| 15 Jun 2007 01:59 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 40,050 OFFLINE | Grr I was right this does have a lot to do with perception. It is light and light is all about perception. Damnit if only I could understand this god damn theory. ---
 
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| 15 Jun 2007 01:59 pm |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Gunslang wrote:
I think they just called it dark matter because its so hard to detect, not because its there when its dark
Dark mater doesn’t emit or reflect light.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:00 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | As energy travels, it loses energy. That massive distance traveled leads to the dissipation of light energy. ---
 
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:00 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Grr I was right this does have a lot to do with perception. It is light and light is all about perception. Damnit if only I could understand this god damn theory.
Haha, perception is only part of it. Think about the stars themselves.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:01 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Gunslang wrote:
I think they just called it dark matter because its so hard to detect, not because its there when its dark
Dark mater doesn’t emit or reflect light.
Right. Some matter in space is so dense it can actually pull in light energy.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:02 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 40,050 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Grr I was right this does have a lot to do with perception. It is light and light is all about perception. Damnit if only I could understand this god damn theory.
Haha, perception is only part of it. Think about the stars themselves.
I know because you said it was based on a theory and I know what theory that is but I don’t understand it. Grr.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:03 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
As energy travels, it loses energy. That massive distance traveled leads to the dissipation of light energy.
I’m not sure if light can dissipate or not, but you can see light from very far. From other galaxies.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:04 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Gunslang wrote:
I think they just called it dark matter because its so hard to detect, not because its there when its dark
Dark mater doesn’t emit or reflect light.
Right. Some matter in space is so dense it can actually pull in light energy.
As far as I know black holes are the only thing that can really do that. I’ve heard theories of gravity distorting light and even time, but I haven’t researched that.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:04 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Grr I was right this does have a lot to do with perception. It is light and light is all about perception. Damnit if only I could understand this god damn theory.
Haha, perception is only part of it. Think about the stars themselves.
I know because you said it was based on a theory and I know what theory that is but I don’t understand it. Grr.
It’s a very popular theory. It’s the only theory we know that can solve the paradox. In fact this paradox is evidence of the theory.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:05 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
As energy travels, it loses energy. That massive distance traveled leads to the dissipation of light energy.
I’m not sure if light can dissipate or not, but you can see light from very far. From other galaxies.
Yes, some of the light makes it through, but not all of it.
We actually learned about this stuff in Science this year.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:06 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
As energy travels, it loses energy. That massive distance traveled leads to the dissipation of light energy.
I’m not sure if light can dissipate or not, but you can see light from very far. From other galaxies.
Yes, some of the light makes it through, but not all of it.
We actually learned about this stuff in Science this year.
If your implying that space dust and other debris is the reason that we don’t see all the stars at night, then your wrong.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:07 pm |
The one and only OP Rep: 27 Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
The stars are far away...
The rest really doesn’t matter.
The speed of light has very little to do with the energy density and broadness of light received at the majority of points of the universe.
They are far away. The farther they are the smaller they become.
But remember that when your looking deep into space, your looking back in time.
That is true but our eyes can only see so far. Not to mention it is space and in space light seems to work differently.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:10 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Online Predator wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
The stars are far away...
The rest really doesn’t matter.
The speed of light has very little to do with the energy density and broadness of light received at the majority of points of the universe.
They are far away. The farther they are the smaller they become.
But remember that when your looking deep into space, your looking back in time.
That is true but our eyes can only see so far. Not to mention it is space and in space light seems to work differently.
And what exactly are you implying?
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:10 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
As energy travels, it loses energy. That massive distance traveled leads to the dissipation of light energy.
I’m not sure if light can dissipate or not, but you can see light from very far. From other galaxies.
Yes, some of the light makes it through, but not all of it.
We actually learned about this stuff in Science this year.
If your implying that space dust and other debris is the reason that we don’t see all the stars at night, then your wrong.
No, that’s not it. I don’t know how to explain it.
As energy travels, it gets weaker so to speak. The greater the distance it travels, the more energy it loses.
There’s also the aspect of relative location. The Sun is brightest to us because it is closest to us. The whole principle of relative magnitude versus absolute magnitude has to do with that too.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:13 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 40,050 OFFLINE | Alright all I’m getting is the paradox that in different places in the universe light doesn’t travel relatively to any one place in the universe. Meaning that in different areas of the universe light travels differently in other areas but only in perception. So you may perceive that from earth that you are seeing fractions of light and that it takes longer to get here but it doesn’t as that would be thinking relative to the Earth.
So the paradox would be that light should move realitvely equal to any point in the universe but it doesn’t because light doesn’t travel relatively to any one place. ---
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:14 pm |
The one and only OP Rep: 27Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9,100 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Online Predator wrote:
The stars are far away...
The rest really doesn’t matter.
The speed of light has very little to do with the energy density and broadness of light received at the majority of points of the universe.
They are far away. The farther they are the smaller they become.
But remember that when your looking deep into space, your looking back in time.
That is true but our eyes can only see so far. Not to mention it is space and in space light seems to work differently.
And what exactly are you implying?
I’ll let you figure it out.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:15 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Here is a hint: Stop thinking about the light, and start thinking about the stars
The biggest factor is relative location and physics.
I know the answer but don’t know how to explain it. We had this damn discussion in Science... why can’t I remember how we worded it?
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:16 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,789 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Alright all I’m getting is the paradox that in different places in the universe light doesn’t travel relatively to any one place in the universe. Meaning that in different areas of the universe light travels differently in other areas but only in perception. So you may perceive that from earth that you are seeing fractions of light and that it takes longer to get here but it doesn’t as that would be thinking relative to the Earth.
So the paradox would be that light should move realitvely equal to any point in the universe but it doesn’t because light doesn’t travel relatively to any one place.
That’s a small part of the explanation, but it doesn’t solve the paradox. Think about other things about stars besides light.
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| 15 Jun 2007 02:16 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 40,050 OFFLINE | Oh know that feeling Maggot Face. Haha if people haven’t figured it out yet it’s all explained in the Theory of Relativity. But hell I don’t understand it. ---
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