Maybe the “dark matter” are actually other universes...maybe every universe is within a universe...and we are within a universe...and if we went up enough universes...elementary particles would seem as big as trucks when compared to us from our tiny universe...and if we went down universe...elementary particles would get smaller...until trucks are the size of hydrogen atoms...
pluto wrote:
interesting theory. i just clicked my fingers and killed a thousand civilizations instantly
Well, i just hope your happy with your big self now eh?
(just dont wash your hands yet, we need to check I.D.s for official reasons and census updates)
*Pluto turns tap off while shouting - “hang on, im washing my hands, i cant hear you with the water running” ”
Hey Totalitus, that’s an idea i’ve never considered before. Hmmmmmm. So in theory, this could really be happening somwhere (but even smaller) ??
pluto wrote:
interesting theory. i just clicked my fingers and killed a thousand civilizations instantly
Well, i just hope your happy with your big self now eh?
(just dont wash your hands yet, we need to check I.D.s for official reasons and census updates)
*Pluto turns tap off while shouting - “hang on, im washing my hands, i cant hear you with the water running” ”
Hey Totalitus, that’s an idea i’ve never considered before. Hmmmmmm. So in theory, this could really be happening somwhere (but even smaller) ??
Xtrm Liability wrote:
Interesting phill, but imagine our universe is like a bubble floating along with billions or trillions of other bubbles/universes in an ultimately bigger space we know nothing of. If that’s the case, big bangs happen all the time.
Hypothetically consider our universe’s big bang was created from 2 other universes colliding. Now think of each universe possesses it’s own particular physics but when mixed together in a collision these two universes made the perfect stable ingredients for molecules to form thus creating our clunks of matter from the big bang.
Consider we get our physical forces from other universes. Think about gravity. Why is gravity weak in comparison to all the other forces? Now that may sound crazy but if you take an ordinary refrigerator magnet and pick up a metal pin with it, well there you go. You have the whole entire mass of the Earth pulling on that pin yet something so small as 1"x1” magnet was able to pick it up with magnetic forces. We see only the tail end of gravity with a more faint signal. However, gravity is an important building blocks of matter in our universe as it’s shaped today.
Perhaps black holes are points where our universe has stuck together with another universe like two soap bubbles connecting. Who knows? What if our universe is as small as an atom is to some other species? Hmmm. Imaginations can run wild with this one.
Since a very young age, I’ve always considered the Universe to be a Being. Ie, 'big bang' = fertilization.
Analogy....I’m a universe, created from a big bang, and that everything within me, cells etc, are like planets, galaxies, species etc etc.
--- Look into my eyes and hate me. Part animal, part machine...remain calm, prepare to destroy. Monochromat.
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Xtrm Liability wrote:
Interesting phill, but imagine our universe is like a bubble floating along with billions or trillions of other bubbles/universes in an ultimately bigger space we know nothing of. If that’s the case, big bangs happen all the time.
Hmmmm. I also have to consider the idea of the 'bubbles'. I’m not sure if there’s any facts to show that they exist or not - i cant remember half of what i learnt around school time. I think of it as just a natural 'edge' to the known space/universe, but there isn’t anything physical there - no reason to assume a membrane or gravitational/energy field is keeping it all where it is. But is that what people mean when they mention universes 'coliding' - it’s actually the 'bubble' edge hitting another?
Hell, wouldn’t THAT be a show worth buying a ticket to go see ?
Xtrm Liability wrote:
Hypothetically consider our universe’s big bang was created from 2 other universes colliding. Now think of each universe possesses it’s own particular physics but when mixed together in a collision these two universes made the perfect stable ingredients for molecules to form thus creating our clunks of matter from the big bang.
An intriguing proposal. I wonder just what these other physics could be though? 17 possible dimensions beyond our human comprehension? Sound that travels faster than light? Gases so dense they are impossible to pass thru? True invisible solid matter even? a McDonalds burger that looks like the foto’s of them in the shop? I suppose anything is possible. If the resulting 'join' happened to recreate another Earth enviroment, i wonder what it would be infested with? Possibly 'us' type things? or 6 billion double-glazing sales-people? (frightening concept). I have often assumed that solid matter is fused from super-hot debris having a high density, therefore a magnetic attraction, and as it passes thru gases, it can either collect particles over a looooong time, or maybe cause an explosion (or maybe implosion) to gather dense matter together. Just a thought.
Xtrm Liability wrote:
Consider we get our physical forces from other universes. Think about gravity. Why is gravity weak in comparison to all the other forces? Now that may sound crazy but if you take an ordinary refrigerator magnet and pick up a metal pin with it, well there you go. You have the whole entire mass of the Earth pulling on that pin yet something so small as 1"x1” magnet was able to pick it up with magnetic forces. We see only the tail end of gravity with a more faint signal. However, gravity is an important building blocks of matter in our universe as it’s shaped today.
hmmm, a lot to consider there. Personally i sudnt say gravity is weaker (just IMO). Its just that its effects seem 'slow'. Our Suns gravity field is so powerful it 'may' be keeping all of our planets in place. To me that seems odd. Cos i’d expect it to just pull smaller planets inward, moons etc. should have been dragged away billions of years ago - what an amazing fine line we have, allowing Earths density to keep the moon in place, while the Sun pulls on us both. Well we havn’t always known how powerful and how far, the Suns radiation and flares can cause an effect, yet now we know it goes way past Pluto!!! (no, not my mate Pluto on here, i mean the sub-planet thing) and even as far as Eris. So with future technology, i wonder if we will see a complete new 'invisible' effect on the planets maybe. I do agree that gravity is an important part, and without its effects, i think the univere(s) would be just empty gas clouds unable to bond.
Xtrm Liability wrote:
Perhaps black holes are points where our universe has stuck together with another universe like two soap bubbles connecting. Who knows? What if our universe is as small as an atom is to some other species? Hmmm. Imaginations can run wild with this one.
Yep, the mind can go all wibbly wobbly with such proposals. I guess thats why progress in many sciences can creep along over many years. Because its like a jigsaw puzzle. We cant just 'make it', we need to slowly attached each piece to what we know is definatly (?) correct at that time, and based on our understanding. From what i know, we are very very lucky here, as a single black hole could just float by at any time, and then its (slowly) bye bye Earth/KFC/Internet and and everything else we have - there will be no escape
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*final thought*
Maybe there are an infinate number of universes, and the small ones did manage to 'merge' rather than colide, till they did end up exploding as bigger ones. But then, is ours actually 'small'?
*gets out a ruler to check with*
Yep, its small, i think. According to the page on Wilkpedia its only about 3.5 inches across, so i think we are small here.
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