Gunslang wrote:
thats because you said 'Rock and Roll'. which isn’t 'Rock'. and everyone else is talking about Metal anyways...
As I stated before,Rock & Roll music has two main lineages.Rhythm and blues (early rock) and Chicago/Delta Blues (modern rock).Modern rock is guitar based and most of the techniques are evolutions of Blues guitar.Chuck Berry layed the foundation for modern Rock guitar.As this video details
As far as Metal/heavy metal goes,it can be described as a more high powered amplified Blues evolution.in fact,Blues legends like Buddy Guy was playing music like that back then but was just considered loud noise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Guy
Guy’s reputation spread to Great Britain with the American Folk Blues Festival in the 1960s, where young rockers like Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, and the Rolling Stones were seeking out the roots of American blues. His first trip to the UK was in February 1965, during which Rod Stewart acted as his valet and Guy shared a bill with the Yardbirds. Guy’s tour exposed his music to a whole new generation of British musicians eager to soak it up. He was surprised to see how influential his music had become to English guitarists.
Guy later recalled:
“Of course, I had a lot more energy than I have now—I was playing the guitar with my feet and throwing it up in the air—crazy stuff! But although I was getting to play overseas, back home I still didn’t have a record. I thought that maybe it was because I played too loud and with too much feedback, then the next thing I know, Clapton and Hendrix are out there using the same tricks and selling millions of albums”.
In addition, Guy’s pathfinding guitar techniques also contributed greatly to rock and roll music. Guy’s guitar playing was loud and aggressive; used pioneering distortion and feedback techniques; employed longer solos; had shifts of volume and texture; and was driven by emotion and impulse. These lessons were eagerly learned and applied by the new wave of 1960s British artists and later became basic attributes of blues-rock music and its offspring, hard rock and heavy metal music. Jeff Beck realized in the early 1960s: “I didn’t know a Strat could sound like that — until I heard Buddy’s tracks on the Blues From Big Bill’s Copa Cabana album” (reissue of 1963 Folk Festival Of The Blues album) and “It was the total manic abandon in Buddy’s solos. They broke all boundaries. I just thought, this is more like it! Also, his solos weren’t restricted to a three-minute pop format; they were long and really developed.”
Metal really more started when Black Sabbath started using darker themes and heavier guitars to separate themselves from all the psychedelic blues bands.
we learned about that in music class two/three years ago and it’s very informative, rap is getting al lthe steriotypes rock had when it first started..it’s a shame really
Haha,I finally got some feedback.That’s all I wanted from yall
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yeah,metal has “darker” themes but the truth is that it’s a more agressive/louder evolution of the blues/psychedelic blues
hey,fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 could you please a video of what you think best represent metal music?
@DestinyGuy678
Ragtime and Jazz music were once seen the same way,The funny thing is that unlike Rock and Rap,ragtime and early Jazz had no lyrics and was still viewed the same way.
As far as Rap music goes,most outsiders don’t know what true hiphop is.They only know of the type you see on TV that was purposely watered down for marketing purposes.A good parallel to this would be how something like Kenny G by mainstream America is considered Jazz (Smooth Jazz)even though it isn’t really Jazz since it lacks swing and improvisation.
I might make a thread to help expose some people on here to the real true essence of Hiphop music.
@Gunslang
when did your grandparents first start listening to rock & roll music?How did they view it in the 50’s?
Well, I have no Idea how to post videos, but true metal really depends on sub genre, personal taste, and acceptance among other fans. But, If your asking what best exemplifies a genre, then here’s a list of bands best exemplifying their respective genres, in order of their appearance on the metal scene
Heavy metal : Black Sabbath, Deep purple, Led Zeppelin. Most people would consider these the first metal bands
Speed metal/ New Wave Of British Heavy Metal : Judas Priest, Venom, Motorhead, Iron maiden, Mercyful fate, Saxon, Tyger of Pan Tang. This is when metal started to develop into the way we know it today. It combined the Speed and agressiveness of punk with the technicality of metal.
Thrash metal: Early Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, Exodus, Testament, Metal Church, Flotsam and Jetsam. This is an extension of the previous genres, It is one of the more technical genres, with lyrics more focusing on social issue than other genres.
Power metal: Manowar, Blind Guardian, Dragonforce, Helloween. Manly a genre exemplifying the old metal sound of bands like Judas Priest, Iron maiden, It occured around the same time as Thrash, It has a more uplifting sound, with lyrical themes for focusing on fantasy inspired lyrics.
Death Metal: Cryptopsy, Deicide, Death, Cannibal, Possessed. A genre with lyrics and guitars darker and more graphic than before, it’s exact origin is debated, however, it can be said that the first death metal album was “Seven Churches” by Possessed. The genre was a rebellion against the theatrics of metal of the day, it wasn’t unheard of to see bands simply perform in tracksuits, or just a leather jacket, jeans, sneakers type apparel.
Black metal: Mayhem, Burzum, Immortal. A rebellion against the anti theatrics of death metal, the musicians often perform dressed in lether pants and jackets, corpse paint
and Boots. Lyrical themes include anti-christianity, darkness, nihilism etc.
And thats about as much as I know. For any other questions, PM Drumintothenight.
I have a question for you and other metal fans.This isn’t my opinion but do people ever tell yall that metal isn’t music but just sounds like a bunch of “noise”?If so,what do you tell them?
Yes, all the time. I tell them to either A. go fuck themselves or B. I inform them of how hard it is to play any instrument for metal or to sing for it. However most people are retarded when it comes to differing views.
hey truth do you think you could do a litle break down on how rock evolved into all of those other genres I need to learn about metal because unforetunately right now I consider it loud noise
also would you consider party like a rockstar a rock song?
DestinyGuy678 wrote:
hey truth do you think you could do a litle break down on how rock evolved into all of those other genres I need to learn about metal because unforetunately right now I consider it loud noise
also would you consider party like a rockstar a rock song?
yeah.although Im no metal expert I know how it came to be.
Also,that song “part like a rockstar” is more like crunk than rock.I said before that crunk music in many ways is like the black version of white “mosh” music.
Maybe now Destinyguy won’t keep posting bullshit stereotypes about rock.
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I have a question for you and other metal fans.This isn’t my opinion but do people ever tell yall that metal isn’t music but just sounds like a bunch of “noise”?If so,what do you tell them?
There’s rarely any point engaging someone like that in an arguement.
However, if they believe that, I normally direct them to Opeth, Ulver or, to a lesser extent, Porcupine Tree, since they feature a mix of Metal and Ambience/Acoustic/Experimental sounds.
The 'Metal is noise' thing is somewhat understandable though. If you jump straight into friggin' Cryptopsy, it’s going to sound like noise to you. There has to be an element of conditioning for someone to get into and appreciate Metal. Alot of the more extreme or technical stuff is hard to appreciate full stop, unless you’re a fairly talented musician.
Plus, anyone who blindly claims Metal to be noise is missing out on some truely astonishing music, some of it beautiful too.
Anyway, what music actually is, is up for debate. There’s plenty of people who wouldn’t count Rap as music, and more again who wouldn’t accept Ambience as music, so it’s obvious that some people will dismiss Metal. To that, I say that Metal (not the mainstream bullshit, mind) contains some of the most technically challenging music ever written. Whether it’s tasteful or not is up to the indiviual.
I have a question for you and other metal fans.This isn’t my opinion but do people ever tell yall that metal isn’t music but just sounds like a bunch of “noise”?If so,what do you tell them?
There’s rarely any point engaging someone like that in an arguement.
However, if they believe that, I normally direct them to Opeth, Ulver or, to a lesser extent, Porcupine Tree, since they feature a mix of Metal and Ambience/Acoustic/Experimental sounds.
The 'Metal is noise' thing is somewhat understandable though. If you jump straight into friggin' Cryptopsy, it’s going to sound like noise to you. There has to be an element of conditioning for someone to get into and appreciate Metal. Alot of the more extreme or technical stuff is hard to appreciate full stop, unless you’re a fairly talented musician.
Plus, anyone who blindly claims Metal to be noise is missing out on some truely astonishing music, some of it beautiful too.
Anyway, what music actually is, is up for debate. There’s plenty of people who wouldn’t count Rap as music, and more again who wouldn’t accept Ambience as music, so it’s obvious that some people will dismiss Metal. To that, I say that Metal (not the mainstream bullshit, mind) contains some of the most technically challenging music ever written. Whether it’s tasteful or not is up to the indiviual.
Yeah,I hear you.Considering Metal music “noise” wasn’t my own view of the music though.I just brought it up to show a similar parallel in how outsiders views of rap and/or metal musical are similar.Also,just to highlight some of the hypocrisy many of the pro metal fans on here display towards hiphop music lol.You’re not one of those one sided/biased types though.
and not me being a steriotype about rap eighter cause I know what it is all about, you know. Rap sounds like o o o and rock like oh ih ah. Okey, guys. The forum is hereby closed and clipped off.
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