#21 09 Jul 2007 11:31 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 22  Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,687 OFFLINE | SA-X has been biased in his moderating but not as much as Weeman who I have noticed has been closing topics just because he doesn’t like them. It’s better to stick with adults. They’re more reliable than kids.
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#22 09 Jul 2007 11:32 pm |
Illysian Moderator Rep: 25 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,853 | So we would have two moderators to replace then...
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#23 09 Jul 2007 11:40 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 22Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,687 OFFLINE | Let SA-X keep his position until he gives it up or does what Weeman did.
Weeman needs an immediate demotion. We don’t need him doing things like that and getting away with it. A ban is not necessary since he is being demoted but the demotion will be his warning.
As for future mods they should only be adults and of course, the adults best suited for the job as we have had at least one adult with bad intentions on here before.
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#24 09 Jul 2007 11:43 pm |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | A demotion is not needed, Weeman is a find moderator. I don’t recall seeing him ever closing a thread simply because he doesn’t like it. It’s always in violation of one or more rules. He doesn’t like the “SO WHO’S ON AT THE MOMENT” thread and he doesn’t like “Enter the cookie jar” however, he didn’t lock them.
I think that this entire situation is being blown way out of proportion. If you demote Totalitus because of his feud with Weasel then you’d have to do the same to me because of my feud with Darkness. As well as Wolfy for his with that guest and SA-X for whoever the hell he fought with. The only mod we’d have left would be Goldenraptor, unless of course somebody wants to show me that he, like the rest of us, has fucked up and flamed somebody.
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#25 09 Jul 2007 11:47 pm |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 22Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,687 OFFLINE | If I remember correctly Weeman said something about rounding some sort of people up. That is much worse than simple flaming.
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#26 09 Jul 2007 11:49 pm |
Illysian Moderator Rep: 25Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 6,853 | Well I was gonna say something but Cid pretty much beat me...
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#27 09 Jul 2007 11:56 pm |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
If I remember correctly Weeman said something about rounding some sort of people up. That is much worse than simple flaming.
No, Weasel took a card Totalitus made and claimed that he wanted all the furry lovers to die because of it. Which as far as I could tell is completely untrue.
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#28 10 Jul 2007 01:44 am |
Ima sexy bitch! Rep: 38 Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,193 | Cid popular to contrary belief, this has partly to do with the weasel/weeman feud cause it did open my eyes.
Weemans behavior was just as bad as Weasels and as a member both he and weasel would have been warned and possibly banned if it continued.
As it stood, ONLY Weasel was warned officially as the other member who is a mod is immune to such punishments or disciplinary actions.
This is not fair as He too deserved a warning for the breach in rules however he escaped it because of his higher mod rank.
This creates a dilemma and makes it unjust, especially when taken in Golden Raptors context of we are members first and mods second. If we are members first, how is it we escape justice and avoid being punished for the rule breaches that we enforce all other to adhere to.
Its not fair. Moderators or not, we should be held accountable for our actions.
This isn’t some personal vendetta against Totalitus, but his actions made me realize that what the members are quite right in the fact that they want justice. We shouldn’t have immunity. We are members just as they are and we should either set a example for them to follow or accept the same punishments that apply to them.
Its only fair.
Totalitus was merely the member that made me realize the situation was unjust.
I think this applies to all mods, not just him.
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#29 10 Jul 2007 02:08 am |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | Well, I agree that thinking that just because we’re mods that we have immunity to rules is bad. In fact I try my best to follow the very rules that I enforce, and generally if I do it then I normally don’t warn/bad for it. A prime example being minor spamming, which is basically just getting off topic in a thread. I do that a lot and as a result I never warn another person for doing so.
Really, the only rule I could honestly see being broken in Weeman and Weasel’s feud was the rule against excessive flaming. And let’s be honest, when have we REALLY enforced that particular rule before? 90% of the time excessive flaming is something that we like to tack onto other, more major, offensives. I don’t condone Totalitus' actions and “immaturity” but I not going to criticize him for if I did I’d be a hypocrite.
As far as us being members first and moderators second, I agree, and I also agree that we should be held accountable for our own actions. HOWEVER I don’t agree that these things need to be handled by forum updates and changes. Like I said, the best way to handle this would be to call a meeting amongst the moderators and have Weeman explain his behavior. While we’re at it we can discuss future punishments for such things.
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#30 10 Jul 2007 02:21 am |
Ima sexy bitch! Rep: 38Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,193 | Cid wrote:
Well, I agree that thinking that just because we’re mods that we have immunity to rules is bad. In fact I try my best to follow the very rules that I enforce, and generally if I do it then I normally don’t warn/bad for it. A prime example being minor spamming, which is basically just getting off topic in a thread. I do that a lot and as a result I never warn another person for doing so.
Really, the only rule I could honestly see being broken in Weeman and Weasel’s feud was the rule against excessive flaming. And let’s be honest, when have we REALLY enforced that particular rule before? 90% of the time excessive flaming is something that we like to tack onto other, more major, offensives. I don’t condone Totalitus' actions and “immaturity” but I not going to criticize him for if I did I’d be a hypocrite.
As far as us being members first and moderators second, I agree, and I also agree that we should be held accountable for our own actions. HOWEVER I don’t agree that these things need to be handled by forum updates and changes. Like I said, the best way to handle this would be to call a meeting amongst the moderators and have Weeman explain his behavior. While we’re at it we can discuss future punishments for such things.
While I agree a meeting would be a good thing, it still doesn’t male us accountable for our actions.
Whos' to say that I (I am using myself as a example to avoid any possible retaliation) couldn’t start posting hate and racism. Maybe I could just start banning people for no reason......what then?
Sure I could make some half assed excuse of how they did something wrong, but still I could and probably would get away with it.
Now I’m not saying I would do such things, but still where does it stop. Immaturity can lead to hate and hate can lead to a ship load of rules being breached and if a mod does it, well thats ok cause we are immune.
Hows a meeting gonna give the members who were wronged justice?
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#31 10 Jul 2007 02:31 am |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | I think that a meeting can be a first step in this. Maybe after that we can consider other, alternate, routes.
The fact of the matter stands that giving each Moderator the ability to ban one another isn’t a good thing. If anything at all, we can set up a strike system for one another.
Every time a Moderator sees another mod do something that they don’t think is right you send a PM to all the other mods detailing what they did, why you think it’s bad, and a link to that given post. Those other mods talk amongst themselves along with you and if we all think that it crossed the line a strike is issued and then the Moderator in question is sent a PM detailing what we discussed and informed of his strike.
Once a certain number of strikes is reached, (maybe 5) A PM is sent to Bjarne detailing all 5 strikes and he can decide what is done.
I think that would solve this entire situation while giving the members more security is knowing that bad decisions will not be tolerated.
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#32 10 Jul 2007 02:31 am |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 22Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,687 OFFLINE | Okay, what exactly was this hate/racist thing?
Cid says it was somebody else pretty much framing Weeman and Firewolf I believe is saying otherwise.
I don’t think either of you would lie.
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#33 10 Jul 2007 02:33 am |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | the21gamer wrote:
Okay, what exactly was this hate/racist thing?
Cid says it was somebody else pretty much framing Weeman and Firewolf I believe is saying otherwise.
I don’t think either of you would lie.
I didn’t say that Weeman was being framed, probably worded badly on my behalf. I’m saying that things were misinterpreted and as a result handled poorly by both Weasel and Weeman.
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#34 10 Jul 2007 02:45 am |
Ima sexy bitch! Rep: 38Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,193 | Cid wrote:
the21gamer wrote:
Okay, what exactly was this hate/racist thing?
Cid says it was somebody else pretty much framing Weeman and Firewolf I believe is saying otherwise.
I don’t think either of you would lie.
I didn’t say that Weeman was being framed, probably worded badly on my behalf. I’m saying that things were misinterpreted and as a result handled poorly by both Weasel and Weeman.
This is true.
Weeman took things too far and he should have acted more diplomatic than he did.
He and weasel were culprits of inmaturity and Excessive flaming that spaned several topics.
Immaturity is not a breach but something that should be worked on by weeman, however the excessive flaming was a breach that they both were warned for, however, due to the mod status, the warning meant nothing officially to weeman.
(note: I am calling Totalitus, weeman, however he did this on his mod 'totalitus' account)
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#35 10 Jul 2007 02:50 am |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 22Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,687 OFFLINE | So we all agree it was a misinterpretation?
So this whole demotion is based on the flaming?
I’m really not so sure on this. If moviecodec members themselves are against Weeman he probably has to go but seeing other mods have flamed, if I have Cid right, then there isn’t much that can be done regarding Weeman and demotion.
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#36 10 Jul 2007 02:56 am |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | It really was just a simple misinterpretation that seemingly was blown WAY out of proportion.
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#37 10 Jul 2007 02:59 am |
Ima sexy bitch! Rep: 38Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,193 | the21gamer wrote:
So we all agree it was a misinterpretation?
So this whole demotion is based on the flaming?
I’m really not so sure on this. If moviecodec members themselves are against Weeman he probably has to go but seeing other mods have flamed, if I have Cid right, then there isn’t much that can be done regarding Weeman and demotion.
Im not asking for a demotion, just wanting a way in which moderators are held accountable for their actions.
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#38 10 Jul 2007 03:00 am |
King of the Gamer Army Rep: 22Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 13,687 OFFLINE | In that case Weeman can’t be demoted. The only way I can see him being demoted is if actually did do what is now revealed as nothing but a misinterpretation or if most of moviecodec is against him but for now there’s nothing on him except for a simple warning.
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#39 10 Jul 2007 03:05 am |
Ima sexy bitch! Rep: 38Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,193 | the21gamer wrote:
In that case Weeman can’t be demoted. The only way I can see him being demoted is if actually did do what is now revealed as nothing but a misinterpretation or if most of moviecodec is against him but for now there’s nothing on him except for a simple warning.
But the warning can’t do anything anyhow.
who’s going to say that a Mod can even be demoted by public opinion?
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#40 10 Jul 2007 03:07 am |
Call me an asshole again Rep: 57Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 41,907 OFFLINE | Wolfy, did you even read the idea of the 5 strikes?
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