Eminem vs. ICP

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Well, my dads actully less concerned about ICP, and more concerned about Venom.

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Venom... so familliar. lol. Oh and you listen to Vader right? I love that song Epitaph.

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“As they lower me down, to that hole in the ground, I scream out for help, but they hear not a sound” Yeah, Ive only heard The Ultimate Incantation, but they are great.

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Yeah good song btw.

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Buried Alive, or Ultimate incantation? cuz Ultimate incantation is Vaders first album.

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Buried Alive, lol. What the hell... Frostwire downloads everything exept songs by Slayer. Fucking gay.

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Yeah, that sucks.Fuck, I cant find any good venom tabs.

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Hmm we are getting off topic... *goes to create a guitar players thread*

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Probably better that way.

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Wrong thread.

Last edited 31 Jul 2007 11:27 pm by fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69

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Eminem definitly owned them.

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Ok first once a Juggalo always a Juggalo. There is no stopping being a Juggalo. If you stop that means you never were one. And the Family is not fake. There is alot of fakes out there who are pretending to be down this I know becuase I have been fucked over by so called Juggalos. But there are Juggalos out there who are true to Family and really know whats it about and live by that. I, myself is one of them and i know alot more who are exactly like me. And as for their music, it’s entertainment just like every others musicians music. ICP and the rest of Psychopathic just get their views and emotions out through their music. Also many of their songs have hidden meanings. You probably know this since you were “a hardcore Juggalo." You probably know the reverse messages that they have and you might know how at the beginning of the Raven’s Mirror off of the Shangri-La cd you hear “Jesus is the 6th." You might also know how Murder-Go-Round has the underlying meaning that what comes around goes around and songs like Piggy Pie and Chickenhunting are also basically talking bout how when you judge people and do hate against others the same will happen to you. Basically most of their songs can be refered back to karma.

Their message about the Carnival is a very strong one and their are thoses who will feel it and follow just like i have and there are those who see it as “juvenille” and just a “joke." You at one point did feel it and all i can do is hope you find your way back but until then live your life how you want and if you want to still hate on ICP then go ahead by all means do it. Like they care because i know true Juggalos wouldnt care. MUCH MOTHERFUCKING WICKED CLOWN LOVE JUGGALOS!!!!! peace

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Hmm I see. Well you are the first Juggalo that has actually given me an answer to what i’ve been looking for. Most “juggalos” just tell me to suck their cock or fuck off. I’m glad we actually have a respectable and mature juggalo around.

The reason I quit, was because my juggalo friends acted juvenille and immature, and the music was juvenile and immature.

I agree that a few of ICP’s songs are pretty good, but only the ones that have a message. I still think the whole “I kill people, I stab people” crap is fake and immature. But I know about the whole Dark Carnival dream that Violent J had.

Anyways peace out motherfucker. Reply if you are still on this site.

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Its more than a dream. I 100% believe in it cause it has showed me signs too. You probably think its bullshit but I really have and i believe it has kept me from killing myself and it wants me to preach its word. I know alot about the carnival probably more than most Juggalos do.

Most of their music have hidden messages. Almost every ICP song have a hidden message. And im not just talkin bout reversed messages or stuff in the background. Im talkin bout the underlyin message. You have to be able to see past the killin and everything.

And as for your homies, yes alot of Juggalos act that but there are those who are like me and are chill as fuck. Dont base your judgement on all Juggalos because of the one a couple Juggalos act. MMFWCL peace ninjas

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Well the reason I don’t like them is not because of the content of them but the fact that there rhymes are so simplistic no multies or metaphors if it wasn’t for the whole clown gimic then nobody would even care compared to any other rapper out there with a deal there rhymes look like crap

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thats where you are wrong. their rhymes are either straight forward or metaphorical. their songs all have hidden meanings, well most of them. for example their song Im Coming Home has alot of references to Jesus Christ

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Deathspartan- “Come on Juggalos show me how artistic and musical your so called “music” really is. Explain to me how Chicken Hunting and Red Neck Hoe are real inspired songs that came straight from the souls of Violent J and 2Dope in such an artistic and musical manner."
You dumb fuck.. u wanna hear music “inspired from their souls” dude ur fuckin retarded listen to Homies, The mom song, what is a juggalo, i could go on 4ever that shit comes from there heart... unlike eminem who talked shit like on every1 in his life except his daughter u call thaat shit inspiring??!!
Ok, and so maybe some liie gamerchick69 was sayin “sometimes I will be out skating and some fat chicks with Insane Clown Posse shirts will be acting all tough and talking shit to me just because i’m skating” you can’t judge 3 fat bitches who wear ICP shirts.. b/c real juggalos aren’t about hate we just don’t care give a fuck if u don’t like us theres a difference

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ok FYI when i left my last post i had onlt read the first page.. newayz i’m gonna finish postin

I just wanna say bein a juggalo isn’t bout ur social staus. Its about whats inside, i don’t consider myself an “outsider” i’m in my senior year of high scholl i’m student council president of the school and i’m active in sports captain on football team, and i get along with every1, and juggaols aren’t about hate and that shit if they are then they ain’t really juggalos

plus i don’t hate eminem but i really don’t care for him just b/c from what i used to listen to all he did was bitch and moan about everything and it just seemed so negative, and no1 can ever say eminem hasn’t had any immature songs. and i listen to all music just not ICP

NEwayz no hate to anyone MMFWCL

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I’m not even talking about hidden meanings I’m talking about wordplay or punchlines and shit like that compare them to any other rapper their lyrics looks like crap

Look here at the lyrics for Renegade by Jay Z and Eminem these are good lyrics right here

[Jay-Z]
Motherfuckers -
say that I’m foolish I only talk about jewels (bling bling)
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
See I’m influenced by the ghetto you ruined
That same dude you gave nothin', I made somethin doin'
what I do through and through and
I give you the news - with a twist it’s just his ghetto point-of-view
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters, and they live with they moms
Got dropped roasters, from botched robberies niggaz crotched over
Mommy’s knocked up cause she wasn’t watched over
Knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
No he’s not around - now how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that fucked up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it?
I help them see they way through it - not you
Can’t step in my pants, can’t walk in my shoes
Bet everything you worth; you lose your tie and your shirt

[Eminem]
Since I’m in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain’t no politician but I’ll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I’ll wear it
But if it don’t, then y’all’ll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who’s these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin' his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there’s a huge interference - they’re sayin you shouldn’t hear it
Maybe it’s hatred I spew, maybe it’s food for the spirit
Maybe it’s beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I’m debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherfuckin drug addict - like you didn’t experiment?
Now now, that’s when you start to stare at who’s in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin' to do but make you look stupid as parents
You fuckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn’t do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don’t
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he’s {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I’m the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it’s just the

[Chorus: Eminem + Jay-Z]
[Em] RENEGADE! Never been afraid to say
what’s on my mind at, any given time of day
Cause I’m a RENEGADE! Never been afraid to talk
about anything (ANYTHING) anything (ANYTHING), RENEGADE!
[Jay] Never been afraid to say
what’s on my mind at, any given time of day
Cause I’m a {RENEGADE} Never been afraid to holler
about anything {anything?} Anything {ANYTHING!}

[Jay-Z]
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin'? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin braver
Doo-rag wrappin my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I’m awkward, I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn’t home
Could not stress to me I wasn’t grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn’t mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin' my fingers to critics; raisin' my head to the sky
BIG I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight

[Eminem]
See I’m a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain’t the case, see it’s a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady’s as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it’s easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I’m wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I’m a motherfuckin spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - motherfuckers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I’m just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I’m a muh’fuckin

[Chorus] - repeat 2X

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their not like other rappers thats the point. if they were they would be playin on the radio right now. they make music how they want and they dont care if ppl think its dope or not. and apparently they must be doin something right if they are probably some of the most succesful rappers today. i mean they got their own label and a sub label, clothing line, wrestling organization, action figures, RPG games, movies, soon to be mini series, internet radio, an annual 3 day long concert w/ many different underground artists, rides, and contests thats goin into its 8th year, and one hella down ass fanbase