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14 Aug 2007 04:34 pm
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pluto wrote:
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pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den

oh, and, just cuz i want to answer this also...

god will forgive you for anything. the 'unforgivable sin' is denying him. that is because if you deny him, your not accepting his forgiveness. not accepting his forgiveness is the only way you can go to hell. he will forgive anything, as long as you let him.


OK so what if you ask for forgiveness after you di.

well he let you into heaven?

well, yes. asking for forgiveness is in essence what becoming a christian is.

wait, was that after you die? sorry, the lack of an 'e' confused me...

no, i don’t think so. once you die, you have pretty much chosen.



err well sherly he made us so its not hower fault if where ignorant.

In my vow if there’s a god he shod still forgive

well, ignorance is different. thats a big issue in the church. what about those who have never heard? i personally think that either they are either let strait into heaven, or are given a choice like you said.


Well I have heard of god and jesus of course I have but I don’t know whether there is any thing there are not.

I believe there is something there I just don’t know what.

If I die and ther is a god and am proved wrong in my believe that god shod come down hear if he is there then of course I well ask for forgiveness coz of my ignorants.

So in that case well I go to heaven are hell?

ok, i think this is something important enough that you need to find what you believe. its not something you want to just let happen. i personally believe that if you know about him, yet you don’t do any research and you never find out the truth and what the religion is all about, then you missed your chance.


You couled be right.

well all I know is that am a decent person and life is a journey and at the end I hope I have gone the right way for me.

That may are may not involved religion. But right know I well remain to have an open mined

well, living a good life doesn’t have much to do with it. one sin is enough. thats why we NEED Gods forgiveness..

at least, thats what i believe.

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14 Aug 2007 04:37 pm
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kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den

oh, and, just cuz i want to answer this also...

god will forgive you for anything. the 'unforgivable sin' is denying him. that is because if you deny him, your not accepting his forgiveness. not accepting his forgiveness is the only way you can go to hell. he will forgive anything, as long as you let him.


OK so what if you ask for forgiveness after you di.

well he let you into heaven?

well, yes. asking for forgiveness is in essence what becoming a christian is.

wait, was that after you die? sorry, the lack of an 'e' confused me...

no, i don’t think so. once you die, you have pretty much chosen.



err well sherly he made us so its not hower fault if where ignorant.

In my vow if there’s a god he shod still forgive

well, ignorance is different. thats a big issue in the church. what about those who have never heard? i personally think that either they are either let strait into heaven, or are given a choice like you said.


Well I have heard of god and jesus of course I have but I don’t know whether there is any thing there are not.

I believe there is something there I just don’t know what.

If I die and ther is a god and am proved wrong in my believe that god shod come down hear if he is there then of course I well ask for forgiveness coz of my ignorants.

So in that case well I go to heaven are hell?

ok, i think this is something important enough that you need to find what you believe. its not something you want to just let happen. i personally believe that if you know about him, yet you don’t do any research and you never find out the truth and what the religion is all about, then you missed your chance.


You couled be right.

well all I know is that am a decent person and life is a journey and at the end I hope I have gone the right way for me.

That may are may not involved religion. But right know I well remain to have an open mined

well, living a good life doesn’t have much to do with it. one sin is enough. thats why we NEED Gods forgiveness..

at least, thats what i believe.


ye I know all about that. well not all but I do understand some of it.

But any way am sleepy and Its all been very interesting but I need to go to my bed

later dude

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14 Aug 2007 04:38 pm
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pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote:
kev360 wrote:
pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den

oh, and, just cuz i want to answer this also...

god will forgive you for anything. the 'unforgivable sin' is denying him. that is because if you deny him, your not accepting his forgiveness. not accepting his forgiveness is the only way you can go to hell. he will forgive anything, as long as you let him.


OK so what if you ask for forgiveness after you di.

well he let you into heaven?

well, yes. asking for forgiveness is in essence what becoming a christian is.

wait, was that after you die? sorry, the lack of an 'e' confused me...

no, i don’t think so. once you die, you have pretty much chosen.



err well sherly he made us so its not hower fault if where ignorant.

In my vow if there’s a god he shod still forgive

well, ignorance is different. thats a big issue in the church. what about those who have never heard? i personally think that either they are either let strait into heaven, or are given a choice like you said.


Well I have heard of god and jesus of course I have but I don’t know whether there is any thing there are not.

I believe there is something there I just don’t know what.

If I die and ther is a god and am proved wrong in my believe that god shod come down hear if he is there then of course I well ask for forgiveness coz of my ignorants.

So in that case well I go to heaven are hell?

ok, i think this is something important enough that you need to find what you believe. its not something you want to just let happen. i personally believe that if you know about him, yet you don’t do any research and you never find out the truth and what the religion is all about, then you missed your chance.


You couled be right.

well all I know is that am a decent person and life is a journey and at the end I hope I have gone the right way for me.

That may are may not involved religion. But right know I well remain to have an open mined

well, living a good life doesn’t have much to do with it. one sin is enough. thats why we NEED Gods forgiveness..

at least, thats what i believe.


ye I know all about that. well not all but I do understand some of it.

But any way am sleepy and Its all been very interesting but I need to go to my bed

later dude

k, ttyl.

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14 Aug 2007 04:45 pm
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derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
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fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
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pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den
It says in the same passage that God gives everybody the freedom of choice, to choose weather or not they wish to accept his gift of forgiveness. And what you are talking about is the catholic church’s version of an “unforgiveable” sin, which is pure BS and isn’t in the bible at all. It’s just an invention by the pope.

Yeah, catholics are probably the biggest pricks of all christians. Except most fundamentalists arent catholic.
That’s because the catholic church took the bible, tossed it aside, created there own doctrines and follow those instead. I mean saint worship? Putting the Virgin Mary in a diety like possition? Serving Penace? Going to weekly confessional? None of that is in the bible, it’s just the whim of the pope.

All started around the middle ages buddy. But I dont think I ever worshipped a saint when I was catholic. I exalted them, but no worship.
Praying to the saints is the same thing as worshiping them. In fact it goes against one of the commandments, “have no other god’s before me”. They make the saints into dieties putting them on level with God.

I never prayed to a saint. But, Ive always viewed the bible with a level of skepticism. Christianity to me is split into two division.

Corrupt catholics, and Fundamentalist protestants.
You might not of, but it is a common practice in the catholic church. And I would be way closer to the fundamentalist protestant side.

To be honest, the fundamentalists piss me of more.
Is it because they actually use the bible when trying to prove things? I’d much rather debate with a fundamentalist if I didn’t believe the bible than a catholic because most catholics only believe in the traditions they have been raised in while the fundamentalists are taught to study the bible and find out the truth on there own.

Fundamentalists have no sense of humor. None. Example:In the early 8o’s, a lot of those types burned copies of iron maidens “Number of the beast”. Alright, the title track is about a bad dream, not satan worship. Catholics, you occasionally get someone who actually gets that so called “satanic songs” are done with camp. Mind you, I usually have no idea what the fuck Im talking about.

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fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den
It says in the same passage that God gives everybody the freedom of choice, to choose weather or not they wish to accept his gift of forgiveness. And what you are talking about is the catholic church’s version of an “unforgiveable” sin, which is pure BS and isn’t in the bible at all. It’s just an invention by the pope.

Yeah, catholics are probably the biggest pricks of all christians. Except most fundamentalists arent catholic.
That’s because the catholic church took the bible, tossed it aside, created there own doctrines and follow those instead. I mean saint worship? Putting the Virgin Mary in a diety like possition? Serving Penace? Going to weekly confessional? None of that is in the bible, it’s just the whim of the pope.

All started around the middle ages buddy. But I dont think I ever worshipped a saint when I was catholic. I exalted them, but no worship.
Praying to the saints is the same thing as worshiping them. In fact it goes against one of the commandments, “have no other god’s before me”. They make the saints into dieties putting them on level with God.

I never prayed to a saint. But, Ive always viewed the bible with a level of skepticism. Christianity to me is split into two division.

Corrupt catholics, and Fundamentalist protestants.
You might not of, but it is a common practice in the catholic church. And I would be way closer to the fundamentalist protestant side.

To be honest, the fundamentalists piss me of more.
Is it because they actually use the bible when trying to prove things? I’d much rather debate with a fundamentalist if I didn’t believe the bible than a catholic because most catholics only believe in the traditions they have been raised in while the fundamentalists are taught to study the bible and find out the truth on there own.

Fundamentalists have no sense of humor. None. Example:In the early 8o’s, a lot of those types burned copies of iron maidens “Number of the beast”. Alright, the title track is about a bad dream, not satan worship. Catholics, you occasionally get someone who actually gets that so called “satanic songs” are done with camp. Mind you, I usually have no idea what the fuck Im talking about.
Okay, answer me this, me and kev are both fundamentalists, do we piss you off with our beliefs? I listen to Disturbed and Marilyn Manson and curse frequently and loudly.

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derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den
It says in the same passage that God gives everybody the freedom of choice, to choose weather or not they wish to accept his gift of forgiveness. And what you are talking about is the catholic church’s version of an “unforgiveable” sin, which is pure BS and isn’t in the bible at all. It’s just an invention by the pope.

Yeah, catholics are probably the biggest pricks of all christians. Except most fundamentalists arent catholic.
That’s because the catholic church took the bible, tossed it aside, created there own doctrines and follow those instead. I mean saint worship? Putting the Virgin Mary in a diety like possition? Serving Penace? Going to weekly confessional? None of that is in the bible, it’s just the whim of the pope.

All started around the middle ages buddy. But I dont think I ever worshipped a saint when I was catholic. I exalted them, but no worship.
Praying to the saints is the same thing as worshiping them. In fact it goes against one of the commandments, “have no other god’s before me”. They make the saints into dieties putting them on level with God.

I never prayed to a saint. But, Ive always viewed the bible with a level of skepticism. Christianity to me is split into two division.

Corrupt catholics, and Fundamentalist protestants.
You might not of, but it is a common practice in the catholic church. And I would be way closer to the fundamentalist protestant side.

To be honest, the fundamentalists piss me of more.
Is it because they actually use the bible when trying to prove things? I’d much rather debate with a fundamentalist if I didn’t believe the bible than a catholic because most catholics only believe in the traditions they have been raised in while the fundamentalists are taught to study the bible and find out the truth on there own.

Fundamentalists have no sense of humor. None. Example:In the early 8o’s, a lot of those types burned copies of iron maidens “Number of the beast”. Alright, the title track is about a bad dream, not satan worship. Catholics, you occasionally get someone who actually gets that so called “satanic songs” are done with camp. Mind you, I usually have no idea what the fuck Im talking about.
Okay, answer me this, me and kev are both fundamentalists, do we piss you off with our beliefs? I listen to Disturbed and Marilyn Manson and curse frequently and loudly.

ya, i’m listening to soad right now. f’ing crazy band..

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derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den
It says in the same passage that God gives everybody the freedom of choice, to choose weather or not they wish to accept his gift of forgiveness. And what you are talking about is the catholic church’s version of an “unforgiveable” sin, which is pure BS and isn’t in the bible at all. It’s just an invention by the pope.

Yeah, catholics are probably the biggest pricks of all christians. Except most fundamentalists arent catholic.
That’s because the catholic church took the bible, tossed it aside, created there own doctrines and follow those instead. I mean saint worship? Putting the Virgin Mary in a diety like possition? Serving Penace? Going to weekly confessional? None of that is in the bible, it’s just the whim of the pope.

All started around the middle ages buddy. But I dont think I ever worshipped a saint when I was catholic. I exalted them, but no worship.
Praying to the saints is the same thing as worshiping them. In fact it goes against one of the commandments, “have no other god’s before me”. They make the saints into dieties putting them on level with God.

I never prayed to a saint. But, Ive always viewed the bible with a level of skepticism. Christianity to me is split into two division.

Corrupt catholics, and Fundamentalist protestants.
You might not of, but it is a common practice in the catholic church. And I would be way closer to the fundamentalist protestant side.

To be honest, the fundamentalists piss me of more.
Is it because they actually use the bible when trying to prove things? I’d much rather debate with a fundamentalist if I didn’t believe the bible than a catholic because most catholics only believe in the traditions they have been raised in while the fundamentalists are taught to study the bible and find out the truth on there own.

Fundamentalists have no sense of humor. None. Example:In the early 8o’s, a lot of those types burned copies of iron maidens “Number of the beast”. Alright, the title track is about a bad dream, not satan worship. Catholics, you occasionally get someone who actually gets that so called “satanic songs” are done with camp. Mind you, I usually have no idea what the fuck Im talking about.
Okay, answer me this, me and kev are both fundamentalists, do we piss you off with our beliefs? I listen to Disturbed and Marilyn Manson and curse frequently and loudly.

well, I wouldnt call either of you fundamentalists. But no, you dont piss me off. The bands you and kev put do. But honestly, Im talking about the uptight, old bitches who believe that the slightest trace of nonconformity equals satanism, drug us, etc.....

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fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
pluto wrote: God well forgive all but yet you well burn in hell forever for committing adultery errrr wot dat shit all about den
It says in the same passage that God gives everybody the freedom of choice, to choose weather or not they wish to accept his gift of forgiveness. And what you are talking about is the catholic church’s version of an “unforgiveable” sin, which is pure BS and isn’t in the bible at all. It’s just an invention by the pope.

Yeah, catholics are probably the biggest pricks of all christians. Except most fundamentalists arent catholic.
That’s because the catholic church took the bible, tossed it aside, created there own doctrines and follow those instead. I mean saint worship? Putting the Virgin Mary in a diety like possition? Serving Penace? Going to weekly confessional? None of that is in the bible, it’s just the whim of the pope.

All started around the middle ages buddy. But I dont think I ever worshipped a saint when I was catholic. I exalted them, but no worship.
Praying to the saints is the same thing as worshiping them. In fact it goes against one of the commandments, “have no other god’s before me”. They make the saints into dieties putting them on level with God.

I never prayed to a saint. But, Ive always viewed the bible with a level of skepticism. Christianity to me is split into two division.

Corrupt catholics, and Fundamentalist protestants.
You might not of, but it is a common practice in the catholic church. And I would be way closer to the fundamentalist protestant side.

To be honest, the fundamentalists piss me of more.
Is it because they actually use the bible when trying to prove things? I’d much rather debate with a fundamentalist if I didn’t believe the bible than a catholic because most catholics only believe in the traditions they have been raised in while the fundamentalists are taught to study the bible and find out the truth on there own.

Fundamentalists have no sense of humor. None. Example:In the early 8o’s, a lot of those types burned copies of iron maidens “Number of the beast”. Alright, the title track is about a bad dream, not satan worship. Catholics, you occasionally get someone who actually gets that so called “satanic songs” are done with camp. Mind you, I usually have no idea what the fuck Im talking about.
Okay, answer me this, me and kev are both fundamentalists, do we piss you off with our beliefs? I listen to Disturbed and Marilyn Manson and curse frequently and loudly.

well, I wouldnt call either of you fundamentalists. But no, you dont piss me off. The bands you and kev put do. But honestly, Im talking about the uptight, old bitches who believe that the slightest trace of nonconformity equals satanism, drug us, etc.....
They would be exactly what you called them, uptight old bitches. And religions isn’t the only thing that has these people. Have you ever been to a retirement home? Everybody there is talking about the “youth being waisted on the young” complaining about how we all make too much noise and calling everybody under the age of 40 a good for nothing useless lump.

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Hey, Im not disagreeing with that. But, its not christians I have a problem with, mind you. Its the far right, maniacal idiots who think they know whats best for everyone I have a problem with.

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I feel loved.

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Great.

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Wonderful.

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Amazing.

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