| 23 Aug 2007 02:27 pm |
MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 55  Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,345 OFFLINE | this kid acts like the great van alderwish. i wonder if he was one of this kids many alias’s
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 | | 23 Aug 2007 02:29 pm |
Es Milu Tevi Engelis Rep: 43 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,125 | That’s being if Stop worked in a way as paralysis, but I don’t exactly know if it works on a physical or chrono scale.
Since Sephiroth has control of basically all materia (meaning he has the most of if not all of materias abilities) he could simply cast Barrier or move out of the way of most Ki blasts. There are also the other numerous spells that he could use as offensives.
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MvC's Vampiric Sovereign Rep: 55Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 16,345 OFFLINE | im preaty sure it works on a chrono scale
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 02:41 pm |
Es Milu Tevi Engelis Rep: 43Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,125 | Skull_Kid wrote:
im preaty sure it works on a chrono scale
I’ll have to get a verification from Cid if spellcasting or other such moves are usable when Stop has been cast on that player, or if it simply prevents that person from moving.
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 04:16 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9 Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,665 OFFLINE | Cid, his regenerationg is NOT superior to that of Buu, Goku’s SSJ3 kamehameha (capable of blowing hundreds of galaxies in a single wave) desintegrated Buu to a point of vaporizing him, that was nothing for Buu as he regenared instantly.
a few questions:
Does Seph have super-hearing or anything that may give Vegeta some toruble when fightitng?
Can Seph survivve in space?
Can he exceed light speed, has he ever seen to do this? Many can’t due to the fact they they desintegrate while doing this, I don’t see how Sephiroth would be able to exceed it and have to regenerate everytime he does it, especially when he kleeps ripping himself apart if he flies.
You mentoned that Sephiroth would come back after 1 day, well, doesn’t that tell you he’d loose? Vegeta would just LOVE to blow him into pieces eevrytime he needed to. Also, how is it its just one day in this case, and not 5 years?
And finally, can Seph survive in space? < — I think not..?
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Scorned Guest | Me neither being a Solider is different than being a warrior, warriors live to fight its there life as such for them loseing isnt an option and Vegeta was born to fight Saiyans are natural born weapons Sephiroth is more like the great survivor and isnt built for combat Vegeta has him on most aspects of this battle.
i think its pretty obviouse Sephiroth could not hope to fight Vegeta in combat with his superior strenth and speed and live, or survive his awsome energy output, so he can come back but just like Cloud vs Sephiroth he remains defeated in battle all the same (plus Vegeta would be way stronger by then).
P.S think about it Cell could have wiped the solar system out with his Kamehameha and still had energy to spare Vegeta could quight easily wipe out the planet and Seph would have nowere to come back from.
| | | 23 Aug 2007 04:37 pm |
Es Milu Tevi Engelis Rep: 43Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,125 | Pete da Beast wrote:
Cid, his regenerationg is NOT superior to that of Buu, Goku’s SSJ3 kamehameha (capable of blowing hundreds of galaxies in a single wave) desintegrated Buu to a point of vaporizing him, that was nothing for Buu as he regenared instantly.
a few questions:
Does Seph have super-hearing or anything that may give Vegeta some toruble when fightitng?
Can Seph survivve in space?
Can he exceed light speed, has he ever seen to do this? Many can’t due to the fact they they desintegrate while doing this, I don’t see how Sephiroth would be able to exceed it and have to regenerate everytime he does it, especially when he kleeps ripping himself apart if he flies.
You mentoned that Sephiroth would come back after 1 day, well, doesn’t that tell you he’d loose? Vegeta would just LOVE to blow him into pieces eevrytime he needed to. Also, how is it its just one day in this case, and not 5 years?
And finally, can Seph survive in space? < — I think not..?
Sephiroths senses are heightened greatly yes.
I see no plausible reason why he cannot survive in space, since Jenova did.
There is no seen record of him being able to travel faster than light, but his healing capabilities and Haste spells would allow him to travel at great speeds and he can also slow Vegeta down to below the speed of light. Again speed is really not so much of a factor in this fight as Sephiroth can alter both his own speed and that of Vegeta with spells.
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 04:42 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,665 OFFLINE | And Vegeta would stay and take the spell, why?
I doubt Sephiroth’s spell could make him faster than light, say it did, how about 2.5 thousand tmies the speed of light...?
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 04:46 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 81 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,385 OFFLINE | Tyreaus wrote:
Skull_Kid wrote:
im preaty sure it works on a chrono scale
I’ll have to get a verification from Cid if spellcasting or other such moves are usable when Stop has been cast on that player, or if it simply prevents that person from moving.
Stop as it implies, stops time itself for the person who it’s used on. Paralysis and Stop are too completely different things, proven by the fact that both status effects are in the FF7 world. So basically, yes Stop would cease even the target’s brain functions. Think of it as more of a cryogenesis state.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Cid, his regenerationg is NOT superior to that of Buu, Goku’s SSJ3 kamehameha (capable of blowing hundreds of galaxies in a single wave) desintegrated Buu to a point of vaporizing him, that was nothing for Buu as he regenared instantly.
I beg to differ my good man. Buu was stopped, he was killed to be reincarnated as Uub. Sephiroth has yet to be finished. Even in Advent Children he vowed to not become another memory which means he’ll return again and again until his will in destroyed, which at this point seems impossible since nobody in the FF7 world is strong enough to defeat him. But his ability to regenerate far exceeds Buu. As I said, Buu was killed and he couldn’t regenerate. Sephiroth has lost his entire body 3 times and has came back twice so far.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Does Seph have super-hearing or anything that may give Vegeta some toruble when fightitng?
Super strength, super speed, super hearing, super stamina, pretty much every physical part about his is receiving a huge boost from the Jenova Cells and the Mako showers. Not to mention that he’s been exposed directly to the lifestream.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Can Seph survivve in space?
Yes he can, he clearly states in Advent Children that he wishes to destroy the planet and use it as a ship to travel to another world. He also planned on destroying the planet in FF7, after which he planned to absorb the planet’s energy and become a God. If Vegeta destroyed the planet he beats himself because Seph will gain unimaginable power.
Pete da Beast wrote:
Can he exceed light speed, has he ever seen to do this? Many can’t due to the fact they they desintegrate while doing this, I don’t see how Sephiroth would be able to exceed it and have to regenerate everytime he does it, especially when he kleeps ripping himself apart if he flies.
If he uses haste on himself everything speeds up, because like Slow it’s a time magic, speeding up the time around the caster. His body would more then be able to compensate for the intense speeds because his mind, blood, healing capabilities, everything is sped up.
Pete da Beast wrote:
You mentoned that Sephiroth would come back after 1 day, well, doesn’t that tell you he’d loose? Vegeta would just LOVE to blow him into pieces eevrytime he needed to. Also, how is it its just one day in this case, and not 5 years?
Eh... I get the feeling you’re not reading everything I post dude... I said that he merged with Jenova at the end of FF7. That greatly increased his abilities, so much so that he was able to create three bodies from nothing within 2 years time. But those bodies were created before Advent Children because they had been searching for Jenova long before then. So I guessed that it took about 4 months to fully create a body at that time. But since then he’s gained even more power, such as the ability to control the lifestream, which pretty much gives him control over life itself. In all honesty I said a day to make it fair. With the ability to control the lifestream he could probably regenerate almost instantly because all life is born of the lifestream. The lifestream was what created the first humans on Gaia.
As for him loosing after Vegeta blows him up, I won’t answer that yet because I don’t want to whip all the big guns unless I have to, which by the way it’s looking, I probably won’t any time soon. Just saying. 
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 81Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,385 OFFLINE | Pete da Beast wrote:
And Vegeta would stay and take the spell, why?
I doubt Sephiroth’s spell could make him faster than light, say it did, how about 2.5 thousand tmies the speed of light...?
Magic is casted instantly when the user uses it. All he’d need to do is cast haste on himself about 20 times and he’d be fast enough to put Vegeta under an illusion and cast slow or stop on him.
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Es Milu Tevi Engelis Rep: 43Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,125 | Pete da Beast wrote:
And Vegeta would stay and take the spell, why?
I doubt Sephiroth’s spell could make him faster than light, say it did, how about 2.5 thousand tmies the speed of light...?
It’s not just him being faster, it’s him slowing Vegeta down as well.
Also, Vegeta obviously wouldn’t just stand and take the spell, if he could see it.
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 05:36 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,665 OFFLINE | I actually do want you to release the big guns so that when i cover a point I don’t have to cover a similar one :/
anyways, I still don’t see how Sephiroth can beat vegeta, Vegeta’s strength is far superior, he can sense any life form, he moves at 2.5 times the speed of light, can use his KI to deflect pretty much any type of attack, and here I’ll show you how Buu was desintegrated yet was able to regeneare, in just a few seconds, not days like it would take Sephiroth.
This is an example of what Krillin and Jackie Chung (Master Roshi in disguise) could do in a mere second:
 
 
 
 
Vegeta has taken blows that would comepletely desintegrate a solar system in an instant.
He can reduce and exapnd his attacks to either blow a planet or have this power yet be small.
I seriously don’t see anything that could make Seph win, hell, his hits wouldn’t even hurt Vegeta, his sword wouldn’t be able to cut his skin...
He can sense when an attack is and is’t coming. (this is seen more in the Buu Saga, but as you may know I have no access to anything past the cell saga, the scans I DO have are from the other thread).
Trunk’s sword, a sword derived from a legendary warrior wasn’t able to pierece his skin (the same sword that cut frieza into pieces) Vegeta is hundreds of hundreds times stronger now, you can only imagine how much he can take at this point.
I really dont see how Vegeta could lose -.O
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 05:37 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,665 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
Pete da Beast wrote:
And Vegeta would stay and take the spell, why?
I doubt Sephiroth’s spell could make him faster than light, say it did, how about 2.5 thousand tmies the speed of light...?
Magic is casted instantly when the user uses it. All he’d need to do is cast haste on himself about 20 times and he’d be fast enough to put Vegeta under an illusion and cast slow or stop on him.
So, like Bibidi from the Buu saga? Oh wait, that didnt work, even then Vegeta was still himself...
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 05:40 pm |
Scorned Guest | Its like in FF7 some bosses can risist Magic spells or become immune to it so i see no reason Vegeta who is clearly superior to any FF7 boss and can denys Bobadis mind Control would be effected by an Illushion or a weak Spell he could clearly sence.
Vegeta has used Illusions before like After Image and has always found a way around them in the past such as senceing out the real threat (to eradicate the false image).
Next if Sephiroth moved at 30MPH normal stat then Hasted 20 times to double his speed each time the sum is 31.457.280MPH if Vegeta moves at 2.5 thousand times the speed of light (186,282.397 miles per Second) per hour is 670.616.629.200 that is 21.318 times faster than Sephiroth if he used Haste 20 times according to my records that is absulutely nowere near Vegetas speed.
by the time Sephiroth has cast a spell Vegeta has senced it comeing and reacted at that speed basicaly Sephiroth couldent hope to catch him,
and roughly estimateing Vegetas Strenth (if he is equal to Goku in base form through to SSJ 2 witch he is) he could lift 10 tons base form then train at 450 times gravity go SSJ then SSJ 2 witch would give him round about 11.250.000 tons of preassure behind his punch nuff said.
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Guardian of MvC Rep: 81Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,385 OFFLINE | Just to point one thing out, Bibidi’s magic has nothing on Sephiroth’s. Sephiroth’s magic is the power of the lifestream, which is basically infinite.
And Pete that other post again and you’ll see how your entire last post is pretty much useless.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,665 OFFLINE | Useless? it isn’t useless at all, what you are saying are based on no feats, I’ve been putting scans but I haven’t seen clip vids or anything from you, just words -.O
I realy don’t see how he can hurt Vegeta, his attacks would just bounce off of Vegeta’s skin.
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 05:54 pm |
Es Milu Tevi Engelis Rep: 43Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 9,125 | Scorned wrote:
Next if Sephiroth moved at 30MPH normal stat then Hasted 20 times to double his speed each time the sum is 31.457.280MPH if Vegeta moves at 2.5 thousand times the speed of light (186,282.397 miles per Second) per hour is 670.616.629.200 that is 21.318 times faster than Sephiroth if he used Haste 20 times according to my records that is absulutely nowere near Vegetas speed.
He can continue to cast it, it isn’t limited to 20 times. If not that he can still slow Vegeta down.
Scorned wrote:
by the time Sephiroth has cast a spell Vegeta has senced it comeing and reacted at that speed basicaly Sephiroth couldent hope to catch him,
and roughly estimateing Vegetas Strenth (if he is equal to Goku in base form through to SSJ 2 witch he is) he could lift 10 tons base form then train at 450 times gravity go SSJ then SSJ 2 witch would give him round about 11.250.000 tons of preassure behind his punch nuff said.
Providing Vegeta could sense the spell and accurately discern it was a spell in the first place, which, when it’s a type of magic he hasn’t gone up against before, isn’t likely. That providing if the particular spell is even avoidable.
(I don’t really know what brute punching power has to do with it...)
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| | | 23 Aug 2007 05:54 pm |
Ace of 'Nades Rep: 65 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,547 OFFLINE | Red_Calibur9 wrote:
Vegeta would win. Sephiroth is strong, but not DBZ strong.
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 | | | 23 Aug 2007 06:19 pm |
Scorned Guest | Tyreaus wrote:
Scorned wrote:
Next if Sephiroth moved at 30MPH normal stat then Hasted 20 times to double his speed each time the sum is 31.457.280MPH if Vegeta moves at 2.5 thousand times the speed of light (186,282.397 miles per Second) per hour is 670.616.629.200 that is 21.318 times faster than Sephiroth if he used Haste 20 times according to my records that is absulutely nowere near Vegetas speed.
He can continue to cast it, it isn’t limited to 20 times. If not that he can still slow Vegeta down.
Scorned wrote:
by the time Sephiroth has cast a spell Vegeta has senced it comeing and reacted at that speed basicaly Sephiroth couldent hope to catch him,
and roughly estimateing Vegetas Strenth (if he is equal to Goku in base form through to SSJ 2 witch he is) he could lift 10 tons base form then train at 450 times gravity go SSJ then SSJ 2 witch would give him round about 11.250.000 tons of preassure behind his punch nuff said.
Providing Vegeta could sense the spell and accurately discern it was a spell in the first place, which, when it’s a type of magic he hasn’t gone up against before, isn’t likely. That providing if the particular spell is even avoidable.
(I don’t really know what brute punching power has to do with it...)
1. What im saying is Sephiroth douse not have the MP to achive the same sort of speed Vegeta has and even if he did it would take him a long time to build it up Vegeta could create a massive amount of energy into 1 attack and wipe Seph out before he even reaches a 10th of his full speed.
2. Vegeta could sence an attack made of energy just like the Spirit Bomb as these powers are comperable to Ki and forged in the Life Stream (Spirit Bomb made from all liveing things) and its not like he couldent avoid it with his speed and reflexs like how slow we move to a fly, Vegeta would sence it comeing before eph even fired it.
3. Strenth has alot to do with it, hell in DBZ the stronger always pumbles the weaker and so is the pattrn in most things Vegeta could probably shatter Sephiroths body with 1 blow.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5W1x4wDLsys
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVmKvar3dE&mode=related&search=
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx20oJPgj9Q&NR=1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mmkMDGekEss
Some things on how Vegetas strenth has grown.
| | | 23 Aug 2007 06:29 pm |
Ace of 'Nades Rep: 65Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,547 OFFLINE | Exactly.
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