First I want to say this is experimental. I don’t guarantee results will come out of this. It could be a passing thread that gets spammed to death, and tomorrow it’s back to 'business as usual', but hopefully not, and maybe we can reach some compromises and understanding.
There seems to be a lot of anamosity from users towards mods on moviecodec (particularly in off-topic). I don’t pretend to know everything that goes on in there, so I’d like to hear why people feel the way they do towards certain mods.
Guidelines:
- Saying you don’t like mod X because s/he’s a (insert insult here) is not acceptable. A post like that will most likely be deleted.
- I want to get to the origins of why you don’t like him or her. I want specifics - a specific thing s/he said or did, or a pattern of things.
- You can say you don’t like their personality, but that’s not really what this thread is about.
- I encourage other mods to reply to grievances made against them.
A similar thread was started here but it was really more of a poll. In it you could see different people liked/disliked different mods, but it kind of evolved into a long discussion without any final word or consensus.
I think this is a good idea, it will allow us to get a grasp on what we’re doing right and what we’re doing wrong and give us a chance to better ourselves and improve relations with the members. Good thinking Anonymous.
My only real complaint honestly, is sometimes, the mods will be inside a topic that clearly needs to be locked but they don’t.
Or a topic will be out in broad daylight that needs to be moved (such as the halo topic in the off-topic section) and some of the mods will be on but it is never moved.
Or how the new policy of Firewolfs is going on, if a member is banned and they come in on another account, it needs to be banned too.
But i see Didus, Car Dice, etc all running around.
NEREVAR117 NLI wrote:
My only real complaint honestly, is sometimes, the mods will be inside a topic that clearly needs to be locked but they don’t.
Can you be more specific? Specific topic, and specific reason why it needed to be locked? Which mod(s) were involved?
NEREVAR117 NLI wrote:
Or a topic will be out in broad daylight that needs to be moved (such as the halo topic in the off-topic section) and some of the mods will be on but it is never moved.
You probably notice there’s a LOT of topics on moviecodec, and probably nobody has a grasp on all that goes on. You’re free to use feedback or the reporting feature to grab our attention to such topics.
NEREVAR117 NLI wrote:
Or how the new policy of Firewolfs is going on, if a member is banned and they come in on another account, it needs to be banned too.
I actually think that’s fair. The object of a ban is to say “you’ve broken a rule: time-out”. Returning on a different account and running merrily around defeats that purpose. Granted, the site’s ability to block individuals is limited, but we’re counting more on members being good citizens and abiding by rules made for everyone*.
You’re free to discuss a ban if you think it’s unfair, but I don’t think mods ban because they’re ban-button-happy. Nor do I think the rules of the site are unreasonable (they’re actually very lenient).
If you’re concerned about that not being a written rule, you can bring it up for discussion in another thread and have Bjarne incorporate it into current rules.
* look up social contract theory by Hobbes. His idea is “the state of nature” is we’re all wild and do whatever we want without any regard for others and it’s all chaos. The “social contract” says we “give up” a little of that freedom to do whatever we want, but everyone else also gives up a little bit, so that we can get along and make a working society.
Two topics were made and they were both basically the same. SA-X and I were present in the second topic and neither of us locked it. I didn’t lock it because I was curious as to how it would go.
The First topic was a poll to see how many people liked a member the second topic was created by the member the poll was made for, but he was asking for names. I was curious as to who would say the liked/disliked him so I left it alone.
I am happy with the way the mods are. If there is one thing that I fined annoying but only a litol bit then that would be the topics that keep popping up trying to worn us all the time. Most on hear know the rules and don’t need it in owe faces all the times like the thread thats stickied at the minuet in off topic.
I mean plies - If some one is breaking the rules then by all means bane there ass er what ever just stop with the THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL MEMBERS crap.
I mean how dose that deserves a stickier. P.moor’s thread deserves it a lot moor then that and I think thats doing fine where it is.
Don’t get me wrong I think FW is cool an all and I would even class him as a friend and a good mod. But he needs to lay of the frits all the time. As I say do wot ever to the trouble makers and leave the rest of us alone
The problem lies in the fact the people who constantly break the rules need to be constantly reminded of them. Good members suffer when bad members persist. Rule breakers can ruin the site for the loyal people because we have to keep adding to the rules and have to be stricter.
1. There was a copy of a topic last night that both Cid and SA-X were in, both gave reasons as to not locking it. But the fact is it still should have been locked. Things like this are rare though.
2. The topic will be at the very top, how could the mods miss it? I honestly don’t know. But they do, and even when i report the topics, they still go untouched.
3. I have no problems for any late bannings, but there are members who should be banned but are running free.
Ye but they know the rules just as well as us if not better. can you not see by doing what your doing, (well its moor FW then you) Well your just adding fuel to the fire.
Its like your daring them. I know it makes me feel like being a fucker about things when he keeps doing that
Another things I would have liked to see would be members retro-moderating each other.
Like say A breaks a rule and he’s banned (perhaps for a questionable breach), instead of coming back and forming a whole mob of users against the mod who did the ban, someone say “don’t worry about it - it’s only 24 hours. come play counter-strike with me instead”. Then when the dust settles and everyone has cooled off and A is back from the ban, discuss it in a civilized way in a thread. Like why it’s unfair and what not. The key would be other members preventing escalation instead of contributing to it.
NEREVAR117 wrote:
2. The topic will be at the very top, how could the mods miss it? I honestly don’t know. But they do, and even when i report the topics, they still go untouched.
Mods (and members) check pm’s. Read other categories. Read what’s inside other threads. They’re not on the front page all the time... Be patient! Keep reporting if necessary. Ask why it’s not moved (there may be a reason) when reporting additional times. And just let it go if it’s really trivial. A lot of things on here are not worth getting all upset over.
NEREVAR117 wrote:
2. The topic will be at the very top, how could the mods miss it? I honestly don’t know. But they do, and even when i report the topics, they still go untouched.
Mods (and members) check pm’s. Read other categories. Read what’s inside other threads. They’re not on the front page all the time... Be patient! Keep reporting if necessary. Ask why it’s not moved (there may be a reason) when reporting additional times. And just let it go if it’s really trivial. A lot of things on here are not worth getting all upset over.
I do, and i understand a mod may not see it. And you can only report once.
yea but they only do that when they think the mod is in the wrong. ie If I thought that a friend was baned for even 24 hours for something they did not deserve, of course I would say something. Even a 24 bane in not right if undeserved. But I have not seen that happen. It moor to do with ppl trying to push you mods for fun.
So what am saying is stop the arguing with them and stop making it fun for them and am shere they well stop being as many pricks.
By all means give an explanation of why you have done something but thats it. Don’t get into silly arguments thats going know where. Coz that just runes topics for everyone.
Pluto. the reason I sticked that warning to all members thread is simply to warn the other members of the fact that there is a crackdown if you will on johns accounts.
Rather than get flooded with complaints from members who thought it was a lark to imitate someone who is now exiled from the site for massive and continuous breaches. I already banned Didus for doing such a thing.
I was happy just leaving as a normal topic to warn people, however a member recommend I sticky a warning so that no one gets caught out. Also, another mod raised a point of warning in the original topic about members lending out their account to other members and the borrowing member getting the original members account banned. Since this has been on the increase, I added that to the sticky as well.
I view that topic as a temporary sticky Pluto. A newsletter if you will that addresses a few key issues that are happening at this point in time. Once the issues have rectified themselves and things are back to normal, it will be unstickied and left to its own demise.
Please note also that I have deleted the original topic as it was made redundant by the new stickied one which was re written to be more concise and not filled with spam.
As for the issue of members revolting because of the rules or us standing up to them...I would rather have a few assholes play up and cause trouble than a whole bunch of members getting banned for a lack of knowledge on the current stake of things on the forum. It is always preferable to give the members every opportunity to stay informed and make informed decisions on their behavior.
Finally (sorry, I know this is a bit long) I will never ease off of those that purposefully break the rules for the sake of peace. By doing that, we are essentially saying...we will back down when placed in difficult situation or when things get rough. Tough times call for men and woman of action, not those who bow to the whims of the disruptive and aggressive rule breakers. If they see it as a challenge, let them try. I know who will tire first. Rules are there for a reason and it is the moderators duty to enforce them. Until I am retired from my duties by Bjarne or public vote (accompanied by suitable evidence warranting my resignation) I will continue to do just that.
firewolf81 wrote:
Pluto. the reason I sticked that warning to all members thread is simply to warn the other members of the fact that there is a crackdown if you will on johns accounts.
Rather than get flooded with complaints from members who thought it was a lark to imitate someone who is now exiled from the site for massive and continuous breaches. I already banned Didus for doing such a thing.
I was happy just leaving as a normal topic to warn people, however a member recommend I sticky a warning so that no one gets caught out. Also, another mod raised a point of warning in the original topic about members lending out their account to other members and the borrowing member getting the original members account banned. Since this has been on the increase, I added that to the sticky as well.
I view that topic as a temporary sticky Pluto. A newsletter if you will that addresses a few key issues that are happening at this point in time. Once the issues have rectified themselves and things are back to normal, it will be unstickied and left to its own demise.
Please note also that I have deleted the original topic as it was made redundant by the new stickied one which was re written to be more concise and not filled with spam.
As for the issue of members revolting because of the rules or us standing up to them...I would rather have a few assholes play up and cause trouble than a whole bunch of members getting banned for a lack of knowledge on the current stake of things on the forum. It is always preferable to give the members every opportunity to stay informed and make informed decisions on their behavior.
Finally (sorry, I know this is a bit long) I will never ease off of those that purposefully break the rules for the sake of peace. By doing that, we are essentially saying...we will back down when placed in difficult situation or when things get rough. Tough times call for men and woman of action, not those who bow to the whims of the disruptive and aggressive rule breakers. If they see it as a challenge, let them try. I know who will tire first. Rules are there for a reason and it is the moderators duty to enforce them. Until I am retired from my duties by Bjarne or public vote (accompanied by suitable evidence warranting my resignation) I will continue to do just that.
RuleS Are There To Be Broken
Pushed To Teh LimitS
To See How Far U Can Push Them Before They SnaP
.............
....
JustA Messin With Ya!
Rules Are There To Stop ChAoS N' MayheM From RearinG Their Ugly Head!
*SpotS ChaoS DancinG With MayheM}
!!! DOH !!!
So Much Fur Teh RuleS
LookS T’me They Have Already BrokeN Outta The NuttY FarM
HAY no need to apologias for the long post hah you know I don’t like long posts but I put what I put so I feel its ok to take time out to read what you put.
whilst I agree with most of what you said. I just think that your encouraging them indirectly by keep telling them about the rules and frightening them like you do.
And we have feed back for things like that, But I know you think it well get moor coverage there but still I think its a bit much and they love it when you have to do stuff like that. Its why they do it.
Come on I know you like heated debate but when your arguing back with this ppl your doing it all over the forum and thats what gets in the way.
They well not back down on a thread just to save a thread so its up to you the moor responsible one to leave it be so it doesnt interfere with a topic.
I know you owner do it to show them for what they are and your even funny when you do this but sometimes its not needed to the extent that you do it.
OK they are my grievances all be it very litol ones.
All in all I enjoy visiting this sight and have had some good lghfs hear.
You wonted an opinion and well ther is my 2 cents worth
firewolf81 wrote:
Pluto. the reason I sticked that warning to all members thread is simply to warn the other members of the fact that there is a crackdown if you will on johns accounts.
Rather than get flooded with complaints from members who thought it was a lark to imitate someone who is now exiled from the site for massive and continuous breaches. I already banned Didus for doing such a thing.
I was happy just leaving as a normal topic to warn people, however a member recommend I sticky a warning so that no one gets caught out. Also, another mod raised a point of warning in the original topic about members lending out their account to other members and the borrowing member getting the original members account banned. Since this has been on the increase, I added that to the sticky as well.
I view that topic as a temporary sticky Pluto. A newsletter if you will that addresses a few key issues that are happening at this point in time. Once the issues have rectified themselves and things are back to normal, it will be unstickied and left to its own demise.
Please note also that I have deleted the original topic as it was made redundant by the new stickied one which was re written to be more concise and not filled with spam.
As for the issue of members revolting because of the rules or us standing up to them...I would rather have a few assholes play up and cause trouble than a whole bunch of members getting banned for a lack of knowledge on the current stake of things on the forum. It is always preferable to give the members every opportunity to stay informed and make informed decisions on their behavior.
Finally (sorry, I know this is a bit long) I will never ease off of those that purposefully break the rules for the sake of peace. By doing that, we are essentially saying...we will back down when placed in difficult situation or when things get rough. Tough times call for men and woman of action, not those who bow to the whims of the disruptive and aggressive rule breakers. If they see it as a challenge, let them try. I know who will tire first. Rules are there for a reason and it is the moderators duty to enforce them. Until I am retired from my duties by Bjarne or public vote (accompanied by suitable evidence warranting my resignation) I will continue to do just that.
RuleS Are There To Be Broken
Pushed To Teh LimitS
To See How Far U Can Push Them Before They SnaP
.............
....
JustA Messin With Ya!
Rules Are There To Stop ChAoS N' MayheM From RearinG Their Ugly Head!
*SpotS ChaoS DancinG With MayheM}
!!! DOH !!!
So Much Fur Teh RuleS
LookS T’me They Have Already BrokeN Outta The NuttY FarM
*MooS Like A WolF N' QuackS Like A FisH}
Well!
Maybe
Crows like a Donkey and flys like a Buick.
Dances with my teeth pops out a eye.
Look at the chaos, so tempting to just do it.
Climbs down the basement digs to the sky.
Crazy as me is as crazy as you.
Crazy like bat shit and as mad as a loon.
A loopy Garou and nuts Nazi too.
Come on all you freakshows let us howl at the moon.
NEREVAR117 NLI wrote:
My only real complaint honestly, is sometimes, the mods will be inside a topic that clearly needs to be locked but they don’t.
Or a topic will be out in broad daylight that needs to be moved (such as the halo topic in the off-topic section) and some of the mods will be on but it is never moved.
Or how the new policy of Firewolfs is going on, if a member is banned and they come in on another account, it needs to be banned too.
But i see Didus, Car Dice, etc all running around.
yeah I don’t get why all my accounts aren’t bant yet but oh well i’m not going to complain
*runs around*
--- I’ve been banned 69 times over all my accounts.
I’ve been perma banned 36 times over all of my accounts.
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