| 02 Sep 2007 05:58 pm |
Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 128 OFFLINE | Morphine, you’re retarded 60 years ago 6+ million people died due to Religion...Religion is possibly the worst invention ever.
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 | | 02 Sep 2007 06:00 pm |
Regular Rep: 1  Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 251 OFFLINE | I didn’t say that people didn’t die because of religion..
I KNOW THEY DO.
Damn. Read my fucking post.
All I said was that Religion isn’t the only reason there is fighting in the middle east.
Oil and Money are big reasons, too.
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 | | | 02 Sep 2007 06:03 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 128 OFFLINE | And I didn’t say that religion was the cause of the war in iraq, I just stated that religion was the cause of the most horrific war in history.
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Invade Southern Ireland, it just looks out of place. | | | 02 Sep 2007 06:08 pm |
Regular Rep: 1Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 251 OFFLINE | Patriotic British Maniac wrote:
And I didn’t say that religion was the cause of the war in iraq, I just stated that religion was the cause of the most horrific war in history.
For what reason?
The way you said it, calling me retarded and such..
You made it seem like I was going against that.
Which I’m not. =/
So you either misunderstood..
Or just wanted to throw in some insults.
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| | | 02 Sep 2007 06:10 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 128 OFFLINE | I think it was a mixture of the two, I just didn’t agree with your view on Religion being a good thing when it has taken so many lives.
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Invade Southern Ireland, it just looks out of place. | | | 02 Sep 2007 06:23 pm |
Regular Rep: 1Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 251 OFFLINE | Patriotic British Maniac wrote:
I think it was a mixture of the two, I just didn’t agree with your view on Religion being a good thing when it has taken so many lives.
It’s not that it’s a good thing.
I’m not really religious, except in a cult.
I only worship something I created.
I don’t believe religion is real.
I think everyone who believes someones up there, watching over us and waiting to welcome us into some sort of perfect world is completely ludacris.
But I do respect them, just like I respect everyone else.
Religion keeps the world going.
People are willing to die for their lord, why mourn them? They are going to a better place, right?
Whether you believe in God, or not, there still needs to be a sense of Balance.
If people need to believe in God to keep going in life, than let them.
Some people live a horrid life, something none of us can even imagine. They turn to religion to help them through the hard times. Religion has killed many, but it has saved many, aswell.
Some people devote their life to religion, and making the world better. Alot of churches fund events that help people in need. Such as giveaways and sometimes even operations for those who have no medical insurance. They give away food to those who are hungry, clothes to those who are cold, and shelter for those who have no where else to go.
I don’t agree with religious wars or sacrifices, but when a person is helping out another, because they believe it will get them to a better place, I’m not going to argue with it.
You may sit here thinking they’re stupid and pointless beings.. but you wouldn’t be thinking that if you just lost your job, house and family, and need someone to turn to. Are the scientists going to let you stay with them, feed you, clothe you and help you get a new job, while they help you through any sort of emotional trouble? I doubt it.
Now with all this said, I have to say that my mother is a scientist, and I work at a museum of natural history.
I know scientists opinion on this.. and I even know Christian Scientists..
There are exceptions everywhere.
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| | | 02 Sep 2007 06:29 pm |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 128 OFFLINE | I agree yes, churches and such do help people, and that’s great if it helps you get through things, but it isn’t a equal balance, a good deed in a community doesnt compare to the scale of impact of say 9/11.
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Invade Southern Ireland, it just looks out of place. | | | 02 Sep 2007 06:43 pm |
just passing by Guest | Patriotic British Maniac wrote:
just passing by wrote:
If we take the premise that religion is imagined and that there is no god(s), we could suppose it was invented to create order in human societies. The natural tendency is for us to do anything that benefits us, without any regards for others (that includes stealing, killing, etc.). Now say someone invents a god that punishes bad-doers (barbarians) after death and damns them eternally, you might convince them to behave more liked civilized people. The trick might actually have worked for a couple of millenia (especially during the middle ages).
The trouble is science came around and not everything taught in religion is holding up. Maybe science can someday prove or disprove religion altogether. However, I think since the heydays of “if you’re bad you’re going to hell”, man has evolved quite a bit intellectually. That’s why I believe we should seek ethics/morality through secular means. I think it’s possible.
Any thoughts?
hmm, you had some good points, but religion doesn’t exactly keep order in a community, especially nowadays with more and more people turning to atheism. (which i support)
My point was that it may have been one of its original intents (if it was invented by man). And yes, with enough education and intelligence I do believe you can be ethical and moral even without religion (atheist). That’s what I meant by secular ethics.
| | | 02 Sep 2007 06:45 pm |
just passing by Guest | Morphine wrote:
just passing by wrote:
If we take the premise that religion is imagined and that there is no god(s), we could suppose it was invented to create order in human societies. The natural tendency is for us to do anything that benefits us, without any regards for others (that includes stealing, killing, etc.). Now say someone invents a god that punishes bad-doers (barbarians) after death and damns them eternally, you might convince them to behave more liked civilized people. The trick might actually have worked for a couple of millenia (especially during the middle ages).
The trouble is science came around and not everything taught in religion is holding up. Maybe science can someday prove or disprove religion altogether. However, I think since the heydays of “if you’re bad you’re going to hell”, man has evolved quite a bit intellectually. That’s why I believe we should seek ethics/morality through secular means. I think it’s possible.
Any thoughts?
Haha.
There’s another reason why people need religion.
Are you suggesting man will never reach a sufficient level of intelligence so as not to need divine rules to guide his conduct?
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Regular Rep: 1Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 251 OFFLINE | Patriotic British Maniac wrote:
I agree yes, churches and such do help people, and that’s great if it helps you get through things, but it isn’t a equal balance, a good deed in a community doesnt compare to the scale of impact of say 9/11.
You can’t blame everyone religious for the mistakes of a few retarded ones.
Every group has there bad seeds.
There’s always going to be people who think they have to kill to go to Heaven.
There’s also Billions of others who act as if they are saints, just to go.
I know religion has had it’s bad times..
It always will..
There will be millions of others who will die in the name of God.
We can’t change that.
There will also be millions that die because of greed, ignorance, hatred and money..
We can’t change that either.
Whether you like it or not, there will always be religion. There will always be war. There will always be hate.
If all our troops didn’t die in a war of religion, they would be dead because of something else, such as money.
Almost all of the people who died in war for religion, knew they were going to. They didn’t care. They loved God and would want to die that way over any other. Defending who they love. If there was no religion, they would have died over the greed of our leaders.. Something I’m sure they wouldn’t have wanted to leave their families for.
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| | | 02 Sep 2007 07:04 pm |
Regular Rep: 1Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 251 OFFLINE | just passing by wrote:
Morphine wrote:
just passing by wrote:
If we take the premise that religion is imagined and that there is no god(s), we could suppose it was invented to create order in human societies. The natural tendency is for us to do anything that benefits us, without any regards for others (that includes stealing, killing, etc.). Now say someone invents a god that punishes bad-doers (barbarians) after death and damns them eternally, you might convince them to behave more liked civilized people. The trick might actually have worked for a couple of millenia (especially during the middle ages).
The trouble is science came around and not everything taught in religion is holding up. Maybe science can someday prove or disprove religion altogether. However, I think since the heydays of “if you’re bad you’re going to hell”, man has evolved quite a bit intellectually. That’s why I believe we should seek ethics/morality through secular means. I think it’s possible.
Any thoughts?
Haha.
There’s another reason why people need religion.
Are you suggesting man will never reach a sufficient level of intelligence so as not to need divine rules to guide his conduct?
No, I don’t believe we ever will.
We’re slowly getting there, but the fact is, some people need religion.. and they always will.
Even when they think religion is dead, there will still be those few who will be leading a life of worship.
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| | | 02 Sep 2007 07:12 pm |
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Wannabe Rep: 2 Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 79 OFFLINE | Patriotic British Maniac wrote:
And I didn’t say that religion was the cause of the war in iraq, I just stated that religion was the cause of the most horrific war in history.
No, by your thinking ATHEISM was. Hitler became ATHEISTIC and dumped all religion on his way to the Holocaust.
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Wannabe Rep: 2Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 79 OFFLINE | Morphine wrote:
Patriotic British Maniac wrote:
I agree yes, churches and such do help people, and that’s great if it helps you get through things, but it isn’t a equal balance, a good deed in a community doesnt compare to the scale of impact of say 9/11.
You can’t blame everyone religious for the mistakes of a few retarded ones.
Every group has there bad seeds.
There’s always going to be people who think they have to kill to go to Heaven.
There’s also Billions of others who act as if they are saints, just to go.
I know religion has had it’s bad times..
It always will..
There will be millions of others who will die in the name of God.
We can’t change that.
There will also be millions that die because of greed, ignorance, hatred and money..
We can’t change that either.
Whether you like it or not, there will always be religion. There will always be war. There will always be hate.
If all our troops didn’t die in a war of religion, they would be dead because of something else, such as money.
Almost all of the people who died in war for religion, knew they were going to. They didn’t care. They loved God and would want to die that way over any other. Defending who they love. If there was no religion, they would have died over the greed of our leaders.. Something I’m sure they wouldn’t have wanted to leave their families for.
Words of wisdom.
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MvC Clan Leader: Wii Division | | | 02 Sep 2007 08:13 pm | | | 02 Sep 2007 08:19 pm |
Wannabe Rep: 2Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 79 OFFLINE |
The fact still remains that Hitler was an atheist.
An atheist committed those crimes and you just proved to us that atheists were hiding behind religion.
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MvC Clan Leader: Wii DivisionLast edited 02 Sep 2007 08:25 pm by ZUCASS | | | 02 Sep 2007 08:34 pm |
Original Fruit [Jaded] Rep: 107 Joined: 02 Dec 2006 Posts: 30,626 OFFLINE | I think religion kinda ties everything together and gives people faith and guidelines.
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Dr. Matt Rep: 48 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,545 OFFLINE | ZUCASS wrote:
The fact still remains that Hitler was an atheist.
An atheist committed those crimes and you just proved to us that atheists were hiding behind religion.
1. By that same logic, religion has more to blame
2. Hitler was not an atheist. He believed in God and he believe religion was required for morality.
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Wannabe Rep: 2Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 79 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
ZUCASS wrote:
The fact still remains that Hitler was an atheist.
An atheist committed those crimes and you just proved to us that atheists were hiding behind religion.
1. By that same logic, religion has more to blame
2. Hitler was not an atheist. He believed in God and he believe religion was required for morality.
1. Quit hiding behind religion.
2. Hitler was an atheist. Read his biography. He was an ATHEIST.
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MvC Clan Leader: Wii Division | | | 02 Sep 2007 08:43 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,545 OFFLINE | ZUCASS wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
ZUCASS wrote:
The fact still remains that Hitler was an atheist.
An atheist committed those crimes and you just proved to us that atheists were hiding behind religion.
1. By that same logic, religion has more to blame
2. Hitler was not an atheist. He believed in God and he believe religion was required for morality.
1. Quit hiding behind religion.
2. Hitler was an atheist. Read his biography. He was an ATHEIST.
1. What exactly do you mean by that?
2. Biography eh? Written by someone else I assume. Does it mentioned the multiple quotes he says in favor of religion?
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