| 07 Sep 2007 05:43 pm |
just passing by Guest | My top 3:
Abraham Lincoln: He had to deal with the country splitting in two. I think he may have been one of the best presidents ever too. Very wise man.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR): He had to deal with the Great Depression, then WWII (two fronts!). He did OK on both, but he messed up in the end by surrendering Eastern Europe to the Soviets.
George W. Bush: He had to deal with September 11. He also has to deal with Afghanistan and Iraq, but he kind of dragged us into those two. He’s terrible IMHO. We’ll see how history plays out though.
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| 07 Sep 2007 10:00 pm |
bahaha-_-its me Guest | bush made it harder for himself by going to iraq
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| 07 Sep 2007 11:45 pm |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 63  Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | I would say FDR.
He had to fix all of Hoover’s mistakes.
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| 08 Sep 2007 12:44 am |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46  Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Jimmy Carter inherited a lot of problems from the previous president.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 12 Sep 2007 10:16 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,733 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
I would say FDR.
He had to fix all of Hoover’s mistakes.
People give Hoover too much of a bad rep. He really had bad timing. And he gets this mean grouchy look because he didn’t do anything. But back in that time social programs wasn’t something the federal governement did. It was seen as that it wasn’t the federal government’s responsibility to do things like that. It was left to the states and private orginazations.
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| 13 Sep 2007 01:08 am |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 27  Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,427 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Green_Ninja wrote:
I would say FDR.
He had to fix all of Hoover’s mistakes.
People give Hoover too much of a bad rep. He really had bad timing. And he gets this mean grouchy look because he didn’t do anything. But back in that time social programs wasn’t something the federal governement did. It was seen as that it wasn’t the federal government’s responsibility to do things like that. It was left to the states and private orginazations.
That reminds me of something.
Europeans were responsible for Hitler
No, seriously. Woodrow Wilson didn’t want to punish Germany. Wilson presented Congress with something called the Fourteen Points. I don’t feel like explaining it, as it’s 1 AM and I’m tired, so I’ll just put the wikipedia shit on here.
The 'Fourteen Points' were listed in a speech delivered by President Woodrow Wilson of the United States to a joint session of the United States Congress on January 8, 1918. In his speech, Wilson intended to set out a blueprint for lasting peace in Europe after World War I. The idealism displayed in the speech gave Wilson a position of moral leadership among the Allies, and encouraged the Central Powers to surrender.
The speech was delivered over 10 months before the Armistice with Germany ended World War I, but the Fourteen Points became the basis for the terms of the German surrender, as negotiated at the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 and documented in the Treaty of Versailles. However, only four of the points were adopted completely in the post-war reconstruction of Europe, and the United States Senate refused to ratify the Treaty of Versailles.
Ah, note that at the end. The US Senate refused to ratify it. Why? Because they knew it was STUPID.
Opposition from the Allies
Opposition to the Fourteen Points among British and French leaders became clear after hostilities ceased: the British were against freedom of the seas; the French demanded war reparations.
Wilson was forced to compromise on many of his ideals to ensure that his most important point, the establishment of the League of Nations, was accepted. In the end, the Treaty of Versailles went far beyond the proposals in the Fourteen Points. The resulting bitterness in Germany laid the seeds for the rise of Nazism in the 1930s.
So basically, if we had gone through with Wilson’s plan, a lot of the fuel behind Hitler’s plans for nationalism wouldn’t have been there. The German people would have been far less resentful than they were.
So basically, Europeans fucked up. LOL.
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| 15 Sep 2007 06:46 pm |
Coco Chanel - My Queen Rep: 48  Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 9,761 OFFLINE | I did, I got chosen class president by a huge mayority but then no one liked wat I was doing and I got impeached
oh the nightmares, they laugh at me, make them stop please, mom help
*sucks thumb*
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