| 06 Nov 2007 03:33 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50  Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | superman he has more stamina and his energy wouldn’t run out like their ki does
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This guy think superman is the hero ever...
superman can be taken down by Virgo Shaka Genjutsu... ---
 
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | | 06 Nov 2007 03:55 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan was ubove Goku SSJ3 Proof:
NOT.
Kyle Knight wrote:
1. Goku’s SSJ3 consumes way too much power giveing him 30 mins tops in the transformation, now when reserected on World of the Kia’s Goku says “man in otherworld SSJ3 was easy but in this body it chuggs” meaning in a liveing body the strain is even greater and much harder to attain.
He managed to hold it fine against Kid Buu until he decided to try to go to his max. Wouldn’t make the same mistake twice.
Kyle Knight wrote:
2. Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than Goku’s as we see Goku saying to supream Kia and Kabito that he had to die to attain SSJ3 and train a great deal to learn to control it and still had not quight learned how to maintain it without excerting alot of energy, however Gotenks moved around freely with lack of strain and the huge amounts of energy loss so much so that he came on par with super buu and almost beat him with great effort.
Dude, Goku wasn’t straining... Gotenks reached that level since he’s a FUSION. Example: SSJ Vegeto was SLAUGHTERING Gohan Buu. Fusions have that HUGE boost. Goku couldn’t hold his power since HE WAS THAT POWERFUL. Btw SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu >>>>>>> Mystic Gohan >>>> Super Buu = Gotenks SSJ3
Kyle Knight wrote:
3. Gohan however fought Buu without any effort he made Buu seem like a child and toyed with him showing no sighns of struggle, the brilliant thing about Mystic is that it is his Maximum potentiol released in his normal status so no energy drain and no need to waist power chargeing up as he was constantly able to use his maximum in base form.
Like I said, Goku was doing JUST FINE till he tried to go to full power.
Kyle Knight wrote:
4. Next Gotenks Buu was the combination of an SSJ3 Gotenks Super Buu (Fat Buu and Thin Buu merged) and Piccolo (a being who knew Gohans style flawlessly and could poke at him emotionaly useing the memorys of Goten and Piccolo combined placeing Gohan in a state of unfocus and breaking him down mentaly before beating him pysicaly).
They did no fighitng whatsoever. Gohan swung, missed, got kicked away and hid. Don’t see any “flaws” in his fighitng style since there never was a “fight”...
Kyle Knight wrote:
5. I surpose the biggest point being the fact that even if Goku could last in SSJ3 he still lack’s the power and skill to defeat Gohan, simply by the power toll.
If Goku > Kid Buu, he >>>>>> Gohan
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku vs Fat Buu = Goku probably if he tried but there is always the chance SSJ3 would not last long enough but we will give it too Goku all out.
He’s was TOYING with Fat Buu just like Gohan was with Super Buu. He said he wanted the KIDS TO TAKE CARE OF IT. He said the next generation should be able to take care of themselves but heobviously had to destroy the biggest threat himself (again)
Kyle Knight wrote:
Fat Buu vs Thin Buu = Thin Buu without a doubt flawless pwnage Piccolo even states he is far stronger than Fat Buu makeing me wonder if Goku could beat him?
Fat Buu is the one SSJ3 fought... Mr. Buu and Evil Buu pop out. They’re the same strength but Evil Buu’s better ADAPTED at fighitng (he’s skinnier and faster) So if Goku toys with both of them combined, NO WAY can Evil Buu win.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gotenks SSJ3 vs Super Buu = Normal form was weaker than Fat Buu SSJ was on par with Fat Buu and SSJ3 was on par with Super Buu, even so its 50-50 Gotenks cocked up before and Super Buu wasnt running out of energy...so ill say Super Buu.
Fat Buu and Super Buu are equal in strength. SB’s better adapted once again. And no SSJ Gotenks isn’t as strong as SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu = total anialation Gohan picked him apart without trying this means Goku would have to be over 3-4 times Fat Buus power to fight Gohan due too Thin Buu being way more powerful than Fat Buu then the merger of the too into Super Buu and then be able to flawlessly take on Super Buu to fight Gohan (and thats not includeing the power lag).
Just look above - Super Buu is as strong as Fat Buu, buddy. HIS POWER WAS STABLE TILL HE POWERED UP.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Kid Buu vs Goku = Kid Buu no doubt in my mind 1 on 1 the Buu wins here Goku hadent even slowed Kid Buu down with rest and help from Vegeta and Fat Buu going all out only the Spirit Bomb stoped him and Goku was restored to his full strenth again. Kid Buu is easily on par with Super Buu in my opinion as he beat Fat Buu just as easy as the Thin Vertion yet he lacks the brain power of Super Buu... in power he might be stronger and regeneration is quight obviously greater id even say that his stamina is never ending almost!
Funny how Goku lost his energy trying to get to his peak or he woulda WTFPWNED Kid Buu... Kid Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SUper Buu = Fat Buu
Kyle Knight wrote:
So Goku could not have beat Kid Buu without help and even when they fugh the battle seemed tied and eventualy in Buu’s favour as he dousent tire yet Goku douse GREATLY!, as it is with Gohan.
DUDE, HE TIRED HIMSELF OUT - KID BUU DIDN’T DO THAT.
Kyle Knight wrote:
6. Gohan vs Kid Buu = Giveing Gohan never tried against Superbuu and dousent tire unless excesively useing Ki id say Gohan would pumble Kid Buu into a pulp but im not to sure if Gohan could strike the final blow considering the Spirit Bomb beat him?, also considering Kid Buu’s lack of intelligence he couldent mentaly weaken Gohan with taunts, but if Buu destroys the planet he wins apart from that its a waiting game to see who tire’s first.
Kid Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan. Gohan would be dead in 2 minutes. Vegeta said only GOKU could beat him.
Kyle Knight wrote:
oh yea as for skill Goku admits in the time chamber Gohan became just as good a fighter as he was and was capable of much higher levels of strenth than he or any Z fighter could ever hope to imagine, it was also the creators intent that Gohan would eventualy inevitably surpass his farther so in Mystic Gohans full potentiol was awakened (strenth speed skill, and power) notice how Gohan no longer had any of the qirky flaws in his fighting style upon his return and was completely confident in his abilitys.
His power still never matched his dad’s, never will. Are you fucking retarded? Goku’s fighting style is on the very TOP. And no SSJ3 has no quirks - just not being able to reach max power and losing life energy faster...
Kyle Knight wrote:
So their is a pretty large gap in power between father and son but this is rectified the only way they really could (Gohan stops training completely and Goku trains for ten years straight once again reclaiming his title lol).
He kept his title... He could WTFPWN Gohan before even fighitng Kid Buu (got a huge power boost after)
Kyle Knight wrote:
P.S also i noticed that Goku actually surgested to have Gohan and Gotenks come and fight Kid Buu...weird huh why would he do that if he knew they were no match.
He said MAYBE. And note that he said to get both to fight Kid Buu at the same time... Only Goku held his own against Kid Buu ALONE...
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Pete da Beast wrote:
UltimaLegendXReborn, you are a DBZ anime watcher and anime watcher only.
I never watched the anime... I read the manga...
Anyways, Mystic Gohan beat Super Buu and owned him, while GOKU admitted himself to be weaker than Super Buu.
He said that in SSJ. Gohan HID from Gotenks Buu while Goku was ready to fight. Hmm...
SSJ3 Goku is weaker than Gohan and also Gohan’s power doesn’t run out like SSJ3, since it uses such a large amount of energy.
SSJ3 Goku far outstrips Mystic. He’d be pwned before Goku’s energy was all depleted.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18 Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | It would take all Gokus power to be able to keep up with Gohan man, ur logic is alittle messed up there bud, oh and why say i am a retard cus of my veiw just provide some evidence to prove me wrong thats enough no need to get all bitchy about it im not ur enemy i just see things alittle differently thats all.
Vegeta dousent (and i garuntee this) say Goku is the onlyone capable of beating Kid Buu.
Kid Buu took on Goku twice and Vegeta and Fat Buu without tire it was not untill Goku was given all his strenth back and had the SB that he could beat Kid Buu (if aything he relied on Vegeta and Hurcule a great deal here...even Denda and Supream Kia).
Alone on a deserted battlefeild Kid Buu would have slaughtered Goku, as we have seen Goku struggles in SSJ3 with a liveing bodey as the strain is much greater.
(mabe as you say Goku with Maximum power SSJ3 would win, but he could not attain it).
The Buu issue is simple Fat Buu fought Evil Buu Piccolo says “I cant belive it Denda he is even more powerful” thats were i got that from dude Piccolo says it and i belive him, next Super Buu swallows Fat Buu tranceforming, now when he arrives on the lookout Piccolo says that they have NEVER encountered a power like this before Buu would anialate Gotenks now and they need to breakthrough to win (keep in mind they have already senced Goku SSJ3 and Gotenks SSJ).
Another interesting point before i move on is Goku could handle SSJ3 better in his dead form so when he fought Fat Buu that was his best really with as litte strain as possible on his body.
(another thing Goten and Trunks train in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber before faceing Super Buu, i remember Trunks saying “hehe we wernt even half this strong when we came in here” that would workout as SSJ Gotenks was about Majin Buu’s Power when he went into the Room and had now morethan doubled his power thus being on par with Super Buu).
Next Gotenks in SSJ3 your right Fushion made them real strong even stronger than anticipated, now remember how easily Gotenks moved around in SSJ3 he practicaly had no difficulty or strain that was apparent with Goku (massive energy loss) he practicaly breezed the form and could fight Super Buu (keep in mind Evil Buu wooped Fat Buu and this was there combined might) the only problem was the fushion time about 30 minutes wasnt it rather like Goku.
Next was eveident proof Gohan was stronger than Goku, the Z sword Goku and Gohan both struggle to lift the blade when they first attempt to, yet later in normal state Gohan can fling it around with ease meaning he was stronger all the way up in to SSJ2 but Goku still had the Advantage with SSJ3.
The tie breaker was Mystic this allowed Gohan to surpass his farther and in normal state no less, giveing Gohan the extra level he needed without energy loss or strain and unleashed his max potentiol something Goku himself admitts is beyond him (Goku says i wonder if this can be surpassed meaning Gohan had reached a new level of power never before wittnesed).
And as the anouncer says Gohan returns home with his powers haveing reached all new limits.
now here is a power toll:
Fat Buu
Gotenks
Gotenks SSJ (twice as powerful as Fat Buu)
Goku SSJ3 (plays with fat Buu, on par with Kid Buu for duration)
Kid Buu: (beats fat Buus ass in and Vegeta’s SSJ2 and Goku SSJ3...twice
Super buu (Fat and Evil Combined)
Gotenks SSJ3 (on par with Super Buu)
Mystic Gohan (flaws Super Buu no problem) ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 06 Nov 2007 02:59 pm |
the greatest Rep: 26Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 6,046 OFFLINE | superma ncant be beaten by any dbz characters (except ssj4 gogeta) ---
  me=destinyguy678
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Trackz wrote:
superma ncant be beaten by any dbz characters (except ssj4 gogeta)
erm you do know that most DBZ fighters are capable of destroying a planet Superman struggles to do this.
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 06 Nov 2007 04:26 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12 Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,670 OFFLINE | Dont boter with him, theres no sense TALKING sense into them, either of them. ---
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the greatest Rep: 26Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 6,046 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Trackz wrote:
superma ncant be beaten by any dbz characters (except ssj4 gogeta)
erm you do know that most DBZ fighters are capable of destroying a planet Superman struggles to do this.
...superman has never struggled to destroy a planet the shockwaves of his planet destroys planet he hits harder than any dbz character, not to mention a planet destroying attack would barely harm superman as he’s taken two or three of the mconsecutavly and it made hi myell...yet didnt see mt odo any damage other than that
me=destinyguy678
| | | 06 Nov 2007 05:55 pm |
undead Guest | long story short u can’t compair characters from other series, they were designed differently under different enviroment style... dbz = made by japanese, superman = made by americans
also UltimaLegendXReborn is right coz ssj 3 goku faught on par with gotenks buu while gohan looked for the patora earring he foolishly didn’t catch | | | 06 Nov 2007 05:56 pm |
undead Guest | *fought, soz thought it didn’t look spelt right | | | 06 Nov 2007 06:03 pm |
ULXR Guest | Pete da Beast wrote:
Dont boter with him, theres no sense TALKING sense into them, either of them.
Who asked you anything? | | | 06 Nov 2007 06:04 pm |
ULXR Guest | undead wrote:
long story short u can’t compair characters from other series, they were designed differently under different enviroment style... dbz = made by japanese, superman = made by americans
also UltimaLegendXReborn is right coz ssj 3 goku faught on par with gotenks buu while gohan looked for the patora earring he foolishly didn’t catch
Thank you. The same one Gohan tried HIDING from. | | | 06 Nov 2007 06:05 pm |
ULXR Guest | Trackz wrote:
superma ncant be beaten by any dbz characters (except ssj4 gogeta)
... that’s bull...
Goku SSJ3 can slaughter Supes... Goku/Vegeta SSJ4 RAPE Supes. Gogeta just plain shits on him... | | | 06 Nov 2007 06:43 pm |
ULXR Guest | Kyle Knight wrote:
It would take all Gokus power to be able to keep up with Gohan man, ur logic is alittle messed up there bud, oh and why say i am a retard cus of my veiw just provide some evidence to prove me wrong thats enough no need to get all bitchy about it im not ur enemy i just see things alittle differently thats all.
Are you STUPID??? Goku would throw away Gohan like yesterday’s trash. Yah, “seeing things differently” by ignoring all my evidence. Huh.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Vegeta dousent (and i garuntee this) say Goku is the onlyone capable of beating Kid Buu.
Yeah, he freaking DOES.
Direct quote: Damn! I wanted to see this SSJ3 up close... So the battle for the fate of the universe begins. Goku you are glorious. This creature is far behind my power. Only you can beat him. First I used to think that protecting people created some unfathomable power in you, but I have that reason now too. But I kill to boost my pride. You never killed your enemies, just fought them to push your limits and get stronger and stronger. That’s why you didn’t kill me either. I should hate you. A saiyan who loves to fight AND is kind? A fighting as well? Good luck, Kakkarot. You are the champ!
Direct quote: Man, I didn’t know the Patora were so powerful. Buu’s helpless!
Dolt. Those 2 have the power. The two greatest masters of the living AND the dead
Direct quote: Hmm, I wonder if Goku can win this...
Don’t worry. My dad can beat ANYBODY - he’s the strongest guy alive! Just watch him beat that genie.
Heh, true. Goku never ceases to amaze me.
Want some scans as well, buddy?
Kyle Knight wrote:
Kid Buu took on Goku twice and Vegeta and Fat Buu without tire it was not untill Goku was given all his strenth back and had the SB that he could beat Kid Buu (if aything he relied on Vegeta and Hurcule a great deal here...even Denda and Supream Kia).
Goku twice? Wtf r u talking about? Vegeta lost in like 1 minute... a few ki blasts, then he gets destroyed. Fat Buu din’t make Kid Buu lose any ki whatsoever. Goku still fought when he lost his energy due to stupidity not fatigue. Oh, and Goku got his energy AFTRER he launched the SSB? Dende, SK and Hercule didn’t do a thing... Hercule just distracted him for a little time.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Alone on a deserted battlefeild Kid Buu would have slaughtered Goku, as we have seen Goku struggles in SSJ3 with a liveing bodey as the strain is much greater.
OMFG. He was fighting ON PAR with Kid Buu until Vegeta said to try to finish him by powering to max. As Kid Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>Super Buu, Goku >>>>> Kid Buu (at max power) meaning Goku >>>>> Gohan.
Kyle Knight wrote:
(mabe as you say Goku with Maximum power SSJ3 would win, but he could not attain it).
Did he need it to go toe to toe with Kid Buu? Thought so.
Kyle Knight wrote:
The Buu issue is simple Fat Buu fought Evil Buu Piccolo says “I cant belive it Denda he is even more powerful” thats were i got that from dude Piccolo says it and i belive him, next Super Buu swallows Fat Buu tranceforming, now when he arrives on the lookout Piccolo says that they have NEVER encountered a power like this before Buu would anialate Gotenks now and they need to breakthrough to win (keep in mind they have already senced Goku SSJ3 and Gotenks SSJ).
Funny how Goku was in the AFTERLIFE at this point. It wasn’t too much for Gotenks... SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu... He’s never said anything on the “power” He commented on the “EVIL”. Super Buu’s better adapted at fighitng. For example 2(Mr. Buu)+2(Evil Buu)=(Fat Buu). Then one 2 (the better one at fighting) gains dominance and “fuses” with the other 2. It’s better at fighitng BUT STILL 4. Capische?
Kyle Knight wrote:
Another interesting point before i move on is Goku could handle SSJ3 better in his dead form so when he fought Fat Buu that was his best really with as litte strain as possible on his body.
He’s wasn’t “dead” He was holding back. He said that in THE SPIRIT WORLD - heaven and HFIL... All he said is it drains life force faster and depletes some more energy than in the underworld. When fighitng Kid Buu, he also learned that he’s couldn’t reach his peak.
Kyle Knight wrote:
(another thing Goten and Trunks train in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber before faceing Super Buu, i remember Trunks saying “hehe we wernt even half this strong when we came in here” that would workout as SSJ Gotenks was about Majin Buu’s Power when he went into the Room and had now morethan doubled his power thus being on par with Super Buu).
I never said he wasn’t. And again SSJ Vegeto was PWNIGN Gohan Buu. Does that mean SSJ >>> SSJ3? No!
Kyle Knight wrote:
Next Gotenks in SSJ3 your right Fushion made them real strong even stronger than anticipated, now remember how easily Gotenks moved around in SSJ3 he practicaly had no difficulty or strain that was apparent with Goku (massive energy loss) he practicaly breezed the form and could fight Super Buu (keep in mind Evil Buu wooped Fat Buu and this was there combined might) the only problem was the fushion time about 30 minutes wasnt it rather like Goku.
You mean life, not ki itself. Evil Buu whupped MR. BUU (his other half)... Goku had NO TIME LIMIT. He got hit MANY times by Kid Buu, shot at with ki blasts, even exchanged kamehamehas and HE still didn’t power down to SSJ2. He only depowered when he tried to get to max power.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Next was eveident proof Gohan was stronger than Goku, the Z sword Goku and Gohan both struggle to lift the blade when they first attempt to, yet later in normal state Gohan can fling it around with ease meaning he was stronger all the way up in to SSJ2 but Goku still had the Advantage with SSJ3.
R u kidding me? GOKU NEVER TRIED TO PICK IT UP. After solid training Gohan STILL couldn’t weild it easier than his dad. Goku commented that it was pretty heavy but wasn’t about to drop it. He just said Gohan was getting better. He also said taht despite Gohan gaining strength, this was nowhere near enough to beat Buu. Once again, Goku didn’t WANNA STEP IN, HE WANTED GOHAN AND THE NEW GENERATIONT TO LEARN HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND PROTECT EARTH.
Kyle Knight wrote:
The tie breaker was Mystic this allowed Gohan to surpass his farther and in normal state no less, giveing Gohan the extra level he needed without energy loss or strain and unleashed his max potentiol something Goku himself admitts is beyond him (Goku says i wonder if this can be surpassed meaning Gohan had reached a new level of power never before wittnesed).
Goku never said that, EVER. He didn’t even comment when Gohan went Mystic. The guys on Earth didn’t say anything when they saw Gohan. What could they say. Gohan was a lot stronger but Goku still far outstripped him.
Kyle Knight wrote:
And as the anouncer says Gohan returns home with his powers haveing reached all new limits.
FOR GOHAN.
Kyle Knight wrote:
now here is a power toll:
Fat Buu
Gotenks
Gotenks SSJ (twice as powerful as Fat Buu)
Goku SSJ3 (plays with fat Buu, on par with Kid Buu for duration)
Kid Buu: (beats fat Buus ass in and Vegeta’s SSJ2 and Goku SSJ3...twice
Super buu (Fat and Evil Combined)
Gotenks SSJ3 (on par with Super Buu)
Mystic Gohan (flaws Super Buu no problem)
Vegeto >>>>>> Mystic Buu >>>>>>> Gotenks/Piccolo Buu >>>>SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan >>>>>>>> Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks = Fat Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta >>> SSJ2 Gohan >> Evil Buu = Mr. Buu | | | 06 Nov 2007 07:09 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Gotenks Buu was way too strong for any non fused Charicter he was (Gotenks SSJ3, Super Buu, and Piccolo) so basically the equivelent of too Super Buu’s and thensome.
Old Kia even say’s that if Goku went too help Gohan out without useing the Fushion Majin Buu would still defeat both of them soundly (thats how tough he was).
As for Gohan hideing he did try to confrount Buu Pysicaly and held his own at the start of the battle, but Buu knew all of Gohans moves thanks too Piccolo and shattered his focus and his confidence useing the memorys of his comrades (Goten Trunks and Piccolo).
So Gohan did the only smart thing when out powered and unable to think straight, he fled trying to think of away around Buu’s strenth and his answer was too hold out untill the Fushion wore off, witch he did Denda healed him after he was battered increaseing his power and he only had a few minutes untill it wore of at that point.
(the Goku vs Gotenks Buu was filler like Gohan vs Gotenks Buu and holds his own part but none the less we will add it)
When Goku arrives (he cuts of Buus tenticle the same one that absorb’s Gohan how coincidental lol) but he is confident that with the fushion they will win, but Gohan missed his throw and Goku panics he clearly dousent want to fight Buu and beggs for more time, Buu attacks forceing Goku too Go SSJ3 (Buu then toys with him teliporting all over his ass) Goku keeps shouting to Gohan “PUT THAT EARING ON”!!! showing he dident have the same confidence that he had against Kid Buu he was desperate for Gohan to unite with him.
After Buu loses SSJ3 Gotenks and reverts to Piccolo Goku states Buu has lost over 1 3rd of his power and Gohan could beat him now but rather unluckily Goku chopped his tenticle of and it absorbed Gohan tut tut silly Goku.
The same is said fr Mystic Buu Goku could not have beat him even with Vegeta. ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 06 Nov 2007 07:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Gotenks Buu was way too strong for any non fused Charicter he was (Gotenks SSJ3, Super Buu, and Piccolo) so basically the equivelent of too Super Buu’s and thensome.
No really.
Old Kia even say’s that if Goku went too help Gohan out without useing the Fushion Majin Buu would still defeat both of them soundly (thats how tough he was).
No he didn’t. He said they stood a better chance with the earring.
As for Gohan hideing he did try to confrount Buu Pysicaly and held his own at the start of the battle, but Buu knew all of Gohans moves thanks too Piccolo and shattered his focus and his confidence useing the memorys of his comrades (Goten Trunks and Piccolo).
... Like I said. THERE WAS NO FIGHT. Gohan swings misses, gets knocked into a cliff. This happens one more time, then Gohan decides to quit and hide. There was no BLOCKING involved on Gotenk Buu’s part. If he had attacked Goku - Goku woulda unleased an explosive combo on his ass.
So Gohan did the only smart thing when out powered and unable to think straight, he fled trying to think of away around Buu’s strenth and his answer was too hold out untill the Fushion wore off, witch he did Denda healed him after he was battered increaseing his power and he only had a few minutes untill it wore of at that point.
This is when Gotenks Buu found him and was about to finish him despite “hiding”  and normal Goten, Trunks and Piccolo’s powers are so inferior that they don’t count. Even with “increased power” Gohan was about to die till Goku saved him.
(the Goku vs Gotenks Buu was filler like Gohan vs Gotenks Buu and holds his own part but none the less we will add it)
Gohan getting healed by Dende and getting a power boost is also filler.
When Goku arrives (he cuts of Buus tenticle the same one that absorb’s Gohan how coincidental lol) but he is confident that with the fushion they will win, but Gohan missed his throw and Goku panics he clearly dousent want to fight Buu and beggs for more time, Buu attacks forceing Goku too Go SSJ3 (Buu then toys with him teliporting all over his ass) Goku keeps shouting to Gohan “PUT THAT EARING ON”!!! showing he dident have the same confidence that he had against Kid Buu he was desperate for Gohan to unite with him.
Goku didn’t beg...He only begged against Mystic Buu since not even HE stood a chance at that point. Of course Goku’s gonna go SSJ3 - SSJ2 would have gotten slaughtered. Buu doesn’t even hit Goku... If you mean the filler part, then one Buu can’t tele and two Goku was giving Gotenks Buu his $'s worth unlike Gohan. Of course he knew that even though he could hold off Gotenks Buu (unlike his son) that he couldn’t beat him either. I woud’ve done the same.
After Buu loses SSJ3 Gotenks and reverts to Piccolo Goku states Buu has lost over 1 3rd of his power and Gohan could beat him now but rather unluckily Goku chopped his tenticle of and it absorbed Gohan tut tut silly Goku.
Goku saved him from certain death... Btw you mean more than 1/2 his power - not 1/3.
The same is said fr Mystic Buu Goku could not have beat him even with Vegeta.
But him and Vegeta would have stood a better chance even if Gohan had an identical clone to help Goku fight Mystic Buu. Hmm... Gotenk’s fusion increased his power exponentionally. Vegeto’s didn’t - as stated by the elder Kai - THOSE 2 had the power AND they lived to outdo each other.
P.S. Lol dude, you gonna chicken out on responding to the other posts? I’m ULXR offline... 
| | | 06 Nov 2007 07:37 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | ...urm reading ur post (im not ignoreing them they have some interesting points) but you know Super Buu was stronger than Fat Buu right???, inside Buu’s head they wished to remove Fat Buu Gohan and Co to WEAKEN him right dude that means he is STRONGER when he absorbs people.
Also if Gotenks became 2wice as powerful than before and Super Buu was the same strenth as Fat Buu then Gotenks would have wooped him would he not?, yet he was an extreamly tough opponent.
(get that one out the way first)
Now then if we look at Goku fighting Fat Buu what do we see oh yeah...Goku going on about how gifted a fighter Majin Buu was and how he tells Piccolo “Buu’s no ordinary Oponent, who knows i may not have stood a chance” this is Goku admiting Fat Buu isnt an easy oponent too beat (after all he is more powerful than Majin Vegeta) but he could have beat him probably if he had Tried, TRIED you see that word that means it requires effort for him too win were as Mystic Gohan requires none for Super Buu his stronger form.
(that pretty much says it all if Goku had to actually try to beat Fat Buu then he isnt in the same ball park as Gohan, infact you say it best yourself Super Buu is a much better fighter than Fat Buu yet Fat Buu lands a few blows on Goku when it should have been a breeze so if Super Buu is way better and stronger...then Goku would really have to try too beat Super Buu once again Gohan dident try at all and won FLAWLESSLY).
I really should Go on but i think that is enough for you to digest, btw are you a big Goku fan cus you seem to get really offended by the prospect Gohan is the single strongest entity in DBZ even tho the creator himself admits Gohan was always intended to surpass his farther...whats the deal man? ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 06 Nov 2007 07:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
...urm reading ur post (im not ignoreing them they have some interesting points) but you know Super Buu was stronger than Fat Buu right???, inside Buu’s head they wished to remove Fat Buu Gohan and Co to WEAKEN him right dude that means he is STRONGER when he absorbs people.
Dude, they removed MR. BUU - the good guy. That’s why Super Buu was like NOOOOO...he was PURE INDILUTED EVIL. Kid Buu is way stronger than Super Buu. Powerwise he increased after Gohan and co were removed, he became even better at fighitng than Super Buu, and this time he didn’t have even a SHRED of deceney in him. He blew himself up to kill them. Super Buu could not have effortlessly defeated Mr. Buu unlike Kid Buu. Meaning Kid Buu >>>>
Also if Gotenks became 2wice as powerful than before and Super Buu was the same strenth as Fat Buu then Gotenks would have wooped him would he not?, yet he was an extreamly tough opponent.
Since they were dead even! Gotenks didn’t get twice as powerful. He got WAY stronger. Gotenks was SLAUGHTERED by Fat Buu and nearly dead so...
(get that one out the way first)
Mmkay.
Now then if we look at Goku fighting Fat Buu what do we see oh yeah...Goku going on about how gifted a fighter Majin Buu was and how he tells Piccolo “Buu’s no ordinary Oponent, who knows i may not have stood a chance” this is Goku admiting Fat Buu isnt an easy oponent too beat (after all he is more powerful than Majin Vegeta) but he could have beat him probably if he had Tried, TRIED you see that word that means it requires effort for him too win were as Mystic Gohan requires none for Super Buu his stronger form.
He mentions that he could have TWICE. “You know I could have beaten Fat Buu when I met him” That means he was solid that he could win. As Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Gohan in power, the same for skill so Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu.
(that pretty much says it all if Goku had to actually try to beat Fat Buu then he isnt in the same ball park as Gohan, infact you say it best yourself Super Buu is a much better fighter than Fat Buu yet Fat Buu lands a few blows on Goku when it should have been a breeze so if Super Buu is way better and stronger...then Goku would really have to try too beat Super Buu once again Gohan dident try at all and won FLAWLESSLY).
Goku was HOLDING BACK. Goku’s skill, let alone power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gohan. So if Gohan won, Goku would EFFORTLESSLY pwn Super Buu. Super Buu isn’t stronger for the last time lolz.
I really should Go on but i think that is enough for you to digest, btw are you a big Goku fan cus you seem to get really offended by the prospect Gohan is the single strongest entity in DBZ even tho the creator himself admits Gohan was always intended to surpass his farther...whats the deal man?
Come on man. IMO Vegeta’s WAY cooler. Gohan’s NOT the srongest though. Had he been, Toriyama would have depicted him as the one to kill Kid Buu. GOKU WANTED TO PASS ON HIS LEGACY. If Gohan was stronger, he would have continusely trained to protect thd Earth when his dad and Vegeta died. Toriyama’s LAST SCENE was making Uub the gaurdian, not Gohan. Remember Uub=Kid Buu so Kid Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gohan. Goku would have wished for Super Buu to be reincarnated but he didn’t since Kid Buu was sronger. If Goku was “weaker” then Super Buu, 10 years is ample time to raise stregth by so much it’s not even funny. But he chose Kid Buu for a reason.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | ohh yea about answering those erm...fact...words you wrote isnt that what my posts are about they argue in full th oposition to your claims untill you have nothing left that is uncovered, a smart debator takes away from his opponent as i am with you slowly knocking the chips down untill we are left with the undinied truth.
I will admit some of what you say is true but there are vast holes in your DBZ memory (no offence) but alas i will help u when u mess up dude tat way we can find the truth out alot fasterwithout circleing the same topics lol.
here is 1 you mentioned:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AlMGxj6Pl_A
look at that is it not Gohan fighting with Gotenks Buu when he is born and holding his own to begin with?, he is landing blows as much as Gotenks Buu is in their first round, Goku could barly land 1 hit on Gotenks Buu.
(oh post quotes if you want that could help you alot). ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 06 Nov 2007 08:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
...urm reading ur post (im not ignoreing them they have some interesting points) but you know Super Buu was stronger than Fat Buu right???, inside Buu’s head they wished to remove Fat Buu Gohan and Co to WEAKEN him right dude that means he is STRONGER when he absorbs people.
Dude, they removed MR. BUU - the good guy. That’s why Super Buu was like NOOOOO...he was PURE INDILUTED EVIL. Kid Buu is way stronger than Super Buu. Powerwise he increased after Gohan and co were removed, he became even better at fighitng than Super Buu, and this time he didn’t have even a SHRED of deceney in him. He blew himself up to kill them. Super Buu could not have effortlessly defeated Mr. Buu unlike Kid Buu. Meaning Kid Buu >>>>
Also if Gotenks became 2wice as powerful than before and Super Buu was the same strenth as Fat Buu then Gotenks would have wooped him would he not?, yet he was an extreamly tough opponent.
Since they were dead even! Gotenks didn’t get twice as powerful. He got WAY stronger. Gotenks was SLAUGHTERED by Fat Buu and nearly dead so...
(get that one out the way first)
Mmkay.
Now then if we look at Goku fighting Fat Buu what do we see oh yeah...Goku going on about how gifted a fighter Majin Buu was and how he tells Piccolo “Buu’s no ordinary Oponent, who knows i may not have stood a chance” this is Goku admiting Fat Buu isnt an easy oponent too beat (after all he is more powerful than Majin Vegeta) but he could have beat him probably if he had Tried, TRIED you see that word that means it requires effort for him too win were as Mystic Gohan requires none for Super Buu his stronger form.
He mentions that he could have TWICE. “You know I could have beaten Fat Buu when I met him” That means he was solid that he could win. As Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Gohan in power, the same for skill so Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu.
(that pretty much says it all if Goku had to actually try to beat Fat Buu then he isnt in the same ball park as Gohan, infact you say it best yourself Super Buu is a much better fighter than Fat Buu yet Fat Buu lands a few blows on Goku when it should have been a breeze so if Super Buu is way better and stronger...then Goku would really have to try too beat Super Buu once again Gohan dident try at all and won FLAWLESSLY).
Goku was HOLDING BACK. Goku’s skill, let alone power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gohan. So if Gohan won, Goku would EFFORTLESSLY pwn Super Buu. Super Buu isn’t stronger for the last time lolz.
I really should Go on but i think that is enough for you to digest, btw are you a big Goku fan cus you seem to get really offended by the prospect Gohan is the single strongest entity in DBZ even tho the creator himself admits Gohan was always intended to surpass his farther...whats the deal man?
Come on man. IMO Vegeta’s WAY cooler. Gohan’s NOT the srongest though. Had he been, Toriyama would have depicted him as the one to kill Kid Buu. GOKU WANTED TO PASS ON HIS LEGACY. If Gohan was stronger, he would have continusely trained to protect thd Earth when his dad and Vegeta died. Toriyama’s LAST SCENE was making Uub the gaurdian, not Gohan. Remember Uub=Kid Buu so Kid Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gohan. Goku would have wished for Super Buu to be reincarnated but he didn’t since Kid Buu was sronger. If Goku was “weaker” then Super Buu, 10 years is ample time to raise stregth by so much it’s not even funny. But he chose Kid Buu for a reason.
Whoa dude now you have gone of the deepend lol, firstly with the Toriyama bid Goku was not the strongest as Toriyama wanted Gohan to reserve that title but popular demand brought Goku back he was just the hero of earth and as the favored fan favorite was chosen to defeat Kid Buu simple as a crowd pleaser lol.
Next Kid Buu and Uub...i really felt dumber haveing read that part i mean Gohan stops training and becomes a dork (but still Uub was a novice)...so how do you waigh Gohan against Uub who couldent even use his powers and Goku dident even require a transformation to defeat him i mean at this point he could have taken on Super Buu easy and Gotenks Buu and mabe yes even Mystic Buu, so how douse this surport your case Goku was stronger cus he trained Gohan dident Goku took his central role and Gohan took the back seat cus if he had trained he would have been ubove Goku still.
How do i know that (Cell Games/Half Saiyans are stronger and Gohan has a higher potentiol)
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