| 07 Nov 2007 03:17 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6  Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
...urm reading ur post (im not ignoreing them they have some interesting points) but you know Super Buu was stronger than Fat Buu right???, inside Buu’s head they wished to remove Fat Buu Gohan and Co to WEAKEN him right dude that means he is STRONGER when he absorbs people.
Dude, they removed MR. BUU - the good guy. That’s why Super Buu was like NOOOOO...he was PURE INDILUTED EVIL. Kid Buu is way stronger than Super Buu. Powerwise he increased after Gohan and co were removed, he became even better at fighitng than Super Buu, and this time he didn’t have even a SHRED of deceney in him. He blew himself up to kill them. Super Buu could not have effortlessly defeated Mr. Buu unlike Kid Buu. Meaning Kid Buu >>>>
Also if Gotenks became 2wice as powerful than before and Super Buu was the same strenth as Fat Buu then Gotenks would have wooped him would he not?, yet he was an extreamly tough opponent.
Since they were dead even! Gotenks didn’t get twice as powerful. He got WAY stronger. Gotenks was SLAUGHTERED by Fat Buu and nearly dead so...
(get that one out the way first)
Mmkay.
Now then if we look at Goku fighting Fat Buu what do we see oh yeah...Goku going on about how gifted a fighter Majin Buu was and how he tells Piccolo “Buu’s no ordinary Oponent, who knows i may not have stood a chance” this is Goku admiting Fat Buu isnt an easy oponent too beat (after all he is more powerful than Majin Vegeta) but he could have beat him probably if he had Tried, TRIED you see that word that means it requires effort for him too win were as Mystic Gohan requires none for Super Buu his stronger form.
He mentions that he could have TWICE. “You know I could have beaten Fat Buu when I met him” That means he was solid that he could win. As Goku >>>>>>>>>>> Gohan in power, the same for skill so Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super Buu.
(that pretty much says it all if Goku had to actually try to beat Fat Buu then he isnt in the same ball park as Gohan, infact you say it best yourself Super Buu is a much better fighter than Fat Buu yet Fat Buu lands a few blows on Goku when it should have been a breeze so if Super Buu is way better and stronger...then Goku would really have to try too beat Super Buu once again Gohan dident try at all and won FLAWLESSLY).
Goku was HOLDING BACK. Goku’s skill, let alone power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gohan. So if Gohan won, Goku would EFFORTLESSLY pwn Super Buu. Super Buu isn’t stronger for the last time lolz.
I really should Go on but i think that is enough for you to digest, btw are you a big Goku fan cus you seem to get really offended by the prospect Gohan is the single strongest entity in DBZ even tho the creator himself admits Gohan was always intended to surpass his farther...whats the deal man?
Come on man. IMO Vegeta’s WAY cooler. Gohan’s NOT the srongest though. Had he been, Toriyama would have depicted him as the one to kill Kid Buu. GOKU WANTED TO PASS ON HIS LEGACY. If Gohan was stronger, he would have continusely trained to protect thd Earth when his dad and Vegeta died. Toriyama’s LAST SCENE was making Uub the gaurdian, not Gohan. Remember Uub=Kid Buu so Kid Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gohan. Goku would have wished for Super Buu to be reincarnated but he didn’t since Kid Buu was sronger. If Goku was “weaker” then Super Buu, 10 years is ample time to raise stregth by so much it’s not even funny. But he chose Kid Buu for a reason.
Whoa dude now you have gone of the deepend lol, firstly with the Toriyama bid Goku was not the strongest as Toriyama wanted Gohan to reserve that title but popular demand brought Goku back he was just the hero of earth and as the favored fan favorite was chosen to defeat Kid Buu simple as a crowd pleaser lol.
Next Kid Buu and Uub...i really felt dumber haveing read that part i mean Gohan stops training and becomes a dork (but still Uub was a novice)...so how do you waigh Gohan against Uub who couldent even use his powers and Goku dident even require a transformation to defeat him i mean at this point he could have taken on Super Buu easy and Gotenks Buu and mabe yes even Mystic Buu, so how douse this surport your case Goku was stronger cus he trained Gohan dident Goku took his central role and Gohan took the back seat cus if he had trained he would have been ubove Goku still.
How do i know that (Cell Games/Half Saiyans are stronger and Gohan has a higher potentiol)
Dude I think YOU went off the deep end. Goku didn’t REQUIRE transformation since he was much stronger than before and before he >>>>> Gohan anyways. Uub still hurt him meaning he had all his power, just didn’t know how to use it properly. You on crack man? You said Gohan didn’t train...Mystic is MAX potential meaning you can’t get stronger...and if Goku was that much stronger BEFORE than...he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the 10th power Gohan now. And you say the fans wanted Goku to beat him? Nope, not true. THE FANS WERE TIRED OF GOKU BEASTING ON ALL THE VILLAINS AND THEY WANTED SOMEONE NEW TO DO SOMETHING - HENCE GOHAN GOING SSJ2...Toriyama had Gohan fight Cell TO IMROVE SALE since fans were getting tired of watching Goku kick ass. So it only makes sense they wouldn’t want him to do it but Toriyama STILL making GOku kill Buu means someting...
 | | | | 07 Nov 2007 03:26 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | lol its really funny to me how you say Goku IS stronger anyway but dont back it up at all, when did he show even half Mystic Gohan’s ability, i mean i would belive you if it wasnt a case of you just saying Goku is stronger and expecting me to belive you.
But thats not how it works dude,
Goku SSJ3 could have killed Fat Buu if he had really TRIED, just look at that word and that my freind is the ever loveing truth Goku would have some difficulty in defeating Fat Buu (straight away there is proof he is not anywere near Gohan).
Now if you add Evil Buu (just a little over double his power) you get super Buu who Goku admits would beat him and Vegeta together he says something like “if we go out there now im pretty confident he is going to kill us”,( there you have it Goku Admits he cant beat Super Buu...guess who can without trying)
Goku and Vegeta VS Super Buu part 1-3
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkZXfiS_mQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ywsSTlKVDM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=byz2ceFmsyA
Next there is the Fact Gohan breezed Super Buu no sweat this means Gohan is stronger than Goku its that simple.
Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1eROiKA0ZdM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCUGHIvcMY
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x9tAXvSznGA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WW6DdnZ-_TA
As for Kid Buu and Goku being on par did you not see that Kid Buu fights with Goku without any trouble putting him out for a round, Vegeta steps in and is beat immediatly, Goku fights him again but still cant stop him, then Vegeta holds him off again for a minute while Goku trys to gather more energy (witch he cant).
Next Fat Buu fights him for awhile giveing Vegeta time to think of an excellent plan, then Vegeta gets pumbled blocking for the spirit Bomb Goku is gathering, that is a step by step of the fight with Kid Buu, and Kid Buu wasnt even effected from any of it aside from the Spirit Bomb, Goku may have been on par in strenth but he dident even tire Buu out in the least.
Goku fought Kid Buu twice Vegeta three times and Fat Buu once, they were no match for him and i cant belive you give Goku credit for beating Majin Buu,
1. Without Vegeta they would never have wished back earth, then wished back all who died and restored Goku’s power too full, plus Vegeta bought him time more than once to recover and to summon the SB.
2. Without Hurcule earthlings would not have lended their powers to Goku in order to save the universe.
3. Without Fat Buu they would not have had time to form a plan.
4. Without Kabito Kia they would not have got too the Dragon Balls.
5. Without everone on earth helping Goku would not have beat Kid Buu.
6. But without Goku they wouldent have had the technique to win the SB.
Hence everyone beat Kid Buu, not Goku and he could not have without the help of everyone on earth, includeing Gohan.
(but still if Gohan had been taken by Kabito Kia to that world instead of Kabito being to tired from lending energy to the spirit bomb im sure he would have dominated).
so there you have it undenied proof Gohan is stronger than Goku now why dont you worry about the topic in hand, and if that isnt enough remember Trunks Goten Piccolo Supream Kia Kabito Kia and Gohan have all seen and senced Goku in SSJ3 so why attempt fighting Super Buu if he was weaker and why would Trunks Goten and Piccolo get so freaked out about his power and say that he is the strongest thing they have senced? ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 07 Nov 2007 04:09 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12 Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,670 OFFLINE | ULXR wrote:
Pete da Beast wrote:
Dont boter with him, theres no sense TALKING sense into them, either of them.
Who asked you anything?
Since when do I rely on a question to talk?
Goku SSJ3 is Inferior to Gohan.
Just listen ffs, Super Buu was owned by Gohan, yet Goku stated he was weaker than Super Buu, what do you think of this?
  | | | 07 Nov 2007 05:13 pm |
ULXR Guest | lol its really funny to me how you say Goku IS stronger anyway but dont back it up at all, when did he show even half Mystic Gohan’s ability, i mean i would belive you if it wasnt a case of you just saying Goku is stronger and expecting me to belive you.
I did… you ignored it…. Yes he didn’t show half – he showed 10 times as much.
But thats not how it works dude,
Goku SSJ3 could have killed Fat Buu if he had really TRIED, just look at that word and that my freind is the ever loveing truth Goku would have some difficulty in defeating Fat Buu (straight away there is proof he is not anywere near Gohan).
HE WAS BREEZING HIM… Goku was TOYING with him and he still breezed past him. Fat Buu couldn’t touch him… Meaning he’s way stronger than Gohan. The truth my friend is that Kid Buu far outsrips anything Gohan even did and if Goku was on par with him…
Now if you add Evil Buu (just a little over double his power) you get super Buu who Goku admits would beat him and Vegeta together he says something like “if we go out there now im pretty confident he is going to kill us”,( there you have it Goku Admits he cant beat Super Buu...guess who can without trying)
It’s the same. (Fat Buu = Super Buu) Goku was in SSJ when he said this…hmm…
Goku and Vegeta VS Super Buu part 1-3
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hpkZXfiS_mQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ywsSTlKVDM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=byz2ceFmsyA
Non-canon.
Next there is the Fact Gohan breezed Super Buu no sweat this means Gohan is stronger than Goku its that simple.
Too bad his dad never fought him.
Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1eROiKA0ZdM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCUGHIvcMY
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x9tAXvSznGA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WW6DdnZ-_TA
Non-canon.
As for Kid Buu and Goku being on par did you not see that Kid Buu fights with Goku without any trouble putting him out for a round, Vegeta steps in and is beat immediatly, Goku fights him again but still cant stop him, then Vegeta holds him off again for a minute while Goku trys to gather more energy (witch he cant).
Goku WASTED his own energy… Kid Buu didn’t make him lose it… Even Fat Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>> an army of SSJ2’s as stated by Piccolo. You proved nothing.
Next Fat Buu fights him for awhile giveing Vegeta time to think of an excellent plan, then Vegeta gets pumbled blocking for the spirit Bomb Goku is gathering, that is a step by step of the fight with Kid Buu, and Kid Buu wasnt even effected from any of it aside from the Spirit Bomb, Goku may have been on par in strenth but he dident even tire Buu out in the least.
Kid Buu didn’t tire Goku – all he managed to do was bruise him a little even after throwing out hits that would have wasted Goku.
Goku fought Kid Buu twice Vegeta three times and Fat Buu once, they were no match for him and i cant belive you give Goku credit for beating Majin Buu,
Goku was ON PAR with him. Buu and Vegeta wouldn’t be a match for even Fat Buu.
1. Without Vegeta they would never have wished back earth, then wished back all who died and restored Goku’s power too full, plus Vegeta bought him time more than once to recover and to summon the SB.
His power was charged to full AFTER finisging the SSB. Try again.
2. Without Hurcule earthlings would not have lended their powers to Goku in order to save the universe.
So? If Goku had full power- he would not have needed the SSB.
3. Without Fat Buu they would not have had time to form a plan.
Goku was an idiot. You can’t say he wouldn’t have beaten Kid Buu.
4. Without Kabito Kia they would not have got too the Dragon Balls.
Yes they would’ve. Goku could have IT’ed.
5. Without everone on earth helping Goku would not have beat Kid Buu.
So????
6. But without Goku they wouldent have had the technique to win the SB.
Exactly. Too bad Goku could have wasted him in a fist fight,.
Hence everyone beat Kid Buu, not Goku and he could not have without the help of everyone on earth, includeing Gohan.
Goku could have, Gohan couldn’t have. Enough said.
(but still if Gohan had been taken by Kabito Kia to that world instead of Kabito being to tired from lending energy to the spirit bomb im sure he would have dominated).
Ur a fucking fanboy. You ignore all that I post and just repost everything I have refuted. I have nothing more to say to you.
so there you have it undenied proof Gohan is stronger than Goku now why dont you worry about the topic in hand, and if that isnt enough remember Trunks Goten Piccolo Supream Kia Kabito Kia and Gohan have all seen and senced Goku in SSJ3 so why attempt fighting Super Buu if he was weaker and why would Trunks Goten and Piccolo get so freaked out about his power and say that he is the strongest thing they have senced?
Goku stayed in SSJ since Vegeta wsa PISSED AS FUCK at him for hiding SSJ3…He would have touched a nerve. He didn’t even power to SSJ2. They said it was the strongest VILLAIN. | | | 07 Nov 2007 06:00 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Im not being a fanboy lol its just solid facts vs denial
here take it like this...
Gohan becomes Mystic in the Manga Goku “whoa unreal, i wonder if even this power can be surpassed”
Anouncer: “and with his power raised to unheard of levels Gohan Returns to earth as its hero once again”
Gohan arrives back on earth Piccolo “what is this power its mind boggleing, but what is it ive never experianced a power like this before its outrageously strong, boys stay close it could be a new enemy”.
Gohan, Supream Kia, Kabeito, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks sence Goku go SSJ3 against Fat Buu, why would thy think Gohan was way stronger when he go’s Mystic?
Goku inside Super Buu’s head “wow feel that decrease, but even tho his powers droped alot we are still no match for him if we go out there he is going to kill us”
As for Kid Buu doing way more impressive things than Gohan...such as oh he destroyed a planet wow did you know Cell (half SSJ2 Gohans power) could wipe out a Solar System) sure Kid Buu is alot stronger than Cell but think about it why would Gohan blow up earth again?, and its called controlling your power.
Goku to Vegeta “thats way to much energy to be for us, he must be trying to destroy the planet”, Buu could breath in space Goku cannot so thats why he douse not destroy worlds heck even Vegeta at Power level 18,000 is planet destroying so what did you prove here that good guys hold back evil Buu like shitheads dont lol. ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 07 Nov 2007 06:34 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | And Goku dident breeze Fat Buu he complements his fighting and says he is to much of a gifted fighter to be controlled by a coward like Bobadi,
Goku could beat Fat Buu but it would have been difficult he tells Piccolo that he may never of stood a chance who knows cus Majin Buu isnt an ordinary opponent, plus the fact Majin Buu wasnt even hurt and was haveing the time of his life fighting Goku and dident want him to leave (Majin Buu says “me like u, ur strong” Goku “thanx so are you”.
Here: Fat Buu hitting Goku lol/Remember Gohan can flawlessly beat the much stronger vertion Goku is affraid of.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVqa5oV9Jc ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 07 Nov 2007 07:35 pm |
ULXR Guest | Omg...still in denial...
Wanna know something?
The term called who’s daddy was coined...
When SSJ3 Goku pimp slapped Gohan so hard that he flew into orbit, circled the Sun, then came back to Earth!
Kyle Knight wrote:
Im not being a fanboy lol its just solid facts vs denial
Yes you are! I’m the one who tells fact after fact of hard evidence of Goku being able to pwn Gohan and you deny that that is true. You blow away all my reasons than post all your bullshit reasons... (while, I admire you giving your opinion and all yeah but all you have is speculation againt my cold, hard truth)
Kyle Knight wrote:
here take it like this...
Ok...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan becomes Mystic in the Manga Goku “whoa unreal, i wonder if even this power can be surpassed”
Never happened. If it did show me a scan. I also have a scan of EVERYONE being scared of SSJ3.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Anouncer: “and with his power raised to unheard of levels Gohan Returns to earth as its hero once again”
Once again unheard levels FOR Gohan. Goku WASN’T trying aginst Fat Buu at all meainign he was NOWHERE near full power but far stronger than his son still.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan arrives back on earth Piccolo “what is this power its mind boggleing, but what is it ive never experianced a power like this before its outrageously strong, boys stay close it could be a new enemy”.
No he didn’t. All he said was, “This power...It’s Goku!"
Goten: No, it’s my big bro!"
The fact that full power Gohan was mistaken for Goku (while not even trying) shows just how big the power gap is.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan, Supream Kia, Kabeito, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks sence Goku go SSJ3 against Fat Buu, why would thy think Gohan was way stronger when he go’s Mystic?
Wtf r u trying to say here? They’ve SEEN Goku at “full” power - Goku was toying with Fat Buu but they don’t know that. Then they sense Gohan going Mystic (at full power ftw) and they mistake him for Goku...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku inside Super Buu’s head “wow feel that decrease, but even tho his powers droped alot we are still no match for him if we go out there he is going to kill us”
They were in SSJ. And you’re being retarded again. I just countered this exact statement before. Do you even read my posts? Vegeta was pissed at Goku for hiding SSJ3 from him and this would have created a huge rift between them. It got so bad that Vegeta nearly didn’t fuse with Goku to save his own life. Goku tried ki blasting Super Buu in SSJ and nothing much happened... He said they were gonna die (in SSJ1) and they were. Even them in SSJ2 would have gotten slaughtered since even AN ARMY of SSJ2’s couldn’t beat FAT BUU. Goku couldn’t fight at SSJ3 since Vegeta was with him at the time, they would have lost in SSJ2. And in case you’re wondering Goku SSJ2 >>> Vegeta SSJ2 >>>>>>>>Gohan SSJ2.
Kyle Knight wrote:
As for Kid Buu doing way more impressive things than Gohan...such as oh he destroyed a planet wow did you know Cell (half SSJ2 Gohans power) could wipe out a Solar System) sure Kid Buu is alot stronger than Cell but think about it why would Gohan blow up earth again?, and its called controlling your power.
Yeah, Goku and Kid Buu’s Super kamehamehas have enough power to destroy the universe or hella galaxies at least. Kid Buu can control himself...he didn’t try to blow up the Kai planet.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku to Vegeta “thats way to much energy to be for us, he must be trying to destroy the planet”, Buu could breath in space Goku cannot so thats why he douse not destroy worlds heck even Vegeta at Power level 18,000 is planet destroying so what did you prove here that good guys hold back evil Buu like shitheads dont lol.
Exactly. Goku does - nobody else does. All I gotta say. Oh wait Kid Buu was the only villain (other than Frieza who eventually cut loose too) to hold back for the whole time (Cell too for a short time) unlike anyody else, even all other incarnations of Buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
And Goku dident breeze Fat Buu he complements his fighting and says he is to much of a gifted fighter to be controlled by a coward like Bobadi,
Just because he’s competent doesn’t mean he’s that strong. Once again Goku was TOYING with him and Buu STILL barely landed anything on Goku...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku could beat Fat Buu but it would have been difficult he tells Piccolo that he may never of stood a chance who knows cus Majin Buu isnt an ordinary opponent, plus the fact Majin Buu wasnt even hurt and was haveing the time of his life fighting Goku and dident want him to leave (Majin Buu says “me like u, ur strong” Goku “thanx so are you”.
He was complimenting him since he kicked just about eveyne’s asss but him. He never said he wouldn’t stand a chance. Piccolo goes where you holdin back? Goku said yeah, how’d you guess? I was trying to help the new generation so they can take care of themselves. Piccolo goes you amaze me as always. The point? Goku was LETTING the kids do the work in this fight but guess what? HE had to fight and destroy Kid Buu - nobody else.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Here: Fat Buu hitting Goku lol/Remember Gohan can flawlessly beat the much stronger vertion Goku is affraid of.
Super Buu’s NOT stronger, just better at fighting. Goku was afraid of him in the FIRST level of SSJ... Hmm....
How about this. If Gohan and Gotenks really WERE sronger than him, he woulda saved THEM rather than Hercules. But he figured that only he could beat him and let the four die quickly instead of getting them slaugtered by Kid Buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVqa5oV9Jc
Non canon.
You ignore EVERYTHING I say. If Gohan or Gotenks coulda done it, Goku would have let them fight Buu. But he goes, you’re gonna bring Gohan AND Gotenks to help fight Kid Buu. See? Them TOGETHER and still not fighitng Kid Buu but rather HELPING ALONG from the side. Goku alone was the only being in the universe who could go on par and toe to toe with that crazy ass djinn and live. Vegeta and Mr. Buu got PWNED. Goku’s a gangester unlike the rest.
You know what, this is my ace in the hole... There is evidence that throughout the Buu saga, Goku’s trys to draw out Gohan and Gotenk’s power. He encourages them to fight and lets them fight the biggest threat alive at that time. Fat Buu was too strong for either at that time so he pwned him. But he practically MADE Gotenks fight Super Buu and entrusted Gohan with everyone’s lives now that him and Vegeta were dead. That shows Gohan was capable of taking on Super Buu and the most powerful Z fighter (alive) He left his legacy and honor to Gohan. But Kid Buu scared him, he knew even Gohan wouldn’t stand a chance anyways so he LET HIM DIE AND SAVED THE WORTHLESS MR.SATAN AND A DOG over him, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo. He WANTS to draw out his son’s power sure, but he knows when he is in over his head. He let Gohan fight Cell since he was confident Gohan could win but he never thought Cell would transform into SPC. Same here, he didn’t know Super Buu had an even more powerful and even MORE dangerous form: Kid Buu. Then when he has no energy left, Vegeta’s drained, Mr. Buu’s at the brink of death - he suggests to get BOTH Gohan and Gotenks and for them to HELP us. If he fought Kid Buu on par ALONE, and Gohan was actually stronger - he wouldn’t risk his son’s life (especialy one who had died already before and was only 7 years old) to HELP his “stronger” big brother AND the rest. Why would he want to help his son, if he had almost no energy, his man Vegeta was almost dead and the noble Mr. buu was nearly screwed as well unless he knew even Gohan AND Gotenks fighting Kid Buu alongside with their almost completely wasted friends/family was a LOST cause. Goku alone could do MUCH more - not even at his max or peak so he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Gohan. | | | 08 Nov 2007 03:26 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | SSJ3 Goku is strong enough to kill skinny buu... but the period time for him at this state is too short...
Gohan maybe powerfull... but the kaioo only bring vegeta not gohan???
Gohan dont like fighting and his power becoming decrease by the time... at the end of the buu saga... goku show his powerfull form fighting kid buu in time and space chamber...
SSJ3 gotenks did not shock the time and space chamber when fightin Skinny Buu but for goku at that time when goku fighting uub it cause shocking even the entire place of Dende...
Which mean Goku at the end of buu saga is more powerfull than mystic gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks...
Time and space chamber is another dimension... even at the another dimension... goku vs uub causing pretty well shocking wave to the dende palace... ---
 
“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 08 Nov 2007 03:21 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
SSJ3 Goku is strong enough to kill skinny buu... but the period time for him at this state is too short...
Gohan maybe powerfull... but the kaioo only bring vegeta not gohan???
Gohan dont like fighting and his power becoming decrease by the time... at the end of the buu saga... goku show his powerfull form fighting kid buu in time and space chamber...
SSJ3 gotenks did not shock the time and space chamber when fightin Skinny Buu but for goku at that time when goku fighting uub it cause shocking even the entire place of Dende...
Which mean Goku at the end of buu saga is more powerfull than mystic gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks...
Time and space chamber is another dimension... even at the another dimension... goku vs uub causing pretty well shocking wave to the dende palace...
Wow that would be a real nice post and all apart from 1 problem...Piccolo destroyed the door to the Hyperbolic time chamber in DBZ there was noway back there...nice try tho
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 08 Nov 2007 03:51 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | ULXR wrote:
Omg...still in denial...
Wanna know something?
The term called who’s daddy was coined...
When SSJ3 Goku pimp slapped Gohan so hard that he flew into orbit, circled the Sun, then came back to Earth!
Kyle Knight wrote:
Im not being a fanboy lol its just solid facts vs denial
Yes you are! I’m the one who tells fact after fact of hard evidence of Goku being able to pwn Gohan and you deny that that is true. You blow away all my reasons than post all your bullshit reasons... (while, I admire you giving your opinion and all yeah but all you have is speculation againt my cold, hard truth)
Kyle Knight wrote:
here take it like this...
Ok...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan becomes Mystic in the Manga Goku “whoa unreal, i wonder if even this power can be surpassed”
Never happened. If it did show me a scan. I also have a scan of EVERYONE being scared of SSJ3.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Anouncer: “and with his power raised to unheard of levels Gohan Returns to earth as its hero once again”
Once again unheard levels FOR Gohan. Goku WASN’T trying aginst Fat Buu at all meainign he was NOWHERE near full power but far stronger than his son still.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan arrives back on earth Piccolo “what is this power its mind boggleing, but what is it ive never experianced a power like this before its outrageously strong, boys stay close it could be a new enemy”.
No he didn’t. All he said was, “This power...It’s Goku!"
Goten: No, it’s my big bro!"
The fact that full power Gohan was mistaken for Goku (while not even trying) shows just how big the power gap is.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan, Supream Kia, Kabeito, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks sence Goku go SSJ3 against Fat Buu, why would thy think Gohan was way stronger when he go’s Mystic?
Wtf r u trying to say here? They’ve SEEN Goku at “full” power - Goku was toying with Fat Buu but they don’t know that. Then they sense Gohan going Mystic (at full power ftw) and they mistake him for Goku...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku inside Super Buu’s head “wow feel that decrease, but even tho his powers droped alot we are still no match for him if we go out there he is going to kill us”
They were in SSJ. And you’re being retarded again. I just countered this exact statement before. Do you even read my posts? Vegeta was pissed at Goku for hiding SSJ3 from him and this would have created a huge rift between them. It got so bad that Vegeta nearly didn’t fuse with Goku to save his own life. Goku tried ki blasting Super Buu in SSJ and nothing much happened... He said they were gonna die (in SSJ1) and they were. Even them in SSJ2 would have gotten slaughtered since even AN ARMY of SSJ2’s couldn’t beat FAT BUU. Goku couldn’t fight at SSJ3 since Vegeta was with him at the time, they would have lost in SSJ2. And in case you’re wondering Goku SSJ2 >>> Vegeta SSJ2 >>>>>>>>Gohan SSJ2.
Kyle Knight wrote:
As for Kid Buu doing way more impressive things than Gohan...such as oh he destroyed a planet wow did you know Cell (half SSJ2 Gohans power) could wipe out a Solar System) sure Kid Buu is alot stronger than Cell but think about it why would Gohan blow up earth again?, and its called controlling your power.
Yeah, Goku and Kid Buu’s Super kamehamehas have enough power to destroy the universe or hella galaxies at least. Kid Buu can control himself...he didn’t try to blow up the Kai planet.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku to Vegeta “thats way to much energy to be for us, he must be trying to destroy the planet”, Buu could breath in space Goku cannot so thats why he douse not destroy worlds heck even Vegeta at Power level 18,000 is planet destroying so what did you prove here that good guys hold back evil Buu like shitheads dont lol.
Exactly. Goku does - nobody else does. All I gotta say. Oh wait Kid Buu was the only villain (other than Frieza who eventually cut loose too) to hold back for the whole time (Cell too for a short time) unlike anyody else, even all other incarnations of Buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
And Goku dident breeze Fat Buu he complements his fighting and says he is to much of a gifted fighter to be controlled by a coward like Bobadi,
Just because he’s competent doesn’t mean he’s that strong. Once again Goku was TOYING with him and Buu STILL barely landed anything on Goku...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku could beat Fat Buu but it would have been difficult he tells Piccolo that he may never of stood a chance who knows cus Majin Buu isnt an ordinary opponent, plus the fact Majin Buu wasnt even hurt and was haveing the time of his life fighting Goku and dident want him to leave (Majin Buu says “me like u, ur strong” Goku “thanx so are you”.
He was complimenting him since he kicked just about eveyne’s asss but him. He never said he wouldn’t stand a chance. Piccolo goes where you holdin back? Goku said yeah, how’d you guess? I was trying to help the new generation so they can take care of themselves. Piccolo goes you amaze me as always. The point? Goku was LETTING the kids do the work in this fight but guess what? HE had to fight and destroy Kid Buu - nobody else.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Here: Fat Buu hitting Goku lol/Remember Gohan can flawlessly beat the much stronger vertion Goku is affraid of.
Super Buu’s NOT stronger, just better at fighting. Goku was afraid of him in the FIRST level of SSJ... Hmm....
How about this. If Gohan and Gotenks really WERE sronger than him, he woulda saved THEM rather than Hercules. But he figured that only he could beat him and let the four die quickly instead of getting them slaugtered by Kid Buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVqa5oV9Jc
Non canon.
You ignore EVERYTHING I say. If Gohan or Gotenks coulda done it, Goku would have let them fight Buu. But he goes, you’re gonna bring Gohan AND Gotenks to help fight Kid Buu. See? Them TOGETHER and still not fighitng Kid Buu but rather HELPING ALONG from the side. Goku alone was the only being in the universe who could go on par and toe to toe with that crazy ass djinn and live. Vegeta and Mr. Buu got PWNED. Goku’s a gangester unlike the rest.
You know what, this is my ace in the hole... There is evidence that throughout the Buu saga, Goku’s trys to draw out Gohan and Gotenk’s power. He encourages them to fight and lets them fight the biggest threat alive at that time. Fat Buu was too strong for either at that time so he pwned him. But he practically MADE Gotenks fight Super Buu and entrusted Gohan with everyone’s lives now that him and Vegeta were dead. That shows Gohan was capable of taking on Super Buu and the most powerful Z fighter (alive) He left his legacy and honor to Gohan. But Kid Buu scared him, he knew even Gohan wouldn’t stand a chance anyways so he LET HIM DIE AND SAVED THE WORTHLESS MR.SATAN AND A DOG over him, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo. He WANTS to draw out his son’s power sure, but he knows when he is in over his head. He let Gohan fight Cell since he was confident Gohan could win but he never thought Cell would transform into SPC. Same here, he didn’t know Super Buu had an even more powerful and even MORE dangerous form: Kid Buu. Then when he has no energy left, Vegeta’s drained, Mr. Buu’s at the brink of death - he suggests to get BOTH Gohan and Gotenks and for them to HELP us. If he fought Kid Buu on par ALONE, and Gohan was actually stronger - he wouldn’t risk his son’s life (especialy one who had died already before and was only 7 years old) to HELP his “stronger” big brother AND the rest. Why would he want to help his son, if he had almost no energy, his man Vegeta was almost dead and the noble Mr. buu was nearly screwed as well unless he knew even Gohan AND Gotenks fighting Kid Buu alongside with their almost completely wasted friends/family was a LOST cause. Goku alone could do MUCH more - not even at his max or peak so he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Gohan.
Lets stick with one issue and then move on ok, we will present our facts on this Issue ok.
First Issue Buu’s power (basically you prove Buu’s power never grew and i prove it did ok).
Grey Buu over Fat Buu (Grey Buu totally over power’s Fat Buu he dousent even get hit he overpowered his Kamehameha wave proveing to be more powerful)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1kRqFVeUYwM
Super Buu over Fat Buu (near the end Piccolo says “are you crazy he would anialate Gotenk’s, we have never encountered anything like him before, we need something more Goten and Trunks need to breakthrough” 
Also bare in Mind SSJ Gotenk’s is enough to beat Fat Buu.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9ebXGCWqo9s
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 08 Nov 2007 06:08 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Lets stick with one issue and then move on ok, we will present our facts on this Issue ok.
Ok.
First Issue Buu’s power (basically you prove Buu’s power never grew and i prove it did ok).
You can try...
Grey Buu over Fat Buu (Grey Buu totally over power’s Fat Buu he dousent even get hit he overpowered his Kamehameha wave proveing to be more powerful)
That never happened in the manga.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1kRqFVeUYwM
NON-CANON. We’re going by CANON. Try again. In the real one the skinny one sends the fat one’s chocolate attack back at him.
Super Buu over Fat Buu (near the end Piccolo says “are you crazy he would anialate Gotenk’s, we have never encountered anything like him before, we need something more Goten and Trunks need to breakthrough”
No, he didn’t. He said it was more DANGEROUS and SMARTER, never stronger.
Also bare in Mind SSJ Gotenk’s is enough to beat Fat Buu.
No...SSJ Gotenks got his ass whooped so bad that he came back bleeding and bruised.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9ebXGCWqo9s
Non-canon.
| | | 08 Nov 2007 07:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
Lets stick with one issue and then move on ok, we will present our facts on this Issue ok.
Ok.
First Issue Buu’s power (basically you prove Buu’s power never grew and i prove it did ok).
You can try...
Grey Buu over Fat Buu (Grey Buu totally over power’s Fat Buu he dousent even get hit he overpowered his Kamehameha wave proveing to be more powerful)
That never happened in the manga.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1kRqFVeUYwM
NON-CANON. We’re going by CANON. Try again. In the real one the skinny one sends the fat one’s chocolate attack back at him.
Super Buu over Fat Buu (near the end Piccolo says “are you crazy he would anialate Gotenk’s, we have never encountered anything like him before, we need something more Goten and Trunks need to breakthrough”
No, he didn’t. He said it was more DANGEROUS and SMARTER, never stronger.
Also bare in Mind SSJ Gotenk’s is enough to beat Fat Buu.
No...SSJ Gotenks got his ass whooped so bad that he came back bleeding and bruised.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9ebXGCWqo9s
Non-canon.
I see could you post a scan of the battle with Grey Buu and Fat Buu then if we arnt useing non cannon soz but to disprove me you must show these events never happened in the Manga cannon kk.
oh and SSJ Gotenks dousent fight fat Buu base Gotenks douse.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QlicbC3IknM
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 08 Nov 2007 07:16 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
I see could you post a scan of the battle with Grey Buu and Fat Buu then if we arnt useing non cannon soz but to disprove me you must show these events never happened in the Manga cannon kk.
Why the hell would I post the whole series for you? If it did happen, then you better find those scans and show it did. I’m not gonna paste like 100 pages worth of info. Find the scans yourself - you’re arguement.
oh and SSJ Gotenks dousent fight fat Buu base Gotenks douse.
SSJ Gotenks does and he STILL loses.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QlicbC3IknM
Non-canon...
| | | 08 Nov 2007 07:20 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | ill down load the manga lol ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 08 Nov 2007 07:26 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
ill down load the manga lol
You do that.
| | | 08 Nov 2007 07:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | done ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 08 Nov 2007 07:31 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
done
This better be good.
| | | 08 Nov 2007 07:32 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | what the manga ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | | 08 Nov 2007 07:34 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 2,190 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
what the manga
Anything you’ve got. Before you said you were gonna tackle my arguements. You haven’t countered a single one as of yet.
| | | 08 Nov 2007 07:37 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | erm well what issue would you like me to tackle, name something that shows Goku is stronger and ill disprove it kk ---
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