Nice. I’m not Christian but Athiest. But only in the sense I don’t believe in a god. None of this other crap or assumed stuff they believe in. Simply don’t believe in a god and that’s it.
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
I am, but I rarely debate religiously because I’ve found it to be ineffective. In matters of religion most people are very close minded, and trying to have an open frank discussion frightens and intimdates them.
derdev789 wrote:
I am, but I rarely debate religiously because I’ve found it to be ineffective. In matters of religion most people are very close minded, and trying to have an open frank discussion frightens and intimdates them.
Cha, certain person’s sheer hard-headed-ness has kept me from getting involved in any religious debates.
Look it wouldn’t be so bad if people out there did the kind of research I have done. I’ve read a lot of the Torah and a lot of the Koran, I have studied Hindu books and even picked up a Budhist book today that I might start reading. I know my stuff. I know a lot about world religions. But when you come in, making bold judgements off of religious steriotypes, then all discussion goes out the window and it turns into a flame war.
Weasel 16 wrote:
atheism is a religon on its self now
No it’s not. You don’t see buildings around town saying, “Church of Atheism”.
No, that’s what Yale and Berkley are for... oh and the whole of the EU.
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
derdev789 wrote:
Look it wouldn’t be so bad if people out there did the kind of research I have done. I’ve read a lot of the Torah and a lot of the Koran, I have studied Hindu books and even picked up a Budhist book today that I might start reading. I know my stuff. I know a lot about world religions. But when you come in, making bold judgements off of religious steriotypes, then all discussion goes out the window and it turns into a flame war.
Not true. The reason you get flamed in a religous debate is because the only facts and evidence you cite is scripture. You obviously only researched one side rather then both.
Debate with me. I will win and not even have to flame you.
Yeah seriously I kind of agree with Daredev, you need to be aware of all the religious aspects before you start making judgements.
I think athiests are actually the close-minded ones because those who are religious are opening themselves up to the fact that maybe there is someone who watches over us, performs miracles and maybe there is someone who is responsible for the creation of this planet.
Scientists haven’t fully figured out why miracles happen, nor have they figured out the entire chronology of how the planet was created. Since theres no logical explanations, how are athiests claims any more relevant than religious claims? Hmm ?
Also, religion gives people hope. Hope that we don’t just live our lives just to die and be dust in the ground. There are also some religious aspects that are backed by archeology discoveries, anthropologist studies, etc.
Your probably pointing out that Anthropologists believe in evolution , but there are two types of anthropology and the second is the study of cultures and civilisations.
And evolution may be a factor in atheistic claims but even if evolution is true, it still doesn’t rule out everything the bible is saying.
Some people need structure and guidance in their lives, and religion gives them that, if they’re happy, leave them alone.
Yeah seriously I kind of agree with Daredev, you need to be aware of all the religious aspects before you start making judgements.
I think athiests are actually the close-minded ones because those who are religious are opening themselves up to the fact that maybe there is someone who watches over us, performs miracles and maybe there is someone who is responsible for the creation of this planet.
Scientists haven’t fully figured out why miracles happen, nor have they figured out the entire chronology of how the planet was created. Since theres no logical explanations, how are athiests claims any more relevant than religious claims? Hmm ?
Also, religion gives people hope. Hope that we don’t just live our lives just to die and be dust in the ground. There are also some religious aspects that are backed by archeology discoveries, anthropologist studies, etc.
Your probably pointing out that Anthropologists believe in evolution , but there are two types of anthropology and the second is the study of cultures and civilisations.
And evolution may be a factor in atheistic claims but even if evolution is true, it still doesn’t rule out everything the bible is saying.
Some people need structure and guidance in their lives, and religion gives them that, if they’re happy, leave them alone.
I have to disagree with baybe. If you think atheists are close-minded then I’m sorry, but the truth is most atheists only seem close minded. I know quite a few atheists who were once Christians including myself, so we know what we’re talking about.
In fact IMO, how would atheists who were once theists close-minded? Obviously to become an atheist they would have had to open themselves to evidence they had never seen before when they were still theists. They believed in god yet they still accepted the fact that they might be wrong, and we still do, although we don’t think it’s likely.
Most theists however, are dogmatic about their religion. You will see theists interpret the Bible in one way and then in a completely different way so it would go with anything they’re saying. I’m usually surprised if I meet a theist who is willing that it is possible that they may be wrong.
ramunematt wrote:
I have to disagree with baybe. If you think atheists are close-minded then I’m sorry, but the truth is most atheists only seem close minded. I know quite a few atheists who were once Christians including myself, so we know what we’re talking about.
In fact IMO, how would atheists who were once theists close-minded? Obviously to become an atheist they would have had to open themselves to evidence they had never seen before when they were still theists. They believed in god yet they still accepted the fact that they might be wrong, and we still do, although we don’t think it’s likely.
Most theists however, are dogmatic about their religion. You will see theists interpret the Bible in one way and then in a completely different way so it would go with anything they’re saying. I’m usually surprised if I meet a theist who is willing that it is possible that they may be wrong.
Oh I definately agree. A lot of people who are theists are close minded, and I completely accept that. If you hadn’t noticed I’ve talked out against anybody who’s talked like that on this site. Because I find that close-mindedness makes me and other christians look horrible by proxy.
Personally I am very conflicted in my beliefs. But that’s what makes the entire experiance so entertaining. I don’t know for SURE that creation is true, in fact I have seriously debated with myself weather the theory of evolution through divine intervention is the truth behind the truth.
Studying the bible is HARD, because in my opinion you really have to dig to figure out what is MENT by scripture. If you take every word of the bible litterally, then your going to be confused as hell once you hit Revelations. Much of the bible is ment figuratively, and a lot of the bible was written specifically to deal with problems going on at the time of it’s writting. So you have to sift out truth, possible get the message BEHIND one of God’s laws instead of blindly following the law itself.
I suppose I’m not making all too much sense, it’s because I really feel drained, the longest I’ve spent home is about 2 hours in the last week or two, and I’m at the point where I can barely finish up my homework before it’s due, not out of procrastination, but out of being able to find a time when I can even work on it. That’s a lot of the reason why I haven’t been on here in a while. I do wish to continue our debates though. And for the guy who said all I used is scripture. You obviously haven’t debated me buddy, 'cause you’d be hiding in a corner wallowing in self pity if you had.
Scientists haven’t fully figured out why miracles happen, nor have they figured out the entire chronology of how the planet was created. Since theres no logical explanations, how are athiests claims any more relevant than religious claims? Hmm ?
Look in the back of any 12th grade geography book.
What Miracles?
And for the guy who said all I used is scripture. You obviously haven’t debated me buddy, 'cause you’d be hiding in a corner wallowing in self pity if you had.
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