Well kinda random or not to the topic but anyways what I’ve noticed is a lot of people who have either broken away from their starting religion seem to be a lot more open minded. My psychology behind this is these people are not only more willing to see things from a different perspective but also quicker to believe something that is different. This has to do with the breaking away of something trying to be put into them to start off and now they have little trust in anything.
This is why you’ll see most people who have torn away from a previous religion and are now agnostic, diest, or athiest can go and watch things such as the Zeitgeist movie and be able to watch it completely with an open mind. Whereas if someone who came in who was completely secure with their religion/theology tend to have a harder time of looking at what is presented and tend to stop while it’s playing and question what is being said instead of listen to it all the way through.
There are good and bad things about the scenarios I stated. As if you are extremely open minded you are sometimes to willing to accept something that just comes up next which is not a good quality. While questioning everything is the route to go. While the bad side on the people who are secure and close minded question but they don’t tend to question everything fairly and too unwilling to see others perspectives.
Luckily there are a few people out there that can go out and question everything with an open mind. Too bad there are hardly any people out there left like that.
i believe in the great journey!
*arbiter walks up and whispers in ear*
never mind it was false religeon!
i believe in... *whispers in arbiters ear, arbiter whispers back*
buhddism!
Zucas wrote:
Nice. I’m not Christian but Athiest. But only in the sense I don’t believe in a god. None of this other crap or assumed stuff they believe in. Simply don’t believe in a god and that’s it.
me too, I mean Jesus had awesome ideas that brought ppl together and so did Mohammed
but the idea of believing in a magical being is not for me
and I find it ilogical (< did I spell it right?)
im am christain! and the lord is my savior ! i use to be athiest and people would be like wtf and i ignore them !all athiest people remeber you may be athiset but people who arent dont want bad commets ! i love christ
Shaniqua_loves_steven wrote:
im am christain! and the lord is my savior ! i use to be athiest and people would be like wtf and i ignore them !all athiest people remeber you may be athiset but people who arent dont want bad commets ! i love christ
his name was’t “christ” fyi, christ means “the anointed one”
his REAL name however wasnt Jesus either.. just in case you’re interested
it was “Yeshua bin Yusuf” .. so much for your lurve baby
I pretty much agree with derdev in that people just don’t know. Ignorance pretty much leads the debates. Usually, its ignorance of the religion being debated.
Hell, I can’t even guess the number of times I’ve seen atheists and theists alike use scripture completely out of context. Not that I know the Bible by heart, because I’m not all that well educated (which is why I don’t debate it often) on the Bible. But upon looking up these scriptures, usually preceding or seceding text pretty much debunks what they’ve said, or leads for more logical interpretation.
Its not that any one group is close minded. People are just ignorant, and it drives this. Atheists don’t really study the Bible and theists just go on what they were told in church, which is repetitive and does little to truly TEACH what’s in the Bible. Naturally, there are exceptions, but that is how it would be more likely than not in usual settings.
derdev789 wrote:
I am, but I rarely debate religiously because I’ve found it to be ineffective. In matters of religion most people are very close minded, and trying to have an open frank discussion frightens and intimdates them.
I agree. Oh, if yall haven’t figured it out yet I’m a christian and it just so happens that my first name is Christian, coincidence? I think not.
derdev789 wrote:
I am, but I rarely debate religiously because I’ve found it to be ineffective. In matters of religion most people are very close minded, and trying to have an open frank discussion frightens and intimdates them.
I agree. Oh, if yall haven’t figured it out yet I’m a christian and it just so happens that my first name is Christian, coincidence? I think not.
No, it’s definitely not. If your parents are christians, most likely, they raised you as one too.
--- I’m determined to live forever, or die trying. - Yossarian
RageOverdose wrote:
I pretty much agree with derdev in that people just don’t know. Ignorance pretty much leads the debates. Usually, its ignorance of the religion being debated.
Hell, I can’t even guess the number of times I’ve seen atheists and theists alike use scripture completely out of context. Not that I know the Bible by heart, because I’m not all that well educated (which is why I don’t debate it often) on the Bible. But upon looking up these scriptures, usually preceding or seceding text pretty much debunks what they’ve said, or leads for more logical interpretation.
Its not that any one group is close minded. People are just ignorant, and it drives this. Atheists don’t really study the Bible and theists just go on what they were told in church, which is repetitive and does little to truly TEACH what’s in the Bible. Naturally, there are exceptions, but that is how it would be more likely than not in usual settings.
I think it’s more effective to just use logic to debate religion. No one really cares what verse you looked up because you can always refute that by saying something about context or taking it literally or the time period it’s from or how it’s mistranslated. The list goes on and on. But how would you refute the fact that god created the devil? Or that he created the devil knowing all the pain and suffering he would cause the beings he created in his own image and supposedly loves?
Anyone got some answers?
--- I’m determined to live forever, or die trying. - Yossarian
me too, I mean Jesus had awesome ideas that brought ppl together and so did Mohammed
but the idea of believing in a magical being is not for me
and I find it ilogical (< did I spell it right?)
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There are things that our mind cant reach that state...
Have you ever seen knife comes out from tree or snakes or scorpio comes out from someone mouth???
But not logical things but that’s happen alright...
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I think it’s more effective to just use logic to debate religion. No one really cares what verse you looked up because you can always refute that by saying something about context or taking it literally or the time period it’s from or how it’s mistranslated. The list goes on and on. But how would you refute the fact that god created the devil? Or that he created the devil knowing all the pain and suffering he would cause the beings he created in his own image and supposedly loves?
Anyone got some answers?
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God not created devil but the devil himself created him like we know now... The devil has been told to kneel down in front of Adam but he refuse... then 4JJI banished him and cursed him coz his attitude againts His order...
The Devil know how powerfull 4JJI is and he know 4JJI better than anyone of us... The he said this: I’ll block people who want to know you from front, back, left and right. But 4JJI said that you may try but I will give the people book(s) that will follow the right path and you may take the wrong path people...
So there are Zabur, Taurat, Bible(Injil) and Qur’an for us to know the right path... and the wrong path choose not to believe in God...
The path to heaven is full of pain and suffering
but the path to hell full of pleasure and desires.
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God not created devil but the devil himself created him like we know now... The devil has been told to kneel down in front of Adam but he refuse... then 4JJI banished him and cursed him coz his attitude againts His order...
The Devil know how powerfull 4JJI is and he know 4JJI better than anyone of us... The he said this: I’ll block people who want to know you from front, back, left and right. But 4JJI said that you may try but I will give the people book(s) that will follow the right path and you may take the wrong path people...
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So there are Zabur, Taurat, Bible(Injil) and Qur’an for us to know the right path... and the wrong path choose not to believe in God...
The path to heaven is full of pain and suffering
but the path to hell full of pleasure and desires.
But that goes completely against the Bible (I can’t argue against other religions). God created all the angels (not to mention everything else). The devil was at one time an angel, so how did he create himself?
And who/what is 4JJI? I haven’t heard it before.
--- I’m determined to live forever, or die trying. - Yossarian
Wow. Like anything written by man or created by man there is bound to be imperfections. It’s not hard to believe that when you try and craft a story you are going to have mistakes. And when two people tell it you’ll have differences. Why people put on high such man created stories is kinda disrespecting to life itself eh.
Demon Slayer wrote:
not to mention the Bible was re-written like 20 times becuase the Roman Emperors and the Popes didn’t like something in it so they changed it...
Yeah. Good thing God doesn’t mind.
--- I’m determined to live forever, or die trying. - Yossarian
Der Dev 789 wrote: Oh I definately agree. A lot of people who are theists are close minded, and I completely accept that. If you hadn’t noticed I’ve talked out against anybody who’s talked like that on this site. Because I find that close-mindedness makes me and other christians look horrible by proxy.
Personally I am very conflicted in my beliefs. But that’s what makes the entire experiance so entertaining. I don’t know for SURE that creation is true, in fact I have seriously debated with myself weather the theory of evolution through divine intervention is the truth behind the truth.
Studying the bible is HARD, because in my opinion you really have to dig to figure out what is MENT by scripture. If you take every word of the bible litterally, then your going to be confused as hell once you hit Revelations. Much of the bible is ment figuratively, and a lot of the bible was written specifically to deal with problems going on at the time of it’s writting. So you have to sift out truth, possible get the message BEHIND one of God’s laws instead of blindly following the law itself.
I suppose I’m not making all too much sense, it’s because I really feel drained, the longest I’ve spent home is about 2 hours in the last week or two, and I’m at the point where I can barely finish up my homework before it’s due, not out of procrastination, but out of being able to find a time when I can even work on it. That’s a lot of the reason why I haven’t been on here in a while. I do wish to continue our debates though. And for the guy who said all I used is scripture. You obviously haven’t debated me buddy, 'cause you’d be hiding in a corner wallowing in self pity if you had.
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ramunematt wrote:
Well, lack of belief in god is really the only requirement for being an atheist.
In any god... Everyone is a athiest.. I dont know why christians try to seprate themselfs from full athiests when they dont believe in 99.9% of other religons too.
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