| 03 Jan 2008 06:03 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25  Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
I’m just curious about something; why do you feel there has to be some kind of deity? Life in the universe isn’t as improbable as your making it sound. But the thing I just don’t get, is when we admit we can’t provide all the answers right now so people automatically put god in all the gaps. What if you asked someone a question about how something happened and they reply, “oh, I can’t explain this therefore god must have done it”?. I man how pathetic is that?
Well, it’s just as ridiculous as you guys who say “Oh I can’t explain this, therefore it happened for no reason purely out of chance."
Green_Ninja wrote:
The fact that it is at that perfect ratio means it was able to support life.
The universe doesn’t support the idea of God, it supports any idea you throw at it, since most of the universes secrets are unknown.
I.E. The universe supports evolution, because there are other planets with organisms such as the ones we evolved from.
No scientist has ever come across a form of extra-terrestrial organism. The AH84001 Martian Meteorite you may be referencing, looked like it had small structures which some people thought was fossil bacteria, however it was concluded that they were nothing more than rock formations.
As for all this UFO stuff, UFO’s have not been proven to be aliens. They could be anything, hallucinations, lies, meteors, secret aircraft, Angels, spirits, Jinn, maybe even time travellers! Or perhaps something we have never thought of before and thus have no concept of.
I.E: Evolution is unproven, because you have no evidence of alien life on other planets, and even if it was, it still doesn’t prove that intelligent design wasn’t behind it’s creation. Or it’s EVOLUTION for that matter. The Bible and the Quran do not mention evolution, so does that mean proving evolution would disprove the existence of God? No. Does that mean that because evolution might be real and they don’t mention it that they are fake? No. In fact disproving any religous book, Torah, Bible, Quran, whatever, still does NOT disprove the existence of an intelligent creator in the universe anymore than proving War of the Worlds isn’t real disproves the existence of aliens.
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55 Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
I’m just curious about something; why do you feel there has to be some kind of deity? Life in the universe isn’t as improbable as your making it sound. But the thing I just don’t get, is when we admit we can’t provide all the answers right now so people automatically put god in all the gaps. What if you asked someone a question about how something happened and they reply, “oh, I can’t explain this therefore god must have done it”?. I man how pathetic is that?
Well, it’s just as ridiculous as you guys who say “Oh I can’t explain this, therefore it happened for no reason purely out of chance."
Green_Ninja wrote:
The fact that it is at that perfect ratio means it was able to support life.
The universe doesn’t support the idea of God, it supports any idea you throw at it, since most of the universes secrets are unknown.
I.E. The universe supports evolution, because there are other planets with organisms such as the ones we evolved from.
No scientist has ever come across a form of extra-terrestrial organism. The AH84001 Martian Meteorite you may be referencing, looked like it had small structures which some people thought was fossil bacteria, however it was concluded that they were nothing more than rock formations.
As for all this UFO stuff, UFO’s have not been proven to be aliens. They could be anything, hallucinations, lies, meteors, secret aircraft, Angels, spirits, Jinn, maybe even time travellers! Or perhaps something we have never thought of before and thus have no concept of.
I.E: Evolution is unproven, because you have no evidence of alien life on other planets, and even if it was, it still doesn’t prove that intelligent design wasn’t behind it’s creation. Or it’s EVOLUTION for that matter. The Bible and the Quran do not mention evolution, so does that mean proving evolution would disprove the existence of God? No. Does that mean that because evolution might be real and they don’t mention it that they are fake? No. In fact disproving any religous book, Torah, Bible, Quran, whatever, still does NOT disprove the existence of an intelligent creator in the universe anymore than proving War of the Worlds isn’t real disproves the existence of aliens.
If their was a intelligent creator in the universe he would have to have started it with the big bang.... and if he design everything then he would have put the big bang together knowing that we would get here where we are 14+billion years down the line. This is not mention in any religon.. so unless this intelligent creator doesnt give a shit, their is not intelligent creator.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 03 Jan 2008 08:29 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
I’m just curious about something; why do you feel there has to be some kind of deity? Life in the universe isn’t as improbable as your making it sound. But the thing I just don’t get, is when we admit we can’t provide all the answers right now so people automatically put god in all the gaps. What if you asked someone a question about how something happened and they reply, “oh, I can’t explain this therefore god must have done it”?. I man how pathetic is that?
Well, it’s just as ridiculous as you guys who say “Oh I can’t explain this, therefore it happened for no reason purely out of chance."
Green_Ninja wrote:
The fact that it is at that perfect ratio means it was able to support life.
The universe doesn’t support the idea of God, it supports any idea you throw at it, since most of the universes secrets are unknown.
I.E. The universe supports evolution, because there are other planets with organisms such as the ones we evolved from.
No scientist has ever come across a form of extra-terrestrial organism. The AH84001 Martian Meteorite you may be referencing, looked like it had small structures which some people thought was fossil bacteria, however it was concluded that they were nothing more than rock formations.
As for all this UFO stuff, UFO’s have not been proven to be aliens. They could be anything, hallucinations, lies, meteors, secret aircraft, Angels, spirits, Jinn, maybe even time travellers! Or perhaps something we have never thought of before and thus have no concept of.
I.E: Evolution is unproven, because you have no evidence of alien life on other planets, and even if it was, it still doesn’t prove that intelligent design wasn’t behind it’s creation. Or it’s EVOLUTION for that matter. The Bible and the Quran do not mention evolution, so does that mean proving evolution would disprove the existence of God? No. Does that mean that because evolution might be real and they don’t mention it that they are fake? No. In fact disproving any religous book, Torah, Bible, Quran, whatever, still does NOT disprove the existence of an intelligent creator in the universe anymore than proving War of the Worlds isn’t real disproves the existence of aliens.
If their was a intelligent creator in the universe he would have to have started it with the big bang.... and if he design everything then he would have put the big bang together knowing that we would get here where we are 14+billion years down the line. This is not mention in any religon.. so unless this intelligent creator doesnt give a shit, their is not intelligent creator.
You don’t get it. Just because it doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it says it’s not real. Not all religions say the universe was created 15 billion years ago, and not all of them say everything was created at once.
To disprove a religion, you need to point out one of the errors that cannot be explained logically.
You DON’T point out something it doesn’t mention and say that, because it doesn’t mention it, it is fake.
Look at yourself, you have not mentioned trees anywhere in your post, does that mean you’re saying trees don’t exist? We know trees exist, there’s one outside my window. Does that make you a liar? No. It just means you haven’t mentioned it.
Besides, even if all the religions are wrong, God could still be really, we might just not have the right theories about him, the true religion may be unknown.
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
You don’t get it. Just because it doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it says it’s not real. Not all religions say the universe was created 15 billion years ago, and not all of them say everything was created at once.
To disprove a religion, you need to point out one of the errors that cannot be explained logically.
You DON’T point out something it doesn’t mention and say that, because it doesn’t mention it, it is fake.
Look at yourself, you have not mentioned trees anywhere in your post, does that mean you’re saying trees don’t exist? We know trees exist, there’s one outside my window. Does that make you a liar? No. It just means you haven’t mentioned it.
Besides, even if all the religions are wrong, God could still be really, we might just not have the right theories about him, the true religion may be unknown.
No religon says that the universe is 15 billion years ago... But they have many other stories that conflict with the evidence.
Oh so the bible (quran etc etc) doesn’t say that the earth was created in 6 days....
I never claim anything about your tree, If I had you could have called me a liar.
You have grossly mis understodd the word theorie, you have made a typical christian strawman argument, and have not pointed out one religon which has clearly not just been made up by some primitive people.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 03 Jan 2008 09:46 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
You don’t get it. Just because it doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it says it’s not real. Not all religions say the universe was created 15 billion years ago, and not all of them say everything was created at once.
To disprove a religion, you need to point out one of the errors that cannot be explained logically.
You DON’T point out something it doesn’t mention and say that, because it doesn’t mention it, it is fake.
Look at yourself, you have not mentioned trees anywhere in your post, does that mean you’re saying trees don’t exist? We know trees exist, there’s one outside my window. Does that make you a liar? No. It just means you haven’t mentioned it.
Besides, even if all the religions are wrong, God could still be really, we might just not have the right theories about him, the true religion may be unknown.
No religon says that the universe is 15 billion years ago... But they have many other stories that conflict with the evidence.
Oh so the bible (quran etc etc) doesn’t say that the earth was created in 6 days....
I never claim anything about your tree, If I had you could have called me a liar.
You have grossly mis understodd the word theorie, you have made a typical christian strawman argument, and have not pointed out one religon which has clearly not just been made up by some primitive people.
Dude you TOTALLY missed what I said.
Basically, if you prove all the existing religions wrong, there can still be a God.
Just because there is a primitive belief about something, doesn’t mean it’s not real, it just means the primitive beliefs surrounding it are.
Also, don’t call me a “Christian strawman” I’m not a Christian, I’ve said before I’m a Muslim, and my arguments aren’t stupid. I just wrote an entire post last night about some of the laws of physics and how if they were changed slightly all life would cease to exist.
Do you get it?
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
You don’t get it. Just because it doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it says it’s not real. Not all religions say the universe was created 15 billion years ago, and not all of them say everything was created at once.
To disprove a religion, you need to point out one of the errors that cannot be explained logically.
You DON’T point out something it doesn’t mention and say that, because it doesn’t mention it, it is fake.
Look at yourself, you have not mentioned trees anywhere in your post, does that mean you’re saying trees don’t exist? We know trees exist, there’s one outside my window. Does that make you a liar? No. It just means you haven’t mentioned it.
Besides, even if all the religions are wrong, God could still be really, we might just not have the right theories about him, the true religion may be unknown.
No religon says that the universe is 15 billion years ago... But they have many other stories that conflict with the evidence.
Oh so the bible (quran etc etc) doesn’t say that the earth was created in 6 days....
I never claim anything about your tree, If I had you could have called me a liar.
You have grossly mis understodd the word theorie, you have made a typical christian strawman argument, and have not pointed out one religon which has clearly not just been made up by some primitive people.
Dude you TOTALLY missed what I said.
Basically, if you prove all the existing religions wrong, there can still be a God, it’s just that those religions will be wrong.
Well by your reason you couldnt disprove that Im a universe destroying monster... can you disprove it?
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 03 Jan 2008 09:55 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
You don’t get it. Just because it doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it says it’s not real. Not all religions say the universe was created 15 billion years ago, and not all of them say everything was created at once.
To disprove a religion, you need to point out one of the errors that cannot be explained logically.
You DON’T point out something it doesn’t mention and say that, because it doesn’t mention it, it is fake.
Look at yourself, you have not mentioned trees anywhere in your post, does that mean you’re saying trees don’t exist? We know trees exist, there’s one outside my window. Does that make you a liar? No. It just means you haven’t mentioned it.
Besides, even if all the religions are wrong, God could still be really, we might just not have the right theories about him, the true religion may be unknown.
No religon says that the universe is 15 billion years ago... But they have many other stories that conflict with the evidence.
Oh so the bible (quran etc etc) doesn’t say that the earth was created in 6 days....
I never claim anything about your tree, If I had you could have called me a liar.
You have grossly mis understodd the word theorie, you have made a typical christian strawman argument, and have not pointed out one religon which has clearly not just been made up by some primitive people.
Dude you TOTALLY missed what I said.
Basically, if you prove all the existing religions wrong, there can still be a God, it’s just that those religions will be wrong.
Well by your reason you couldnt disprove that Im a universe destroying monster... can you disprove it?
Well by your logic, I can disprove it because there’s no mention of Universe destroying monsters in my Encyclopedia.
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
Gplex wrote:
Sean of the Living wrote:
You don’t get it. Just because it doesn’t mention something, doesn’t mean it says it’s not real. Not all religions say the universe was created 15 billion years ago, and not all of them say everything was created at once.
To disprove a religion, you need to point out one of the errors that cannot be explained logically.
You DON’T point out something it doesn’t mention and say that, because it doesn’t mention it, it is fake.
Look at yourself, you have not mentioned trees anywhere in your post, does that mean you’re saying trees don’t exist? We know trees exist, there’s one outside my window. Does that make you a liar? No. It just means you haven’t mentioned it.
Besides, even if all the religions are wrong, God could still be really, we might just not have the right theories about him, the true religion may be unknown.
No religon says that the universe is 15 billion years ago... But they have many other stories that conflict with the evidence.
Oh so the bible (quran etc etc) doesn’t say that the earth was created in 6 days....
I never claim anything about your tree, If I had you could have called me a liar.
You have grossly mis understodd the word theorie, you have made a typical christian strawman argument, and have not pointed out one religon which has clearly not just been made up by some primitive people.
Dude you TOTALLY missed what I said.
Basically, if you prove all the existing religions wrong, there can still be a God, it’s just that those religions will be wrong.
Well by your reason you couldnt disprove that Im a universe destroying monster... can you disprove it?
Well by your logic, I can disprove it because there’s no mention of Universe destroying monsters in my Encyclopedia.
What does the encyclopedia have to do with my word?
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 04 Jan 2008 05:23 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | By the stars of the constellations(Al Burooj:1)
Still want proof...??? ---
 
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
By the stars of the constellations(Al Burooj:1)
Still want proof...???
What??? are you trying to claim that because arabs came up with the names of stars that proves your god/s?
The arab wourld 900 years ago was the crossing point for all the major cultures of those days.. everything anyone learn came and was classifyed in the arab world.. which means that they got all the naming rights to everything that was ever discovered.. but that only lasted 150 years until some idiot said maths was the word of the devil. (sound familiar with evolution) Thus sending the arabe world back into the stupid age... (religon age.. dark age same bloody thing) If they would have carryed on we would be 300-400 years ahead of ourself technologically. So thank you stupid religous person.
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 04 Jan 2008 09:22 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 50Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 10,520 OFFLINE | What??? are you trying to claim that because arabs came up with the names of stars that proves your god/s?
The arab wourld 900 years ago was the crossing point for all the major cultures of those days.. everything anyone learn came and was classifyed in the arab world.. which means that they got all the naming rights to everything that was ever discovered.. but that only lasted 150 years until some idiot said maths was the word of the devil. (sound familiar with evolution) Thus sending the arabe world back into the stupid age... (religon age.. dark age same bloody thing) If they would have carryed on we would be 300-400 years ahead of ourself technologically. So thank you stupid religous person.
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Arabian dont know about outer world... their place was isolated by desert... still thinking they got that by learning other cultures and sciences...???
Hmmm... do you think who is Al Khuwarizmi = Algoritm...???
Al Jabar=Algebra...???(Math) Ibnu Sina=Avecina(Medical Father) Those guys from arab and islam still thinking the way you think...???
FYI... Prophet Muhammad SAW never go to school and he even cant read and write but he know the big bang...
(you read my post right...???)
The question is how come to someone that cant read and write create such book??? can you create some like that???
Did you read my post about distortion in Qur’an that arabian dont know anything except poet...??? they dont even know what is math??? ---
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | It wasn’t call the middle east for nothing!! everyone had to go through the middle!!! sigh....
anyway where does muhammad talk about the big bang? Plus how do you konw muhammad never went to school? ---
Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. | | | 04 Jan 2008 04:22 pm |
Banned Rep: 51 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Sean of the Living wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
I’m just curious about something; why do you feel there has to be some kind of deity? Life in the universe isn’t as improbable as your making it sound. But the thing I just don’t get, is when we admit we can’t provide all the answers right now so people automatically put god in all the gaps. What if you asked someone a question about how something happened and they reply, “oh, I can’t explain this therefore god must have done it”?. I man how pathetic is that?
Well, it’s just as ridiculous as you guys who say “Oh I can’t explain this, therefore it happened for no reason purely out of chance.“
No credible scientists EVER says that. We don’t make up false excuses and answers. If there is a question that we cannot answer right away, we admit it. We don’t look for unsatisfying and otherwise false answers.
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Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
The fact that it is at that perfect ratio means it was able to support life.
The universe doesn’t support the idea of God, it supports any idea you throw at it, since most of the universes secrets are unknown.
I.E. The universe supports evolution, because there are other planets with organisms such as the ones we evolved from.
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Universe do not support evolutions...
Uh, yes it does. Otherwise we wouldn’t have the evidence we do to support it.
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Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
The question is how come to someone that cant read and write create such book??? can you create some like that???
Um, yeah, get someone who does know how to read and write to write it down for me.
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Addict (beyond 1337) Rep: 55Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,017 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
The question is how come to someone that cant read and write create such book??? can you create some like that???
Um, yeah, get someone who does know how to read and write to write it down for me.
Look at L. Ron Hubbard’s work..
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25Joined: 26 Dec 2007 Posts: 2,034 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
What does the encyclopedia have to do with my word?
You said because the Quran DOESN’T MENTION something, we think it’s not true.
Therefore, by your logic, I can prove there are no universe destorying monsters because my encyclopedia doesn’t mention them.
You don’t even understand the concept of my thoughts!
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