| 11 Sep 2008 01:06 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37  Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Cidolfus wrote:
Isn’t it entirely possible that the terrorist onboard the planes used some kind of jamming signal that took the planes off radar? Or that they just disabled it from the cockpit?
They still call cell phones “magical black boxes to the underworld"
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:08 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 21 Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,015 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
Cidolfus wrote:
Isn’t it entirely possible that the terrorist onboard the planes used some kind of jamming signal that took the planes off radar? Or that they just disabled it from the cockpit?
Hahaha... no
I don’t see why not. In fact, if I was hijacking a plane, cutting communications with air control or w/e would be the first priority. Because if they know where I am, it’d be to simple to shoot a plane out of the air. I think it’s highly unlikely that they didn’t make themselves invisible to radar.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:10 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Cidolfus wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Cidolfus wrote:
Isn’t it entirely possible that the terrorist onboard the planes used some kind of jamming signal that took the planes off radar? Or that they just disabled it from the cockpit?
Hahaha... no
I don’t see why not. In fact, if I was hijacking a plane, cutting communications with air control or w/e would be the first priority. Because if they know where I am, it’d be to simple to shoot a plane out of the air. I think it’s highly unlikely that they didn’t make themselves invisible to radar.
Face/palm
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 28 Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 1,432 OFFLINE | It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft? ---
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:14 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 22 Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 1,281 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:14 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft?
Google?
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:14 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 21Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,015 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft?
Beats me. I’m not paid to be smart.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:15 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Cidolfus wrote:
Khorib wrote:
It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft?
Beats me. I’m not paid to be smart.
Your not paid at all now bend over.
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:18 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 21Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,015 OFFLINE | 1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Cidolfus wrote:
Khorib wrote:
It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft?
Beats me. I’m not paid to be smart.
Your not paid at all now bend over.
I only do that for one man.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 28Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 1,432 OFFLINE | Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
Oh, and I was also concerned for the family of certain friends
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:19 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Cidolfus wrote:
1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Cidolfus wrote:
Khorib wrote:
It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft?
Beats me. I’m not paid to be smart.
Your not paid at all now bend over.
I only do that for one man.
I too miss Xtrm
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:22 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 21Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,015 OFFLINE | 1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Cidolfus wrote:
1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Cidolfus wrote:
Khorib wrote:
It’s a fact that they were NOT invisible to the radar. And tracking device or not has nothing to do with us being able to track aircraft within our airspace.
How do you think we pick up enemy aircraft?
Beats me. I’m not paid to be smart.
Your not paid at all now bend over.
I only do that for one man.
I too miss Xtrm
Xtrm actually bends over for me. I was talking about Derdev.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:23 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 28Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 1,432 OFFLINE | As for the reason it seems NORAD wasn’t able to identify and terminate the threat of the rogue aircrafts,
Several different war game exercises were in play on the day of the attack. The limited public information on these exercises shows that they simulated the following events:
* Hijackings
* Attacks on buildings using aircraft as missiles
* Attacks using toxic or infectious substances
These events are all elements of the actual attack, which involved four alleged hijackings, three jetliner crashes into buildings, and the toxic calamity at Ground Zero in the wake of the World Trade Center’s destruction. ---
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:24 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 21Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 1,015 OFFLINE | Those don’t even seem to relate to why they didn’t knock the planes out of the air. ---
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:27 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 22Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 1,281 OFFLINE | Khorib wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
Oh, and I was also concerned for the family of certain friends
My mother was in the Pentagon 5th floor E ring when it was hit; probably about 30 feet almost directly below her. This was an office in the outer ring and she said that immediately the windows blew out and the floor dropped about 2 feet.
(I worked in that office the summer of 2001 and got her the interview there when I left)
With the floor dropping and smoke everywhere she was too panicked to do anything. One of the larger men there, his name was Ward, a fellow D&D nerd, carried my mother over his shoulder out of the office. When they went to exit the building there was a pillar of smoke towards the direction of the closer (and newly renovated) exit. They had to go a much longer way through a zone that was still under construction.
I did not see my mother until about 9pm that evening. when I saw her she was bruised and covered in soot. It was a pretty scary day.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:27 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 28Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 1,432 OFFLINE | Cidolfus wrote:
Those don’t even seem to relate to why they didn’t knock the planes out of the air.
because they were chasing false targets as well. There are also reports that they were not going anywhere close to their top speed during their pursuits either. The pilots didn’t know that there were real threats going on through a number of what they thought were training targets.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:28 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
Oh, and I was also concerned for the family of certain friends
My mother was in the Pentagon 5th floor E ring when it was hit; probably about 30 feet almost directly below her. This was an office in the outer ring and she said that immediately the windows blew out and the floor dropped about 2 feet.
(I worked in that office the summer of 2001 and got her the interview there when I left)
With the floor dropping and smoke everywhere she was too panicked to do anything. One of the larger men there, his name was Ward, a fellow D&D nerd, carried my mother over his shoulder out of the office. When they went to exit the building there was a pillar of smoke towards the direction of the closer (and newly renovated) exit. They had to go a much longer way through a zone that was still under construction.
I did not see my mother until about 9pm that evening. when I saw her she was bruised and covered in soot. It was a pretty scary day.
You were in the pentagon?
I stand out in a crowd!
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:29 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 22Joined: 15 May 2008 Posts: 1,281 OFFLINE | 1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
Oh, and I was also concerned for the family of certain friends
My mother was in the Pentagon 5th floor E ring when it was hit; probably about 30 feet almost directly below her. This was an office in the outer ring and she said that immediately the windows blew out and the floor dropped about 2 feet.
(I worked in that office the summer of 2001 and got her the interview there when I left)
With the floor dropping and smoke everywhere she was too panicked to do anything. One of the larger men there, his name was Ward, a fellow D&D nerd, carried my mother over his shoulder out of the office. When they went to exit the building there was a pillar of smoke towards the direction of the closer (and newly renovated) exit. They had to go a much longer way through a zone that was still under construction.
I did not see my mother until about 9pm that evening. when I saw her she was bruised and covered in soot. It was a pretty scary day.
You were in the pentagon?
I worked there every summer from 2001 to 2006 as an intern.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:29 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 28Joined: 06 May 2008 Posts: 1,432 OFFLINE | 1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
Oh, and I was also concerned for the family of certain friends
My mother was in the Pentagon 5th floor E ring when it was hit; probably about 30 feet almost directly below her. This was an office in the outer ring and she said that immediately the windows blew out and the floor dropped about 2 feet.
(I worked in that office the summer of 2001 and got her the interview there when I left)
With the floor dropping and smoke everywhere she was too panicked to do anything. One of the larger men there, his name was Ward, a fellow D&D nerd, carried my mother over his shoulder out of the office. When they went to exit the building there was a pillar of smoke towards the direction of the closer (and newly renovated) exit. They had to go a much longer way through a zone that was still under construction.
I did not see my mother until about 9pm that evening. when I saw her she was bruised and covered in soot. It was a pretty scary day.
You were in the pentagon?
He said his mother was in the pentagon when the plane hit... He was working there for several of the summers prior.
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| 11 Sep 2008 01:30 pm |
Beyond Infinity Rep: 37Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 6,718 OFFLINE | Oranje wrote:
1outofDAinfinite wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
Oranje wrote:
Khorib wrote:
I remember my only concern on Sept 11, 2001 was hoping that’d we’d get out of school early.
*EDIT* All I could really think was... “It’s about time”
And we did get out early that day.
Oh, and I was also concerned for the family of certain friends
My mother was in the Pentagon 5th floor E ring when it was hit; probably about 30 feet almost directly below her. This was an office in the outer ring and she said that immediately the windows blew out and the floor dropped about 2 feet.
(I worked in that office the summer of 2001 and got her the interview there when I left)
With the floor dropping and smoke everywhere she was too panicked to do anything. One of the larger men there, his name was Ward, a fellow D&D nerd, carried my mother over his shoulder out of the office. When they went to exit the building there was a pillar of smoke towards the direction of the closer (and newly renovated) exit. They had to go a much longer way through a zone that was still under construction.
I did not see my mother until about 9pm that evening. when I saw her she was bruised and covered in soot. It was a pretty scary day.
You were in the pentagon?
I worked there every summer from 2001 to 2006 as an intern.
O sweet! What did ya do?
I stand out in a crowd!
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