| 11 Sep 2007 08:54 pm |
Regular Rep: 8  Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 852 OFFLINE | Pretty Simple, should we be in Iraq or not? Did Bush screw up? Yes or No?
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Should we be in Iraq? Yes. ************ 47% (votes so far 7) No. ********* 33% (votes so far 5) Im not sure, Im kinda in between. ***** 20% (votes so far 3) Only registered users may vote.
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| 11 Sep 2007 08:54 pm |
in soviet russia, grunt kills you! Rep: 40 Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,678 OFFLINE | he screwed up
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| 11 Sep 2007 08:55 pm |
Regular Rep: 8Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 852 OFFLINE | Agreed.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:02 pm |
Senior member Rep: 10 Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 6,705 OFFLINE | There is no reason why we are in Iraq right now... Certain people in the US government are making a lot of money with this war. Are we doing anything against the terrorist? No. Are we safer now than we were on Sep 11? No. The unfortunate event on Sep 11 was caused by AlQaeda in Afghanistan and not by Saddam Husein and Iraq. Now, we are there exposing our life just because we want to keep Iraq free.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:04 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 52 Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,320 OFFLINE | I’m going to answer in between cause I think its yes and no.
Yes because our economy is driven by the production and usuage of fossil fuels such as oil. And seeing that the Middle East produces 30% of the world’s oil if it ever gets hostile there our economy and way of life in general is jepordized.
I don’t think we should be in there simply to tell people how to live their lives. Our whole war for the bettering of man might sound good but really have we done any good. We’ve tried to install a democracy in a country that doesn’t want one. And innocent people are getting caugh up in our crossfire. By being over there supposedly fighting this war to help them out we are in turn simply killing them faster. Saddam was a sick son of a bitch and he needed to be taken out of power but that’s probably all we should have done. Its not our right to tell others how to live their lives. Our way of life shouldn’t be seen superior to those that we have to rescue them from their culture.
But a war in the Middle East has been inevitable for awhile. It’s becoming a religious war. And a cultural war. And this is probably where World War 3 will start. Iran is next others will join in until China blows us all up haha.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:33 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Ok, first of all, we DID have a good reason to go to Iraq. Even if Bush DOES say that it’s because of 9/11, it doesn’t really matter. Good DID come of it. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he treated his people cruelly, killed many, etc. The United States removed this tyrant from power.
But the problem is, you can’t just go into a country, destroy its government, and leave. You simply CAN’T. And you can’t just up and pull out all at once. It doesn’t work that way, but a lot of people seem to be under the delusion that it does.
And tell me this: What could John Kerry have done to make the problem magically go away? Nothing. If Kerry had simply withdrawn troops and left Iraq to fend for itself, he would be responsible for the destruction of a country. Iraq wouldn’t be around anymore, it’d probably be part of Iran or Pakistan or something to that effect.
So all you people that criticize Bush for still being there need to shut up and quit being such liberal-biased fucktards and face the reality that withdrawal still isn’t an option. The US would be responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS due to the fact that there wouldn’t be anyone there to do anything about insurgency.
See, the media has a funny way of putting out a lot of stuff to demean Bush, but never anything positive. SA-X came up with a good example. It is my personal opinion that the majority of the news media is liberal biased, and therefore biased AGAINST Bush, and therefore do anything they can to make Bush look bad and brainwash the masses that don’t think for themselves.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:39 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 52Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,320 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
Ok, first of all, we DID have a good reason to go to Iraq. Even if Bush DOES say that it’s because of 9/11, it doesn’t really matter. Good DID come of it. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he treated his people cruelly, killed many, etc. The United States removed this tyrant from power.
But the problem is, you can’t just go into a country, destroy its government, and leave. You simply CAN’T. And you can’t just up and pull out all at once. It doesn’t work that way, but a lot of people seem to be under the delusion that it does.
And tell me this: What could John Kerry have done to make the problem magically go away? Nothing. If Kerry had simply withdrawn troops and left Iraq to fend for itself, he would be responsible for the destruction of a country. Iraq wouldn’t be around anymore, it’d probably be part of Iran or Pakistan or something to that effect.
So all you people that criticize Bush for still being there need to shut up and quit being such liberal-biased fucktards and face the reality that withdrawal still isn’t an option. The US would be responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS due to the fact that there wouldn’t be anyone there to do anything about insurgency.
See, the media has a funny way of putting out a lot of stuff to demean Bush, but never anything positive. SA-X came up with a good example. It is my personal opinion that the majority of the news media is liberal biased, and therefore biased AGAINST Bush, and therefore do anything they can to make Bush look bad and brainwash the masses that don’t think for themselves.
If we would have gone into the country, took Saddam, and left at least there wouldn’t be a bomb or car bomb going off every day in neighborhoods killing 100’s of innocent people everyday.
It wasn’t our responsibility to go in their the first place and when we made it our responsibility we were doomed for this. It’s not our problem to play the parent breaking children up in the playground that are playing unfairly. Call me an isolationist or whatever you want but the world’s problems aren’t our problem. The UN was created for a reason. I don’t care if they don’t do shit let them take care of it. We need to stop with our damn superiority complex thinking because we are americans we have to help people around the world cause our way of life is better.
And anyone that tells you we are over there to help people being mistreated is an ignorant conservative. We are there for the main purpose of keeping the Middle East unhostile so that our “black gold” keeps coming in steady constant shipments.
But man if we just simply would have stayed with that we’d been in a better posistion. Now we are in some god damn religions war with radical fundamentalist Muslims and last I check religious wars dont' end pretty for anyone.
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| 12 Sep 2007 12:21 am |
bahaha-_-its me Guest | we shouldnt be in iraq in the first place.
but since we fucked upped the country, we should at least fix it.
so my answer is yes, but jus to restore order.
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| 12 Sep 2007 01:39 am |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 63 Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | All I want to know,
is why in the hell am I paying almost $4 for a gallon of gas..
If we have control of one the largest oil producing countries in the world?
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| 12 Sep 2007 02:51 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 25 Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 2,004 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
All I want to know,
is why in the hell am I paying almost $4 for a gallon of gas..
If we have control of one the largest oil producing countries in the world?
americas gotr the cheapest petrol pricest in the world, stop compaining 
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| 12 Sep 2007 07:05 am |
OWNED BY SA-X Rep: 63Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 13,669 OFFLINE | The Return of the Didus wrote:
Green_Ninja wrote:
All I want to know,
is why in the hell am I paying almost $4 for a gallon of gas..
If we have control of one the largest oil producing countries in the world?
americas gotr the cheapest petrol pricest in the world, stop compaining
Umm..
Isn’t Iraq getting like..
25 cents a gallon?
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| 12 Sep 2007 04:15 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
Ok, first of all, we DID have a good reason to go to Iraq. Even if Bush DOES say that it’s because of 9/11, it doesn’t really matter. Good DID come of it. Saddam Hussein was a dictator, he treated his people cruelly, killed many, etc. The United States removed this tyrant from power.
But the problem is, you can’t just go into a country, destroy its government, and leave. You simply CAN’T. And you can’t just up and pull out all at once. It doesn’t work that way, but a lot of people seem to be under the delusion that it does.
And tell me this: What could John Kerry have done to make the problem magically go away? Nothing. If Kerry had simply withdrawn troops and left Iraq to fend for itself, he would be responsible for the destruction of a country. Iraq wouldn’t be around anymore, it’d probably be part of Iran or Pakistan or something to that effect.
So all you people that criticize Bush for still being there need to shut up and quit being such liberal-biased fucktards and face the reality that withdrawal still isn’t an option. The US would be responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS due to the fact that there wouldn’t be anyone there to do anything about insurgency.
See, the media has a funny way of putting out a lot of stuff to demean Bush, but never anything positive. SA-X came up with a good example. It is my personal opinion that the majority of the news media is liberal biased, and therefore biased AGAINST Bush, and therefore do anything they can to make Bush look bad and brainwash the masses that don’t think for themselves.
If we would have gone into the country, took Saddam, and left at least there wouldn’t be a bomb or car bomb going off every day in neighborhoods killing 100’s of innocent people everyday.
Nah, there’d just be a full on civil war of different groups attempting to claim power.
Zucas wrote:
It wasn’t our responsibility to go in their the first place and when we made it our responsibility we were doomed for this. It’s not our problem to play the parent breaking children up in the playground that are playing unfairly. Call me an isolationist or whatever you want but the world’s problems aren’t our problem. The UN was created for a reason. I don’t care if they don’t do shit let them take care of it. We need to stop with our damn superiority complex thinking because we are americans we have to help people around the world cause our way of life is better.
I agree with that too. It wasn’t our responsibility. But when we put ourselves there we put ourselves in that situation. We shouldn’t have, but we did, so now we’re there unfortunately.
Zucas wrote:
And anyone that tells you we are over there to help people being mistreated is an ignorant conservative. We are there for the main purpose of keeping the Middle East unhostile so that our “black gold” keeps coming in steady constant shipments.
Well you have to realize, without peace in the Middle East, it’s almost guaranteed to lead to trade issues and the like. And more than likely, since the US has allied with Israel, any Islamic country will hold that against us.
And about Israel, it’s my personal opinion that Palestine should NOT have been taken away. The major powers of the world (basically the Allied Nations of WWII) basically tried to give the Jews someplace where they’d be “safe” and picked their holy land. Problem with that? Yep. It’s already an established Islamic country, and it’s their holy land too.
And that’s the argument that Israel vs Palestinians is entirely because of religion, which I claim is wrong. It’s a land war. The Palestinians are pissed that they were stripped of their land against their will. You’d be bitter too.
Zucas wrote:
But man if we just simply would have stayed with that we’d been in a better posistion. Now we are in some god damn religions war with radical fundamentalist Muslims and last I check religious wars dont' end pretty for anyone.
I don’t approve of using religion as an excuse for war. I hate war. I find it fascinating and an interesting topic, but I hate it. It never ends well.
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| 12 Sep 2007 04:19 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
The Return of the Didus wrote:
Green_Ninja wrote:
All I want to know,
is why in the hell am I paying almost $4 for a gallon of gas..
If we have control of one the largest oil producing countries in the world?
americas gotr the cheapest petrol pricest in the world, stop compaining
Umm..
Isn’t Iraq getting like..
25 cents a gallon?
We produce more oil than Iraq, by a LOT.
And different things going on lead to increased gas prices.
Oh, and I never want to hear ANYONE that drives and SUV complain about gas prices. Just don’t drive those damn gas guzzlers. Big car doesn’t mean better.
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| 12 Sep 2007 04:34 pm |
~ Vi Veri ~ Rep: 66 Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 32,659 ONLINE | I suppose someone has to stand up and smack the terrorists ass for once.
Good has come out of this war, but so had bad. It’s war, it happens, deal with it, beat the bad guys, move on.
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| 12 Sep 2007 04:39 pm |
in soviet russia, grunt kills you! Rep: 40Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,678 OFFLINE | Green_Ninja wrote:
All I want to know,
is why in the hell am I paying almost $4 for a gallon of gas..
If we have control of one the largest oil producing countries in the world?
this is how it goes:
my canada’s alberta gets the oil
we ship it to NEW ORLEANS they turn it into gas
but since new orleans keeps turing into atlantis the prices go higher everytime becouse the biz’s cant make it that fast
also global warming
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| 12 Sep 2007 04:46 pm |
in soviet russia, grunt kills you! Rep: 40Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,678 OFFLINE | NEREVAR117 wrote:
I suppose someone has to stand up and smack the terrorists ass for once.
Good has come out of this war, but so had bad. It’s war, it happens, deal with it, beat the bad guys, move on.
um i dont get one part
WHO THE HECK EVER SAID IRAQ HELD TERRORISTS!
for jesus’s sake
yes the terrorists did 9/11 yes it did happen
but then usa goes in and bombs the crap out of iraq
killing thousends of innocent
including children
and of course iraqs leader was a nut and he had to go but who ever said iraq held anything
so i think war on terrorism is good but attacking iraq was a really stupid move and considering uk has canada as a best friend WE MOVE IN and im ashamed
ok i most likely made no sense but i already said i dont like it in another post
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| 12 Sep 2007 05:28 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
NEREVAR117 wrote:
I suppose someone has to stand up and smack the terrorists ass for once.
Good has come out of this war, but so had bad. It’s war, it happens, deal with it, beat the bad guys, move on.
um i dont get one part
WHO THE HECK EVER SAID IRAQ HELD TERRORISTS!
for jesus’s sake
yes the terrorists did 9/11 yes it did happen
but then usa goes in and bombs the crap out of iraq
killing thousends of innocent
including children
and of course iraqs leader was a nut and he had to go but who ever said iraq held anything
so i think war on terrorism is good but attacking iraq was a really stupid move and considering uk has canada as a best friend WE MOVE IN and im ashamed
ok i most likely made no sense but i already said i dont like it in another post
1. The insurgents in Iraq use terrorist tactics.
2. The US didn’t kill thousands of innocents including children, Saddam Hussein did.
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| 12 Sep 2007 07:31 pm |
Sony fanboys think I'm an Xbot Rep: 18 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 5,176 OFFLINE | Yes we should be there because they are people just like us.
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| 12 Sep 2007 07:42 pm |
Regular Rep: 8Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 852 OFFLINE | We didnt kill all those innocents. >=\
I think your thinking about WW-II
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