| 11 Sep 2007 09:22 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 52  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,320 OFFLINE | Love this politics topic. Can finally talk about what I most enjoy.
America has the most nukes in the world. We tell others they are not allowed to have them but we have the most and the only ones in history to use them on another country. Not only that but on a city not a military base or whatnot.
So simple question should Americans be allowed to have nuclear weapons or should we disarm and get rid of them for the bettering of humanity.
Now I’m gonn make it in a poll for a simple yes or no question but this is a really hard question. There is so much more to it.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:24 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | I personally think that it would be incredibly foolish and moronic to completely disarm any nuclear weapons if other nations in the world have them, what with the US not being popular and all.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:25 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Also, we tell them they can’t USE them. It’s common knowledge that the US isn’t the only place on Earth with nukes.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:29 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 52Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,320 OFFLINE | True getting rid of our nukes could leave us open to other nuclear attacks by other countries. But here’s the thing. If a nuclear war ever started we’re screwed whether or not we have them or not. It’s just if we do have them then the other side will go down with us.
So really that would be my counter arguement to that. Nukes aren’t really protecting us, simply making sure if we go down so does the other side. Nuclear war means destruction on the entire earth no matter how ya see it.
That’s why many think and see it better in working to jsut get rid of them all. Cause as long as anyone has it that is a possibility. And personally I would love to be older than 50.
But the part what we need to be getting at is if we get rid of our nukes are we seen more vulnerable meaning that a nuclear war is going to happen sooner rather than later.
Personally I think we should keep them until all “unreliable” nations have gotten rid of them. But that’s open up to arguement. As Russia is so close, so very close, to going back to the way it was in terms of thoughs to countries like America. And if that were to happen it oculd be catastrophic.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:37 pm |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Nukes aren’t really protecting us, simply making sure if we go down so does the other side. Nuclear war means destruction on the entire earth no matter how ya see it.
Ah, I’m afraid I must disagree. The fact that we have nukes makes other nations think twice before attacking us, as they know full well that if we were to retaliate with half of our nuclear might, it more than likely would be 10 times as devastating (except for probably Russia).
So basically, the fear of retaliation keeps nuclear attacks at bay.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:40 pm |
Live like an angel, die like a devil Rep: 20 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,763 OFFLINE | As it stands, one use of a nuke means MAD. Mutually Assured Destruction.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:41 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 52Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,320 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Nukes aren’t really protecting us, simply making sure if we go down so does the other side. Nuclear war means destruction on the entire earth no matter how ya see it.
Ah, I’m afraid I must disagree. The fact that we have nukes makes other nations think twice before attacking us, as they know full well that if we were to retaliate with half of our nuclear might, it more than likely would be 10 times as devastating (except for probably Russia).
So basically, the fear of retaliation keeps nuclear attacks at bay.
Yes it’ll keep some countries at bay. But what about countries that are run by madmen. What about Iran and North Korea. They aren’t going to think twice about launching nukes. Hell I’m surprised they haven’t done it yet to tell ya that truth.
But jsut the sheer thing of having nukes put’s all 6-7 billion people on this Earth in jepordy. All it takes is one nuke launched. Doesn’t matter who does. All it does it take 1. And when it’s launched this world will be no more.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:42 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 52Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 39,320 OFFLINE | fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
As it stands, one use of a nuke means MAD. Mutually Assured Destruction.
Exactly.
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:43 pm |
in soviet russia, grunt kills you! Rep: 40 Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,677 OFFLINE | mabye >.>
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:53 pm |
Ace of 'Nades Rep: 65 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,506 OFFLINE | I say no. We’ll need 'em when the terrorists come back for round two. 
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| 11 Sep 2007 09:55 pm |
in soviet russia, grunt kills you! Rep: 40Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,677 OFFLINE | red calibur
were exactly are the terrorists?
are u just going to fire them randomly everywhere killing BILLIONS! of the innocent?
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| 12 Sep 2007 12:15 am |
bahaha-_-its me Guest | should they? yes, but so should every other nation.
will they? no.
if u think about it, what country wants to nuke the US? none. what country does the US wanna nuke? none. no one wants a fucking war. u think russia wanted to start a war during the cold war? no, they were afraid that WE might bomb them.
thats the number one reason why no one wants to give up their nukes; fear.
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| 12 Sep 2007 12:28 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 23 Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,685 OFFLINE | I personally think we should be able to keep them because we are the strongest country, so why not keep that title?
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| 12 Sep 2007 07:09 am |
Dr. Matt Rep: 48 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,545 ONLINE | Most of the world hates us. If we disarm ourselves of nukes completely there’s no doubt North Korea or whatever country is going to nuke us.
I think power might also have a factor in this. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Imagine if a madman had absolute control of all of a countries weapons.
I wouldn’t want us to disarm ourselves until all the other countries with nukes do the same thing.
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| 13 Sep 2007 12:06 pm |
Puebla 2020 (YES)!) Rep: 49 Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 9,789 OFFLINE | yes
but wat do I care i’m not american
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| 18 Sep 2007 02:19 pm |
King of MVC Rep: 26 Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,489 OFFLINE | With how many countries hate and are more than willing to attack the US without any provocation, disarming nuclear weapons would be the same as America committing suicide.
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| 20 Sep 2007 07:43 am |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 12 Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,923 OFFLINE | 2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Sounds like nukes to me. Not really trying to get religion involved, but prophecies have always made things more ominous.
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| 20 Sep 2007 07:44 am |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 12Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,923 OFFLINE | Whoops. Double post.
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| 23 Sep 2007 01:39 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10 Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,510 OFFLINE | Red_Calibur9 wrote:
I say no. We’ll need 'em when the terrorists come back for round two.
lol, Nukes don’t work on terrorists.
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| 25 Sep 2007 06:41 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6 Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | #1 the dangers of nuclear war are greatly overstated, yes it would be bad, but not necessarily the end of all humanity. In all likelihood a nuclear war would involve at most 3 per side before people started to get a little be hesitant on using them and while that dose mean fallout and devastation on a massive fucking level you have to remember it’s money that keeps the world turning and even the U.S.S.R. wasn’t willing to do away with that.
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We tell others they are not allowed to have them but we have the most and the only ones in history to use them on another country. Not only that but on a city not a military base or whatnot.
OMG you really should think about your history on that one, we (the u.s.a.) didn’t have a choice on that matter, Japan was ruled by a mad man who convinced people he was a god, how the fuck are you supposed to make an impression on something like that with out doing things a little ballsy. I’m sorry to say this, but it’s fucking war, people die in war and it inset all ways going to be solders. Remember we frigging fire bombed Dresden, killing thousands of men women and children and quite frankly if it meant the survival of this nation we would most likely do it again, our freedom inset free and if that means some other poor fuck dies for his country then so be it.
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