#241 12 May 2008 10:16 pm |
Chaosmage Guest | Also to the guy who’s dumb enough to suggest we can’t use Broly cause of alternate timeline shit. Broly isn’t the only person who destroyed a galaxy in DBZ. Kid buu was shown destroying a galaxy in episode 204 so suck it. Gogeta being stronger than a galaxy destroyer still stands
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#242 12 May 2008 10:58 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17  Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,614 OFFLINE | Jesus Christ Gogeta all the way
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#243 12 May 2008 11:09 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 24 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,984 OFFLINE | Superman flew so fast he nearly destroyed creation,broke the time barrier as a baby,could move planets with his breath,towed a whole galaxy of planets,and was even said to be one of the most powerful being in the universe along side his cousin Powergirl(obviously not true but still shows you how powerful they are).How does Gogeta win?
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#244 12 May 2008 11:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 2,671 OFFLINE | Chaosmage wrote:
Ultraman never said Goku could survive being cut in half. Someone else said he can’t and he asked for proof.
But he said Goku’s body>Freiza’s.
Also, you’re speculating about Cell’s explosion.
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#245 12 May 2008 11:14 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48 Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,761 OFFLINE | Chaosmage wrote:
Also to the guy who’s dumb enough to suggest we can’t use Broly cause of alternate timeline shit. Broly isn’t the only person who destroyed a galaxy in DBZ. Kid buu was shown destroying a galaxy in episode 204 so suck it. Gogeta being stronger than a galaxy destroyer still stands
It wasn’t in the original manga idiot. Also if your using anime, they only said he destroyed the earth not the galaxy, I think that is something worth saying if the galaxy is destroyed. Also if earth was brought back and there was no sun everyone would freeze to death. Clearly, not only did he not destroy the galaxy in the manga but not in the anime either.
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#246 12 May 2008 11:15 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,761 OFFLINE | Chaosmage wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Chaosmage wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Nope. Because you actually have to prove all of snakeway was not intact. This is not a courtroom. It is a debate. Your job is to bring PROOF. Not reasonable doubt.
Since we can use the anime version after the explosion the camera shows us where king kai’s planet use to be. Nothing is there NOT EVEN SNAKE WAY! Thus part of snakeway was indeed destroyed
Actually we should use the canon, since it’s the only thing that counts. But I’d like to see this video clip of this anyway.
Since this is about gogeta yes we can use the anime. It’s episode 174 go to youtube
I’m not looking up your proof, you bring it to me. Thats YOUR responsibility not mine.
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#247 12 May 2008 11:18 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 17Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,614 OFFLINE | FFS the power’s in each are different power ki chi or whatever make’s Goku stronger were as lifting planet’s work’s for Supe’s
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#248 12 May 2008 11:25 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,761 OFFLINE | Oh and on that episode, King Kia says at 3:54 “Seems all you managed to do is destroy my planet." He should have mentioned snake way, and also his planet was up there quite a ways...So of course you don’t see snake way. The view is of their faces or show beyond where snake way is.
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#249 12 May 2008 11:42 pm |
Ultraman Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
Superman flew so fast he nearly destroyed creation,broke the time barrier as a baby,
I’ve explained this before. Universe mechanic. Unless an actual speed is given it can’t be used to say he’s faster than Gogeta
Manchester Black wrote:
could move planets with his breath,
Only one planet
Manchester Black wrote:
towed a whole galaxy of planets,
This never made sense to me. How can a galaxy be dying? A solar system yes but an entire galaxy?
Manchester Black wrote:
and was even said to be one of the most powerful being in the universe along side his cousin Powergirl(obviously not true but still shows you how powerful they are).How does Gogeta win?
Gogeta was also said to be the most powerful being in the universe and it was true. Gogeta wins cause he deals out more damage than superman. he’s, as you put it, thousands of times stronger than Broly and Buu who both destroy galaxies. The most superman ever destroyed was a solar system
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#250 12 May 2008 11:44 pm |
Ultraman Guest | Go2movies wrote:
Chaosmage wrote:
Ultraman never said Goku could survive being cut in half. Someone else said he can’t and he asked for proof.
But he said Goku’s body>Freiza’s.
Also, you’re speculating about Cell’s explosion.
How hard a body is isn’t the same as how much it can work without. A roach can survive sometime after it’s heads cut off. Does that mean a roches body is harder than a humans? Saying cells bomb was a planet buster is speculation too
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#251 12 May 2008 11:47 pm |
Ultraman Guest | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
It wasn’t in the original manga idiot.
Neither is Gogeta. Since this is all for his sake we much use the version he’s in and that’s the anime. Manga holds no water as this is toei’s creation
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Also if your using anime, they only said he destroyed the earth not the galaxy, I think that is something worth saying if the galaxy is destroyed. Also if earth was brought back and there was no sun everyone would freeze to death. Clearly, not only did he not destroy the galaxy in the manga but not in the anime either.
Wrong. wrong wrong wrong. So wrong it’s laughable. Episode 204 he’s shown destroying a galaxy IN A FLASH BACK
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#252 12 May 2008 11:52 pm |
Ultraman Guest | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Oh and on that episode, King Kia says at 3:54 “Seems all you managed to do is destroy my planet." He should have mentioned snake way, and also his planet was up there quite a ways...So of course you don’t see snake way. The view is of their faces or show beyond where snake way is.
1. Why would king kai care about snake way? He only cared about his planet.
2. How would king kai know snake way is damaged?
3. From the end of snake way to king kais planet is a few yards at best. Yes you would see snakeway if you saw his planet
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#253 12 May 2008 11:57 pm |
Ultraman Guest | BTW Chaosmage it’s episode 173 not 174
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#254 12 May 2008 11:57 pm |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,761 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
Manchester Black wrote:
Superman flew so fast he nearly destroyed creation,broke the time barrier as a baby,
I’ve explained this before. Universe mechanic. Unless an actual speed is given it can’t be used to say he’s faster than Gogeta
Manchester Black wrote:
could move planets with his breath,
Only one planet
Manchester Black wrote:
towed a whole galaxy of planets,
This never made sense to me. How can a galaxy be dying? A solar system yes but an entire galaxy?
Manchester Black wrote:
and was even said to be one of the most powerful being in the universe along side his cousin Powergirl(obviously not true but still shows you how powerful they are).How does Gogeta win?
Gogeta was also said to be the most powerful being in the universe and it was true. Gogeta wins cause he deals out more damage than superman. he’s, as you put it, thousands of times stronger than Broly and Buu who both destroy galaxies. The most superman ever destroyed was a solar system
In all fairness, they never mentioned Buu destroying the galaxy(Which would have been pretty big thing to do considering that would have put Buu 400 million TIMES the output of Cell might be able to output.
The thing about Broly is, it is very confusing to say he can be counted here because the 1st movie he destroys the galaxy, but that would have but him 400 million times Cell’s energy output and then that would mean they fought an enemy as strong as Kid Buu in the Cell saga while Kid Buu beat the living hell out of Vegeta, who in the anime(somewhere) said he was ten times Cell’s strength.
It’s just best to leave Broly out of it. Only use the Janemba and GT feats.
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#255 13 May 2008 12:05 am |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,761 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
It wasn’t in the original manga idiot.
Neither is Gogeta. Since this is all for his sake we much use the version he’s in and that’s the anime. Manga holds no water as this is toei’s creation
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Also if your using anime, they only said he destroyed the earth not the galaxy, I think that is something worth saying if the galaxy is destroyed. Also if earth was brought back and there was no sun everyone would freeze to death. Clearly, not only did he not destroy the galaxy in the manga but not in the anime either.
Wrong. wrong wrong wrong. So wrong it’s laughable. Episode 204 he’s shown destroying a galaxy IN A FLASH BACK
Actually, we only use Gogeta’s canon(Which is Janemba movie and GT) So Broly or anything like holds no water here.
Also episode 204 was filler. At least that part was, I don’t remember it destroying the galaxy. Is that the episode where it shows how Kid buu became the other buu’s?
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#256 13 May 2008 12:06 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 2,671 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
How hard a body is isn’t the same as how much it can work without. A roach can survive sometime after it’s heads cut off. Does that mean a roches body is harder than a humans? Saying cells bomb was a planet buster is speculation too
No it’s not. There’s no evidence that it could destroy more than what it did.
And do you have evidence that Goku can survive being cut up?
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#257 13 May 2008 12:07 am |
Ultraman Guest | Suggesting snakeway wasn’t damaged cause of cell suggests one of 2 things
1. Snakeway is made up or a material harder than a planet (which Chaosmage’s point would still stand)
2. The blast power wasn’t equal to it’s size. I seem to recall Manchester Black showing a scan of the sun eater’s explosion. I pointed out that the explosion was too small to be a supernova and he said that the size of the blast wasn’t equal to how much power was in the actual blast. That was probably true in cells bombs case aswell.
The second theory is supported by 16’s bomb being a threat to cell. We saw him take a kamehameha that was enough to blow up the earth at the very least 2 times over however cell was scared of 16’s bomb. 16 stated no one would survive the blast if the didn’t get away meaning it would have destroyed the earth but was stronger than a beam that was enough to. Either way calling cells bomb ONLY a planet destroyer is silly
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#258 13 May 2008 12:07 am |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 24Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,984 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
I’ve explained this before. Universe mechanic. Unless an actual speed is given it can’t be used to say he’s faster than Gogeta
Oh ofcourse it is because its SUPES doing it.If Goku would have done it nothing would be wrong with it.If that isn’t enough him entering hyper time or nearly destroying the universe with his speed is.
Ultraman wrote:
Only one planet
Yes and when we say Goku can destroy planets we mean only one.
Ultraman wrote:
This never made sense to me. How can a galaxy be dying? A solar system yes but an entire galaxy?
I don’t know.The point is he got a chain(a redicoulously big one)and moved alot of planets that was a galaxys worth.
Ultraman wrote:
Gogeta was also said to be the most powerful being in the universe and it was true. Gogeta wins cause he deals out more damage than superman. he’s, as you put it, thousands of times stronger than Broly and Buu who both destroy galaxies. The most superman ever destroyed was a solar system
Thats made of so much fail it isn’t funny.Yes he was in HIS UNIVERSE which is mid tier compared to DC.Thats your reason?Fail also since the guy who said it was a galaxy buster and get this that was Bronze Age Superman before he got his Pre-Crisis power up...
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#259 13 May 2008 12:08 am |
DHAOS LASER! Rep: 48Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 10,761 OFFLINE | Go2movies wrote:
Ultraman wrote:
How hard a body is isn’t the same as how much it can work without. A roach can survive sometime after it’s heads cut off. Does that mean a roches body is harder than a humans? Saying cells bomb was a planet buster is speculation too
No it’s not. There’s no evidence that it could destroy more than what it did.
And do you have evidence that Goku can survive being cut up?
Since we are using Gogeta cannon there is to SOME degree. SSJ3 Goku in the JAnemba movie was cut by Janemba’s sword energy thing, which cut through, what looked like a giant rock thing and also it made a deep gash in his arm(Which mysteriously vanished later on) If Goku can survive it to an extent I’m sure Gogeta SSJ4 could.
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#260 13 May 2008 12:11 am |
Ultraman Guest | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Ultraman wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
It wasn’t in the original manga idiot.
Neither is Gogeta. Since this is all for his sake we much use the version he’s in and that’s the anime. Manga holds no water as this is toei’s creation
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Also if your using anime, they only said he destroyed the earth not the galaxy, I think that is something worth saying if the galaxy is destroyed. Also if earth was brought back and there was no sun everyone would freeze to death. Clearly, not only did he not destroy the galaxy in the manga but not in the anime either.
Wrong. wrong wrong wrong. So wrong it’s laughable. Episode 204 he’s shown destroying a galaxy IN A FLASH BACK
Actually, we only use Gogeta’s canon(Which is Janemba movie and GT) So Broly or anything like holds no water here.
Also episode 204 was filler. At least that part was, I don’t remember it destroying the galaxy. Is that the episode where it shows how Kid buu became the other buu’s?
Gogeta’s canon is the janemaba movie (which is part of DBZ) and GT (which is a sequal) We don’t only use the things we SEE Gogeta in. in terms of gaging his power we can use the stuff from the anime.
GT is a sequal to Z made by toei. IN Z toei made buu a galaxy buster. They’re from the same righter so it’s canon
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