#261 13 May 2008 12:14 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 4 Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 2,630 OFFLINE | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Since we are using Gogeta cannon there is to SOME degree. SSJ3 Goku in the JAnemba movie was cut by Janemba’s sword energy thing, which cut through, what looked like a giant rock thing and also it made a deep gash in his arm(Which mysteriously vanished later on) If Goku can survive it to an extent I’m sure Gogeta SSJ4 could.
You mean like cut in half like Freiza?
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#262 13 May 2008 12:18 am |
ABOVE highest rank Rep: 14 Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 6,202 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Ultraman wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
It wasn’t in the original manga idiot.
Neither is Gogeta. Since this is all for his sake we much use the version he’s in and that’s the anime. Manga holds no water as this is toei’s creation
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Also if your using anime, they only said he destroyed the earth not the galaxy, I think that is something worth saying if the galaxy is destroyed. Also if earth was brought back and there was no sun everyone would freeze to death. Clearly, not only did he not destroy the galaxy in the manga but not in the anime either.
Wrong. wrong wrong wrong. So wrong it’s laughable. Episode 204 he’s shown destroying a galaxy IN A FLASH BACK
Actually, we only use Gogeta’s canon(Which is Janemba movie and GT) So Broly or anything like holds no water here.
Also episode 204 was filler. At least that part was, I don’t remember it destroying the galaxy. Is that the episode where it shows how Kid buu became the other buu’s?
Gogeta’s canon is the janemaba movie (which is part of DBZ) and GT (which is a sequal) We don’t only use the things we SEE Gogeta in. in terms of gaging his power we can use the stuff from the anime.
GT is a sequal to Z made by toei. IN Z toei made buu a galaxy buster. They’re from the same righter so it’s canon
But the power scale gets really contridictive. I’ll give you a perfect example. Broly charged up for about 2 seconds in LSSJ to form a ki blast that blew up a planet. First form Frieza charged up for a bit more and destroyed one too. So first form Frieza charging for about 8 seconds to destroy the planet is= Broly LSSJ a couple seconds of charging?
Or how about this. when they said Raditz was faster than light? Gotenks, even if you say it was in seconds only lapped the earth 8 times, light would have done that much faster. Do you see how we have to have canon stuff to back it up?
As for Kid Buu destroying a galaxy it is technically not since it wasn’t in the manga, unless Akira says it’s offical it is only canon to the ANIME. The movies however are ADAPTIONS to the anime, which means things can be changed. Like the Broly movie, it seems to happen during the ten days before the Cell games, yet they mention no Cell or beating Cell. Nor do they seem worried to be taking on someone who can take a galaxy(In RSSJ form).
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#263 13 May 2008 12:18 am |
ABOVE highest rank Rep: 14Joined: 31 Jan 2008 Posts: 6,202 OFFLINE | Go2movies wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Since we are using Gogeta cannon there is to SOME degree. SSJ3 Goku in the JAnemba movie was cut by Janemba’s sword energy thing, which cut through, what looked like a giant rock thing and also it made a deep gash in his arm(Which mysteriously vanished later on) If Goku can survive it to an extent I’m sure Gogeta SSJ4 could.
You mean like cut in half like Freiza?
No. But it looked as though it went very deep into his shoulder.
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#264 13 May 2008 12:26 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 4Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 2,630 OFFLINE | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
No. But it looked as though it went very deep into his shoulder.
Which is still different from getting cut in half.
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#265 13 May 2008 12:27 am |
guest 91 Guest | vagita was impaled in the shoulder by shemron without being ssj at all and still dealt with it
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#266 13 May 2008 01:26 am |
Ultraman Guest | ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
But the power scale gets really contridictive.
Being able to move planets one day and getting beat up by Ali the next isn’t contridictive?
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
I’ll give you a perfect example. Broly charged up for about 2 seconds in LSSJ to form a ki blast that blew up a planet. First form Frieza charged up for a bit more and destroyed one too. So first form Frieza charging for about 8 seconds to destroy the planet is= Broly LSSJ a couple seconds of charging?
You have to take the size and distance of the planet into account you know.
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Or how about this. when they said Raditz was faster than light? Gotenks, even if you say it was in seconds only lapped the earth 8 times, light would have done that much faster. Do you see how we have to have canon stuff to back it up?
Dub line. Plus Gotenks went around the earth 9 times. That would have been faster than light since light goes around the earth 8 times in a second
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
As for Kid Buu destroying a galaxy it is technically not since it wasn’t in the manga, unless Akira says it’s offical it is only canon to the ANIME. The movies however are ADAPTIONS to the anime, which means things can be changed.
No. The writers behind making buu a gaalxy destroyer are also behind the movies and GT to it’s canon to the anime universe. Powers do not change they stay consistant. You don’t see Vegeta stronger than Goku or something like that
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
Like the Broly movie, it seems to happen during the ten days before the Cell games, yet they mention no Cell or beating Cell. Nor do they seem worried to be taking on someone who can take a galaxy(In RSSJ form).
Regardless the power is still there. Seriously are you telling me you think ssj Broly > ssj4 Gogeta
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#267 13 May 2008 01:33 am |
Ultraman Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
Oh ofcourse it is because its SUPES doing it.If Goku would have done it nothing would be wrong with it.If that isn’t enough him entering hyper time or nearly destroying the universe with his speed is.
No. If Goku did it then I wouldn’t use it cause it’s a universe mechanic. You don’t know how fast one has to go to break the time barrier in DC. For all you know it’s 100 miles an hour since no speed is given! We know he can go lightspeed so that’s fine
Manchester Black wrote:
Yes and when we say Goku can destroy planets we mean only one.
You...ugh. Ok let me put it to you like this. Vegeta could destroy 1 planet. Goku is stronger than Vegeta would could only destroy 1 planet at the time so we can say Goku can destroy a planet many times over. You can’t say that with superman unless he’s stronger than someone who pushed the planet with his breath
Manchester Black wrote:
I don’t know.The point is he got a chain(a redicoulously big one)and moved alot of planets that was a galaxys worth.
I counted 10 planets
Manchester Black wrote:
Thats made of so much fail it isn’t funny.Yes he was in HIS UNIVERSE
Just like superman was in HIS
Manchester Black wrote:
which is mid tier compared to DC.
Why cause you say so?
Manchester Black wrote:
Thats your reason?Fail also since the guy who said it was a galaxy buster and get this that was Bronze Age Superman before he got his Pre-Crisis power up...
That doesn’t mean superman can destroy a galaxy. There’s been nothing to suggest he could even come close. maybe if he destroyed planets and got much much stronger we could say he could destroy a solar system, but not a gaalxy
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#268 13 May 2008 01:44 am |
Soul of the Sacred Tome Rep: 11 Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,376 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
No. If Goku did it then I wouldn’t use it cause it’s a universe mechanic. You don’t know how fast one has to go to break the time barrier in DC. For all you know it’s 100 miles an hour since no speed is given! We know he can go lightspeed so that’s fine
You say that but I highly doubt it.Whatever he moved so fast he nearly destroyed creation.
Ultraman wrote:
You...ugh. Ok let me put it to you like this. Vegeta could destroy 1 planet. Goku is stronger than Vegeta would could only destroy 1 planet at the time so we can say Goku can destroy a planet many times over. You can’t say that with superman unless he’s stronger than someone who pushed the planet with his breath
You didn’t get a word of what I typed did you?When people say Goku can destroy planets we know he can’t destroy multiple planets at once like we know theres nothing to suggest Supes can move multiple planets with his breath.
Ultraman wrote:
I counted 10 planets
Yes because thats all thats in a galaxy......
Ultraman wrote:
Just like superman was in HIS
That doesn’t even make sense...
Ultraman wrote:
Why cause you say so?
I mean DC only has universe busters,reality warpers,psychics that put Professor X to shame,people who are so smart they make Bulma look stupid,gods that are actually worth shit,multiverse busters,etc.I almost feel like I was being generous by saying mid tier now.
Ultraman wrote:
That doesn’t mean superman can destroy a galaxy. There’s been nothing to suggest he could even come close. maybe if he destroyed planets and got much much stronger we could say he could destroy a solar system, but not a gaalxy
You missed the point.Your implying Gogeta wins because he can dish out more.This isn’t anywhere close to true.
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#269 13 May 2008 01:57 am |
Ultraman Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
You say that but I highly doubt it.Whatever he moved so fast he nearly destroyed creation.
How fast do you have to move to destroy creation in the DC unvierse? Exact number if you don’t mind
Manchester Black wrote:
You didn’t get a word of what I typed did you?When people say Goku can destroy planets we know he can’t destroy multiple planets at once like we know theres nothing to suggest Supes can move multiple planets with his breath.
Goku could if they’re lined up
Manchester Black wrote:
Yes because thats all thats in a galaxy......
I don’t know...I’m still a little suspicious about it, but whatever
Manchester Black wrote:
That doesn’t even make sense...
Superman was considered the strongest in HIS universe. Gogeta was considered the strongest in HIS universe
Manchester Black wrote:
I mean DC only has universe busters,reality warpers,psychics that put Professor X to shame,people who are so smart they make Bulma look stupid,gods that are actually worth shit,multiverse busters,etc.I almost feel like I was being generous by saying mid tier now.
Being able to make a translating device out of broken parts in a few SECONDS isn’t close to stupid even by DC standers. Janemba could destroy the unviverse (how he could is a debate for some othertime) The DBZ universe isn’t composed of the pushovers you seem to make it
Manchester Black wrote:
You missed the point.Your implying Gogeta wins because he can dish out more.This isn’t anywhere close to true.
Then how is superman going to beat Gogeta? I haven’t seen PC destroy a planet. Let alone what Goeta could probably take (God help you if you say Freeza is more durable that Gogeta. Gogeta can make copies of him self and spam galaxy busters unitil PC is dead
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#270 13 May 2008 02:19 am |
Soul of the Sacred Tome Rep: 11Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,376 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
How fast do you have to move to destroy creation in the DC unvierse? Exact number if you don’t mind
Exact numbers don’t have to.When you got a guy who can travel at trillions of times lightspeed without causing damage and then moving so fast he nearly destroys creation that says something.
Ultraman wrote:
Goku could if they’re lined up
And PC Supes could probably move alot of planets if they were close by.
Ultraman wrote:
I don’t know...I’m still a little suspicious about it, but whatever
It said galaxy of planets if I remember right.
Ultraman wrote:
Superman was considered the strongest in HIS universe. Gogeta was considered the strongest in HIS universe
Thats not what it looked like you were saying.
Ultraman wrote:
Being able to make a translating device out of broken parts in a few SECONDS isn’t close to stupid even by DC standers. Janemba could destroy the unviverse (how he could is a debate for some othertime) The DBZ universe isn’t composed of the pushovers you seem to make it
It is when you got guys like Luthor,Joker,5th dimension imps,Braniac,etc.Goku said Janemba could but he has never shown anything close to this.It is since DC has thousands of characters who could solo them.
Ultraman wrote:
Then how is superman going to beat Gogeta? I haven’t seen PC destroy a planet. Let alone what Goeta could probably take (God help you if you say Freeza is more durable that Gogeta. Gogeta can make copies of him self and spam galaxy busters unitil PC is dead
So much wrong with just this one statement.You never saw Janemba destroy the universe yet you seem to think he can.Anyway Post-Crisis can destroy a planet with his fists he is crap to Pre-Crisis.So because we haven’t seen Gogetas durability he can survive a planet buster?No.Anyway everyone says he can make copies prove it.Infact prove he can make galaxy busters.Also did you miss where I said Bronze age beat a galaxy buster?
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#271 13 May 2008 03:02 am |
Ultraman Guest | Manchester Black wrote:
Exact numbers don’t have to.When you got a guy who can travel at trillions of times lightspeed without causing damage and then moving so fast he nearly destroys creation that says something.
PC hasn’t travled trillions of times the speed of light. By your logic prime is slower than PC since he was able to go from one universe to the next in only a few seconds and did no harm
Manchester Black wrote:
And PC Supes could probably move alot of planets if they were close by.
*facepalm*
Blowing a planet into another would DESTROY them. Also I take back that I said he wouldn’tneed them to be lined up. He just extends his ki in all directions. He could destroy a few solar systems like that since Broly destroyed an entire galaxy. Surely you don’t believe ssj Broly > ssj3 Goku
Manchester Black wrote:
It said galaxy of planets if I remember right.
No it said “by moving these planets from the galaxy” which is why it doesn’t sit right with me
Manchester Black wrote:
Thats not what it looked like you were saying.
well it was
Manchester Black wrote:
It is when you got guys like Luthor,Joker,5th dimension imps,Braniac,etc.Goku said Janemba could but he has never shown anything close to this.It is since DC has thousands of characters who could solo them.
Not stupid. Not the smartest but not stupid. Messing with realality to the point where it brakes? ALL of DBZ? Please tell me you jest
Manchester Black wrote:
So much wrong with just this one statement.You never saw Janemba destroy the universe yet you seem to think he can.Anyway Post-Crisis can destroy a planet with his fists he is crap to Pre-Crisis.So because we haven’t seen Gogetas durability he can survive a planet buster?No.Anyway everyone says he can make copies prove it.Infact prove he can make galaxy busters.Also did you miss where I said Bronze age beat a galaxy buster?
I saw him do something that could at least lead to universe distruction. I’m pretty sure post crisis (Who i’m pretty sure is from another writer) can DAMAGE the planet from fighting with another superman. So you really do believe Freeza > ssj4 Gogeta in durability? He’s stronger than janemba and buu who destroyed galaxies. Yes he was A galaxy buster. Gogeta is thounds of times stronger that those guys. And just go watch episode 64 of GT. IT’s right there
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#272 13 May 2008 06:09 am |
Buster Sword Guest | Can you prove that blast wasn’t strong enough to destroy a planet 10 times over?
Blasting a planet 10x over doesn’t equal solar system busting LOLZ
Manchester Black = Bustersword
Yup that’s why he thinks Dante can beat Cloud and why I think Cloud can beat Dante, we put up quite a show to fool everyone, because we are the same person.
I’ve explained this before. Universe mechanic. Unless an actual speed is given it can’t be used to say he’s faster than Gogeta
FAIL. Fails so hard.
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#273 13 May 2008 06:33 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 32 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 7,622 ONLINE | Gogeta could kill superman in no time...
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#274 13 May 2008 06:55 am |
Buster Sword Guest | Gogeta could kill superman in no time...
You should be banished from the internets for talking crap. LOL.
This is the same guy who thought infinity crisis was pre-crisis Supes LOL
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#275 13 May 2008 07:00 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 32Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 7,622 ONLINE | Yes they are... Gogeta more stronger than them well unless those superman attacks gogeta at the same time...
LOL
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#276 13 May 2008 07:15 am |
Buster Sword Guest | Yes they are
And this is why you fail.
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#277 13 May 2008 07:16 am |
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#278 13 May 2008 07:38 am |
Buster Sword Guest | Infinite Crisis, a seven-issue limited series launched in 2005, revisits many elements of the original Crisis, with Earth Two’s Superman Kal-L returning to mainstream “reality," accompanied by Earth-Three’s Alexander Luthor, Jr. and Earth-Prime’s Superboy. The series concluded with the creation of a “New Earth”, in which certain elements of the DC Universe were changed.
In addition, the sequel series, 52 ends with the DC Multiverse being restored, albeit with only 52 parallel worlds.
That is why you fail.
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#279 13 May 2008 07:43 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26 Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,611 OFFLINE | Ultraman wrote:
Suggesting snakeway wasn’t damaged cause of cell suggests one of 2 things
1. Snakeway is made up or a material harder than a planet (which Chaosmage’s point would still stand)
2. The blast power wasn’t equal to it’s size. I seem to recall Manchester Black showing a scan of the sun eater’s explosion. I pointed out that the explosion was too small to be a supernova and he said that the size of the blast wasn’t equal to how much power was in the actual blast. That was probably true in cells bombs case aswell.
The second theory is supported by 16’s bomb being a threat to cell. We saw him take a kamehameha that was enough to blow up the earth at the very least 2 times over however cell was scared of 16’s bomb. 16 stated no one would survive the blast if the didn’t get away meaning it would have destroyed the earth but was stronger than a beam that was enough to. Either way calling cells bomb ONLY a planet destroyer is silly
It suggests that Cell was lying about it destorying earth so that no one would have tryed to escape the blast like the solar system crap plus snake way is about 200,000 miles long.You phail.
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#280 13 May 2008 07:45 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 26Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 1,611 OFFLINE | Gotenks went around the world 7 or 8 times in 29 minutes and got to buu’s location in one than the fusion stopped.
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