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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.
what do you think a 150mill power how many planets he can bust?

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seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.

Broly id not have years to get that. The only reason Goku got big power boosts is because he trained. In Movie 10, Broly was frozen for 7 years. Unless you think Broly gets stronger while frozen.

Also 30,000x? Bullshit. Give me proof they get 30,000 times more powerful every year.

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13 May 2008 02:14 pm
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.

Broly id not have years to get that. The only reason Goku got big power boosts is because he trained. In Movie 10, Broly was frozen for 7 years. Unless you think Broly gets stronger while frozen.

Also 30,000x? Bullshit. Give me proof they get 30,000 times more powerful every year.

im not talking brolly with 30000 thats for goku.
if you use that for goku you’ll get the pl of goku ex: old base form can destroy planet now new base from can destroy 2 planets in one blast and brolly is stronger than new goku and his power can destroy 3 planets in 1 blast.
30,000?its time for you to study dbz history.

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seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.

Broly id not have years to get that. The only reason Goku got big power boosts is because he trained. In Movie 10, Broly was frozen for 7 years. Unless you think Broly gets stronger while frozen.

Also 30,000x? Bullshit. Give me proof they get 30,000 times more powerful every year.

im not talking brolly with 30000 thats for goku.
if you use that for goku you’ll get the pl of goku ex: old base form can destroy planet now new base from can destroy 2 planets in one blast and brolly is stronger than new goku and his power can destroy 3 planets in 1 blast.
30,000?its time for you to study dbz history.

I would agree with that, but it depends on how it is aimed. I mean if it’s aimed straight down at the earth it is only going to bust a planet.

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13 May 2008 02:18 pm
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.

Broly id not have years to get that. The only reason Goku got big power boosts is because he trained. In Movie 10, Broly was frozen for 7 years. Unless you think Broly gets stronger while frozen.

Also 30,000x? Bullshit. Give me proof they get 30,000 times more powerful every year.

im not talking brolly with 30000 thats for goku.
if you use that for goku you’ll get the pl of goku ex: old base form can destroy planet now new base from can destroy 2 planets in one blast and brolly is stronger than new goku and his power can destroy 3 planets in 1 blast.
30,000?its time for you to study dbz history.

I would agree with that, but it depends on how it is aimed. I mean if it’s aimed straight down at the earth it is only going to bust a planet.

who broly?

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seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.

Broly id not have years to get that. The only reason Goku got big power boosts is because he trained. In Movie 10, Broly was frozen for 7 years. Unless you think Broly gets stronger while frozen.

Also 30,000x? Bullshit. Give me proof they get 30,000 times more powerful every year.

im not talking brolly with 30000 thats for goku.
if you use that for goku you’ll get the pl of goku ex: old base form can destroy planet now new base from can destroy 2 planets in one blast and brolly is stronger than new goku and his power can destroy 3 planets in 1 blast.
30,000?its time for you to study dbz history.

I would agree with that, but it depends on how it is aimed. I mean if it’s aimed straight down at the earth it is only going to bust a planet.

who broly?

Depends on what he fires. We don’t even know if the galaxy buster was a ki ball,beam, or an explosion of some kind.

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#327
13 May 2008 02:27 pm
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ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
seed wrote:
ChibiDiscoDhaos wrote:
another one that proves MY point.

what do you think little by little again.

There is nothing to suggest he can do it all at once. But there is evidence to suggest it would be little by little.

where it stated little by little?
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It doesn’t have to be stated. There is evidence. The fact that Broly has only busted a galaxy and has yet to show anything of any more destructive nature.

it been stated you denial.
what do you think a power level of 150mill can only bust planet?

It’s been stated he can do it all in one blast? Yeah thats what I thought.
As I said before it depends on how it is aimed.

and what do you think little by little until broly gets old?
a 150 million can bust a sun.

Saiyans don’t get old as fast as humans remember? They keep their youth for awhile.

and then what do you think broly power level did not reach universe buster?and dont tell me when he destroyed a galaxy little by little?
can’t answer?a 150 million can bust a sun

So Broly is more than one trillion times stronger than Cell? If he is a universe buster he would have to be.

i dont know the full power of cell and as far as i know he’s charging when he say he can destroy solar system.

Well Broly would be more than a million times over galaxy busting too if he could destroy the universe in one go.

use 30,000x per year of goku thats is only example to get goku’s power.
in fact that is small.

Broly id not have years to get that. The only reason Goku got big power boosts is because he trained. In Movie 10, Broly was frozen for 7 years. Unless you think Broly gets stronger while frozen.

Also 30,000x? Bullshit. Give me proof they get 30,000 times more powerful every year.

im not talking brolly with 30000 thats for goku.
if you use that for goku you’ll get the pl of goku ex: old base form can destroy planet now new base from can destroy 2 planets in one blast and brolly is stronger than new goku and his power can destroy 3 planets in 1 blast.
30,000?its time for you to study dbz history.

I would agree with that, but it depends on how it is aimed. I mean if it’s aimed straight down at the earth it is only going to bust a planet.

who broly?

Depends on what he fires. We don’t even know if the galaxy buster was a ki ball,beam, or an explosion of some kind.

maybe this is different to the explosion since when he destroyed the galaxythere is no explosion was seen.
but the more power the more explosion,unless they minimize the size of bomb but the energy is still the same.
i’ll be back after a few hours

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#328
13 May 2008 03:14 pm
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Superman Prime wrote:
Ultraman wrote: Suggesting snakeway wasn’t damaged cause of cell suggests one of 2 things

1. Snakeway is made up or a material harder than a planet (which Chaosmage’s point would still stand)

2. The blast power wasn’t equal to it’s size. I seem to recall Manchester Black showing a scan of the sun eater’s explosion. I pointed out that the explosion was too small to be a supernova and he said that the size of the blast wasn’t equal to how much power was in the actual blast. That was probably true in cells bombs case aswell.

The second theory is supported by 16’s bomb being a threat to cell. We saw him take a kamehameha that was enough to blow up the earth at the very least 2 times over however cell was scared of 16’s bomb. 16 stated no one would survive the blast if the didn’t get away meaning it would have destroyed the earth but was stronger than a beam that was enough to. Either way calling cells bomb ONLY a planet destroyer is silly


It suggests that Cell was lying about it destorying earth so that no one would have tryed to escape the blast like the solar system crap plus snake way is about 200,000 miles long.You phail.


So you not only make up feats for superman but you can’t do math? Way to go. Cell’s bomb would have destroyed the earth. Saying otherwise is saying he’s weaker than saiyan saga Vegeta. Seriously, please just die

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You realize Superman Prime has you in a bind now right?Telling someone to die is a bandable offence.

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#330
13 May 2008 03:18 pm
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Superman Prime wrote: Gotenks went around the world 7 or 8 times in 29 minutes and got to buu’s location in one than the fusion stopped.



No. It was a few seconds. He stated he took a nap after he flew around the earth. The manga says he had LESS than a minute till the fusion ended.

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Ultraman wrote:
Superman Prime wrote:
Ultraman wrote: Suggesting snakeway wasn’t damaged cause of cell suggests one of 2 things

1. Snakeway is made up or a material harder than a planet (which Chaosmage’s point would still stand)

2. The blast power wasn’t equal to it’s size. I seem to recall Manchester Black showing a scan of the sun eater’s explosion. I pointed out that the explosion was too small to be a supernova and he said that the size of the blast wasn’t equal to how much power was in the actual blast. That was probably true in cells bombs case aswell.

The second theory is supported by 16’s bomb being a threat to cell. We saw him take a kamehameha that was enough to blow up the earth at the very least 2 times over however cell was scared of 16’s bomb. 16 stated no one would survive the blast if the didn’t get away meaning it would have destroyed the earth but was stronger than a beam that was enough to. Either way calling cells bomb ONLY a planet destroyer is silly


It suggests that Cell was lying about it destorying earth so that no one would have tryed to escape the blast like the solar system crap plus snake way is about 200,000 miles long.You phail.


So you not only make up feats for superman but you can’t do math? Way to go. Cell’s bomb would have destroyed the earth. Saying otherwise is saying he’s weaker than saiyan saga Vegeta. Seriously, please just die

Majin Vegeta’s explosion must be weaker than Saiyan saga Vegeta’s galic gun then.

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Ultraman wrote:
No. It was a few seconds. He stated he took a nap after he flew around the earth. The manga says he had LESS than a minute till the fusion ended.

Me and Zym had this discussion.I posted the scan.Piccolo said he had a minute left.

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#333
13 May 2008 03:22 pm
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Manchester Black wrote: You realize Superman Prime has you in a bind now right?Telling someone to die is a bandable offence.


You know what I don’t give a shit. This site houses some of the worst superman fanboys who are walking, talking contradictions! Maybe I should just leave and let you all talk about how superman is the greatest hero ever while masturbating to his picture. I know you do. God I think Gogeta would win but I’m not fucking saying it would be an easy battle like you guys. You guys accuse cell of lying about destroying a galaxy but then bring up character who you say said the could destroy a universe but didn’t and believe them. You know what you can go join prime

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13 May 2008 03:28 pm
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Ultraman wrote:
You know what I don’t give a shit.

Okay I was just informing you.

Ultraman wrote:
This site houses some of the worst superman fanboys who are walking, talking contradictions!

Yes considering we provide scans,reasons,among other things while you on the other hand just say Janemba can destroy the universe because Goku said he could...

Ultraman wrote:
Maybe I should just leave and let you all talk about how superman is the greatest hero ever

Hilarious since I prefer god knows how many Super heroes over Superman.

Ultraman wrote:
while masturbating to his picture. I know you do.

LOL you are trully pathetic.Just because your losing a debate and your character can’t win you resort to insults.I would play your game but I’m a better person than you are.

Ultraman wrote:
God I think Gogeta would win but I’m not fucking saying it would be an easy battle like you guys.

And you never gave a good answer as to why.I just provided you with dozens of scans showing why Gogeta stands no chance.Did you even look at them?

Ultraman wrote:
You guys accuse cell of lying about destroying a galaxy but then bring up character who you say said the could destroy a universe but didn’t and believe them.

First off it was solar system.Second Imperiex has the power of the big bang while Cell has his big mouth.The Antimonitor DID destroy universes.

Ultraman wrote:
You know what you can go join prime

Reported

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Ultraman wrote:
Manchester Black wrote: You realize Superman Prime has you in a bind now right?Telling someone to die is a bandable offence.


You know what I don’t give a shit. This site houses some of the worst superman fanboys who are walking, talking contradictions! Maybe I should just leave and let you all talk about how superman is the greatest hero ever while masturbating to his picture. I know you do. God I think Gogeta would win but I’m not fucking saying it would be an easy battle like you guys. You guys accuse cell of lying about destroying a galaxy but then bring up character who you say said the could destroy a universe but didn’t and believe them. You know what you can go join prime
I never said it was going to be easy...And I’m no Superman fanboy. I like DBZ WAY more than DC.

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Ultraman.

Don’t encourage suicide in the future.

For now, a one week ban, and if it happens again, permanent.

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Thank you Green Ninja.

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I thought you were gone Green Ninja. I havn’t seen you in ages.

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Damn. So this is what happens when someone really lets loose. Seriously, I still don’t see why people keep thinking that we are Superman fans. And the suicide threat really didn’t help at all.

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Ultraman wrote:
Manchester Black wrote: You realize Superman Prime has you in a bind now right?Telling someone to die is a bandable offence.


You know what I don’t give a shit. This site houses some of the worst superman fanboys who are walking, talking contradictions! Maybe I should just leave and let you all talk about how superman is the greatest hero ever while masturbating to his picture. I know you do. God I think Gogeta would win but I’m not fucking saying it would be an easy battle like you guys. You guys accuse cell of lying about destroying a galaxy but then bring up character who you say said the could destroy a universe but didn’t and believe them. You know what you can go join prime


I can’t wait for this DBZ fanboyism to die out.

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