Just throwin' this out there, but religious beliefs don’t say anything about evolution not being true.It could fit with the story of creation, if you really think about it. I think the bible has much more symbolic meaning than everyone thinks. Some things mean something other than how we perceived it. If that made any sense ... If not, pay no mind.
Well, death is only as bad as one makes it. Does it always have to be so depressing? No, it doesn’t. Religion plays on death and escaping from it as a consistent theme as a way to scare and/or comfort you. No one wants to depart from their friends or family, but trying to imagine a comforting concept doesn’t wake it true. Atheists accept that death is inevitable and a universal, natural part of life so we don’t spend much time pondering about it. However, this is also why we value life so much more, because we know this is the only life we get. We are grossly lucky to be alive, so instead of focusing on death why not just live your life? As far as I’m concerned, death can’t be any worse than what it felt like before I was born.
But when I think about it, know that on my death, the atoms that have been my body and brain, and created my mind, will return to the universe. They’ll stay around on Earth for millions of years, inhabiting the bodies of countless people and other organisms, but eventually, aeons from now, they will return to the great engines of creation that formed them. The stars. When the earth is a sterile, charred rock,
my body will be part of stars, planets, comets' tails
and brightly shining nebulae. Some of me will briefly fuel a distant sun and be burnt into energy, and the photons that were once me will skim the edges of the universe, spiral into black holes, and maybe illuminate the face of a child looking at the night sky for the very first time. So in a way you do get immortality.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Just throwin' this out there, but religious beliefs don’t say anything about evolution not being true.It could fit with the story of creation, if you really think about it. I think the bible has much more symbolic meaning than everyone thinks. Some things mean something other than how we perceived it. If that made any sense ... If not, pay no mind.
Well the problem with symbolism is that no one knows which parts are meant to be taken seriously and which parts are to be taken literally. For a while people used to think the Earth was flat because that’s what the Bible said. They were saying it was meant to be taken literally until the point that we found out the Earth is flat, then suddenly it became symbolic. I sense most people only take things in the Bible literally until it’s been disproven.
"But when I think about it, know that on my death, the atoms that have been my body and brain, and created my mind, will return to the universe. They’ll stay around on Earth for millions of years, inhabiting the bodies of countless people and other organisms, but eventually, aeons from now, they will return to the great engines of creation that formed them. The stars. When the earth is a sterile, charred rock,
my body will be part of stars, planets, comets' tails
and brightly shining nebulae. Some of me will briefly fuel a distant sun and be burnt into energy, and the photons that were once me will skim the edges of the universe, spiral into black holes, and maybe illuminate the face of a child looking at the night sky for the very first time. So in a way you do get immortality."
you keep talking of death as if it’s sudden, but the fact is that it may in fact be quite painful and rather disturbing. I personaly don’t have to worry about death or non-existance, and I mean that very sincerly.
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
--- Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it."
ramunematt wrote:
Well, death is only as bad as one makes it. Does it always have to be so depressing? No, it doesn’t. Religion plays on death and escaping from it as a consistent theme as a way to scare and/or comfort you. No one wants to depart from their friends or family, but trying to imagine a comforting concept doesn’t wake it true. Atheists accept that death is inevitable and a universal, natural part of life so we don’t spend much time pondering about it. However, this is also why we value life so much more, because we know this is the only life we get. We are grossly lucky to be alive, so instead of focusing on death why not just live your life? As far as I’m concerned, death can’t be any worse than what it felt like before I was born.
But when I think about it, know that on my death, the atoms that have been my body and brain, and created my mind, will return to the universe. They’ll stay around on Earth for millions of years, inhabiting the bodies of countless people and other organisms, but eventually, aeons from now, they will return to the great engines of creation that formed them. The stars. When the earth is a sterile, charred rock,
my body will be part of stars, planets, comets' tails
and brightly shining nebulae. Some of me will briefly fuel a distant sun and be burnt into energy, and the photons that were once me will skim the edges of the universe, spiral into black holes, and maybe illuminate the face of a child looking at the night sky for the very first time. So in a way you do get immortality.
Why am I in the religion section? Well, you can call it passion. I like to expand my knowledge on the subject because I find it so interesting.
So, ramuematt, can you move the earth? No. Can humanity move the earth? No. Look down, can you see the earth move? No. And in that respect, the earth can’t be moved. But yes, it IS moving, through no act of our own.
Catholics are not Christians. The Catholics persecuted the Christians.
--- Not dead that which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons death may die.
- H. P. LovecraftJoin the Order
ChaosSpartan wrote:
So, ramuematt, can you move the earth? No. Can humanity move the earth? No. Look down, can you see the earth move? No. And in that respect, the earth can’t be moved. But yes, it IS moving, through no act of our own.
Catholics are not Christians. The Catholics persecuted the Christians.
First part - what does that have to do with anything?
How can they, science is constantly poking holes in religious texts and claims, and as long as science says in the realm of facts, on what can be tested, its going to continue pissing off religious nuts.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
ramunematt wrote:
Well, death is only as bad as one makes it. Does it always have to be so depressing? No, it doesn’t. Religion plays on death and escaping from it as a consistent theme as a way to scare and/or comfort you. No one wants to depart from their friends or family, but trying to imagine a comforting concept doesn’t wake it true. Atheists accept that death is inevitable and a universal, natural part of life so we don’t spend much time pondering about it. However, this is also why we value life so much more, because we know this is the only life we get. We are grossly lucky to be alive, so instead of focusing on death why not just live your life? As far as I’m concerned, death can’t be any worse than what it felt like before I was born.
But when I think about it, know that on my death, the atoms that have been my body and brain, and created my mind, will return to the universe. They’ll stay around on Earth for millions of years, inhabiting the bodies of countless people and other organisms, but eventually, aeons from now, they will return to the great engines of creation that formed them. The stars. When the earth is a sterile, charred rock,
my body will be part of stars, planets, comets' tails
and brightly shining nebulae. Some of me will briefly fuel a distant sun and be burnt into energy, and the photons that were once me will skim the edges of the universe, spiral into black holes, and maybe illuminate the face of a child looking at the night sky for the very first time. So in a way you do get immortality.
Why am I in the religion section? Well, you can call it passion. I like to expand my knowledge on the subject because I find it so interesting.
So, ramuematt, can you move the earth? No. Can humanity move the earth? No. Look down, can you see the earth move? No. And in that respect, the earth can’t be moved. But yes, it IS moving, through no act of our own.
Catholics are not Christians. The Catholics persecuted the Christians.
Everything has a equal and opposite reaction, I jump and the earth moves slightly, so small that it can not be detected by us humans senses, but it moved. As the earth gravity pulls on me, and thus my gravity feild pulls on the earth, again moving the planet.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
They’re coexisting right now. To differ would be to say either Science or Religion doesn’t exist.
Coexist? Knowledge is the enemy to religion. I dont think religion wants knowledge around...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
They’re coexisting right now. To differ would be to say either Science or Religion doesn’t exist.
Coexist? Knowledge is the enemy to religion. I dont think religion wants knowledge around...
This is why people get pissed off with you...
And they are co-existing right now, to differ, you must say one of them doesn’t exist. People believe in both science and religion in our modern times so therefore they’re coexisting right now unless everyone in the entire world is just pretending to believe.
Sean of the Living wrote:
They’re coexisting right now. To differ would be to say either Science or Religion doesn’t exist.
Coexist? Knowledge is the enemy to religion. I dont think religion wants knowledge around...
This is why people get pissed off with you...
And they are co-existing right now, to differ, you must say one of them doesn’t exist. People believe in both science and religion in our modern times so therefore they’re coexisting right now unless everyone in the entire world is just pretending to believe.
I assume you ment that they can coexist without friction, which they can not. Religion is basically the reverse of science...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Sean of the Living wrote:
They’re coexisting right now. To differ would be to say either Science or Religion doesn’t exist.
Coexist? Knowledge is the enemy to religion. I dont think religion wants knowledge around...
another example of why we’re hated.
tell everybody religious they dont want knowledge. very true.
--- Theory is not a guess or hunch. A theory is a logical, self-consistent model. I am a theory. I’m logical and self-consistent about eradicating religion. Um. I guess a theory is a hunch because I’m a hunchback. In fact, I am the hunchback of Notre Dame. It’s ten cents a ride.
Sean of the Living wrote:
They’re coexisting right now. To differ would be to say either Science or Religion doesn’t exist.
Coexist? Knowledge is the enemy to religion. I dont think religion wants knowledge around...
another example of why we’re hated.
tell everybody religious they dont want knowledge. very true.
Religion has been standing in the way of science for thousands of years. Few examples, the dark ages, pope killing people who say the earth is not flat, and is not the center of the universe. Religion does not want knowledge.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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