| 20 Oct 2007 01:58 am |
Andy Condor Guest |
 Tracy Lee wrote:
For arguments sake just to show to those people who think Wonder Woman is not strong and fast as Supergirl then let me quote this from Googe-Princess Diana of Themyscria
Her primary powers include:
Superhuman strength: It is obvious her strength is magical in nature, given her height and weight. Her strength is near the order of SupermanÕs or Captain MarvelÕs. With her superhuman strength and superior fighting abilities, she has proven to be a match for either one of them at one time or another. Her strength level has been augmented in the past with the Gauntlet of Atlas but Wonder Woman was unable to control the level of enhanced strength the
device gave her.
Superspeed: It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedsterÕs average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities). Since Wonder Woman lacks the speed aura of true speedsters, the environmental effects/disruptions that she causes probably prevent her from utilizing superspeed mobility as a common mode of travel. With bracers forged by Hephastes, Wonder Woman boosts her resistance to injury with her near-indestructible bracers. She is able to deflect attacks that might otherwise cause her considerable injury but she can only deflect attacks she is aware of.
Superhuman Reflexes: Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to lower-level speedsters such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, somewhere in the range of 8 to 20 times normal human reflexes with concentration. She, however, does not maintain her enhanced speed awareness due to the temporal difficulties such thinking causes her. She seems able to keep up with Jesse Quick, referencing her patron diety of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes as the source of her powers.
My man (mman) you should read this before debating.
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NO EXCEPTIONS Rep: 53  Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 14,463 OFFLINE | Wonder Woman wins easily.
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Codie Forrexter Guest | Thank you Calibur
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Ryo Ketchum Guest | Lets see.We have a mutant strong as 47 men put together,15 times faster than an average man,agile/reflexed as hell,has
cool spider sense and can climb walls going up against a woman (rather a goddess) who can fly and is almost strong and fast as Superman.
Sigh-yes this is a hard one.
| | | 25 Oct 2007 06:23 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | spidey...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 25 Oct 2007 06:32 am |
Ryo Ketchum Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
spidey...
OK? What about him?
| | | 25 Oct 2007 09:16 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | I saying spidey... in real combat we just dont need power but instinct and intelect too. Spider web even can make Human Torch becoming unable to flare him self...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 25 Oct 2007 09:38 am |
Ryo Ketchum Guest | Wonder Woman is not the human torch.She is almost strong Superman and even fast as The Flash.If Spiderman webbed her
then she easly brake free like she did in Wonder Woman vs Spiderman issue #12.And I doubt Spiderman’s webs can hold out Human Torch’s flame since he can just burn through them
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | It’s spidey we talking about... in just one fight then yes wondie but if not then spidey try researching her main weakness and attack her using more powerfull web...  ...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 26 Oct 2007 11:03 am |
Ryo Ketchum Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
It’s spidey we talking about... in just one fight then yes wondie but if not then spidey try researching her main weakness and attack her using more powerfull web... ...
So how is he going research Wonder Woman’s weakness?Unlike Superman,Wonder Woman doesn’t have a weakness and Spiderman would be lucky enough facing Superman who’s generous when fighting villians less powerfull than him unlike Wonder Woman who has a bad temper.
| | | 27 Oct 2007 02:21 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | So how is he going research Wonder Woman’s weakness?Unlike Superman,Wonder Woman doesn’t have a weakness and Spiderman would be lucky enough facing Superman who’s generous when fighting villians less powerfull than him unlike Wonder Woman who has a bad temper.
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doing silly thing... and using sleep gas and throw it to her... and when she fall a sleep... you guess what happen next... ... btw spidey is the smart guy... he can use electricty to her just like he did to superboy... even strom can defeat her using normal lightning... the thread should be Wonder Woman vs Rogue (X-MEN)...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 27 Oct 2007 05:17 am |
M.White Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
So how is he going research Wonder Woman’s weakness?Unlike Superman,Wonder Woman doesn’t have a weakness and Spiderman would be lucky enough facing Superman who’s generous when fighting villians less powerfull than him unlike Wonder Woman who has a bad temper.
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doing silly thing... and using sleep gas and throw it to her... and when she fall a sleep... you guess what happen next... ... btw spidey is the smart guy... he can use electricty to her just like he did to superboy... even strom can defeat her using normal lightning... the thread should be Wonder Woman vs Rogue (X-MEN)...
And where is Spiderman going to get the gas if I may ask?And how do you know it will be effective against Wonder Woman who has bathed in lava? Lightning is very different than electricity and I doubt it can knock her out.Wonder Woman is more
stronger and faster than Superboy by the way? And
on that note Spiderman won that match against Superboy because lame fans voted Spiderman more than Superboy.
Wonder Woman vs Rogue?
She’s much more stronger than Rogue and not to mention a hell of a lot faster.
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | Wonder Woman vs Rogue?
She’s much more stronger than Rogue and not to mention a hell of a lot faster.
Superspeed: It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedsterÕs average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities).
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Rogue could move at speed of sound... Not just manga I also read X-Men from Marvel better than DC... She could follow and trap black bird which have sound speed... You should not remember that Rouge could absorb her opponents abilities... almost everything... mind, power, speed and even memory... If she touch her opponent in long time period her opponents will have lost their life... if not he/she will lost their conciousses... One thing for sure even Badman could touch Wondie in bare hand combat so there is a chance for Rogue to touch her and absorb all her power and everything...
Back to gas... if the battle in the city spidey just need to find gun shop and find some gas sleep or anything to make her sleep... if you talking about punching and kicking between them n not let anyone of them using his/her mind or in arena then spidey would be out... if in the city we talking about that is my answer for you... Gun shop...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 27 Oct 2007 07:27 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | Out of Topic... Sorry... Rogue power and abilites.
Do you think Rogue cant defeat wonder woman...
Wonder Woman vs Rogue?
She’s much more stronger than Rogue and not to mention a hell of a lot faster.
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Powers and abilities
Due to the nature of her unique mutant powers Rogue has had several different abilities over the years:
[edit] Mutant powers
Rogue’s mutant ability allows her to absorb the essence of anyone she touches through skin to skin contact. This includes their personality, memories, and often their physical characteristics. In the case of super-powered individuals, she also absorbs any extra abilities they might possess. This absorption usually leaves its victim weakened, and sometimes unconscious. Their powers may also be temporarily weakened or removed.
This transfer is usually temporary, lasting for a period of time relative to how long contact is maintained, but if Rogue holds on to her victim for too long, the transfer may become permanent, leaving the victim dead. Most often this process happens instantly when Rogue touches someone, but in certain instances where a being has possessed an extraordinary level of power they are able to resist her, and she may only share part of their memories and power.
As Rogue is absorbing the total psyche of a person, there is a risk of a personality overwhelming her and taking control of her body. It has also been shown that even though Rogue forgets the memories she has absorbed when a psyche returns to its body, 'echoes' of their personalities remain buried in her mind.
Rogue is able to absorb psyches and abilities of several beings at once, though the experience can be confusing and disorienting for her.
[edit] Ms. Marvel powers
As a young woman Rogue permanently absorbed the many powers and psyche of Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers):
Superhuman strength, capable of lifting up to 80 tons.
Superhuman durability to most forms of physical harm, though she could still be injured in extreme cases.
Flight (her speeds were often inconsistently presented).
Precognitive seventh sense (this ability was also inconsistently utilized).
Resistance to telepathy (said to have been a byproduct of two minds existing in the one body and/or Carol Danvers' Kree physiology).
When Rogue later lost all of her superhuman abilities for a time, her Ms. Marvel abilities vanished and did not return.
[edit] 'X-Treme' powers
During the Maximum Security miniseries, Rogue absorbed an injured Skrull girl named Z’Cann. The girl held on longer than necessary, using her telepathy to boost the process and because of this (perhaps because she had absorbed a fluid Skrull physiology) Rogue mutated further, gaining the ability to 'recall' the powers of anyone she had ever absorbed before, though she could not control when or which of these powers surfaced. For a short time Rogue also had a Skrull appearance, scanned as though she had Skrull DNA and had their shape-shifting powers, but these soon faded and she returned to her normal appearance.
Through meditation Rogue learned how to suppress the random manifestations of most of these abilities, but found herself with Wolverine’s claws and healing factor, and Cyclops' optic blasts for a time (she had to wear Ruby Quartz glasses), while also still retaining her mutant and Ms. Marvel powers.
Later Sage used her own mutant abilities to 'jump start' Rogue’s power, giving her the control to manifest any ability she had ever absorbed, whenever she wished to. It is generally accepted that after regaining her powers after X-Treme X-Men, she has lost this ability.
Though Z’Cann was a telepath, Rogue never displayed this power (she did manifest telepathy, but it was with the Phoenix energy form, so it was most likely an echo of Jean Grey’s powers).
[edit] Powerless
For a time Rogue lost all of her powers, including her original mutant ones. During this period she displayed exceptional fighting skills and agility, though it was said these were not superhuman in nature.
She also still possessed a 'fluid genome' that enabled Sage to use her as a conduit through which to channel the mutant powers of the X-Treme X-Men team in a fight against Bogan.
[edit] Mutant powers return
Rogue’s mutant abilities eventually returned during Chuck Austen’s brief run on the “X-Men” title in 2004, but without any explanation as to how, why, or when they returned. However, she only regained her absorption ability, and lost her powers imprinted from Ms. Marvel as well as the ability to recall powers she’s absorbed in the past, although the genetic potential for her to do so is likely still there. After her recent experience with the Hecatomb, Rogue’s absorption power has become lethal to anyone she touches.
[edit] Sunfire powers
In Rogue’s mini-series (2004-2005), Rogue absorbed a large portion of the mutant Sunfire’s solar-absorption based powers. In addition to her own natural mutant abilities Rogue can now:
Project intense heat and flame.
Envelop her body in a fiery aura.
Fly by focusing her power downwards in a tight stream to propel her like a rocket.
Focus her power inward to increase her strength (though not at her Ms. Marvel levels).
Exercise immunity to heat and radiation.
See the infra-red spectrum.
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 27 Oct 2007 09:08 am |
M.White Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Wonder Woman vs Rogue?
She’s much more stronger than Rogue and not to mention a hell of a lot faster.
Superspeed: It is unknown how long she can maintain a speedsterÕs average pace (which we clock at approximately 125 mph (2.08 miles/second) to 200 mph (3.3 mile/sec) innercity and 225 mph (3.75 miles/sec) to 500 mph (8.3 miles/sec) over land outside of cities).
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Rogue could move at speed of sound... Not just manga I also read X-Men from Marvel better than DC... She could follow and trap black bird which have sound speed... You should not remember that Rouge could absorb her opponents abilities... almost everything... mind, power, speed and even memory... If she touch her opponent in long time period her opponents will have lost their life... if not he/she will lost their conciousses... One thing for sure even Badman could touch Wondie in bare hand combat so there is a chance for Rogue to touch her and absorb all her power and everything...
Back to gas... if the battle in the city spidey just need to find gun shop and find some gas sleep or anything to make her sleep... if you talking about punching and kicking between them n not let anyone of them using his/her mind or in arena then spidey would be out... if in the city we talking about that is my answer for you... Gun shop...
I still find it odd on how Spiderman really can use gas to make Wonder Woman “sleep”.Obvoiusly she won’t stand there and cough till she sleeps,
she’ll fly away and we are talking about a goddess that can travel at the speed of light.In any you look at it Spiderman can beat her and to make matters worse,she doesn’t have a weakness like Superman.The only part where Spiderman would
beat her as if and when he is Cosmic Spiderman.
| | | 27 Oct 2007 09:21 am |
M.White Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Out of Topic... Sorry... Rogue power and abilites.
Do you think Rogue cant defeat wonder woman...
Wonder Woman vs Rogue?
She’s much more stronger than Rogue and not to mention a hell of a lot faster.
— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — -
Powers and abilities
Due to the nature of her unique mutant powers Rogue has had several different abilities over the years:
[edit] Mutant powers
Rogue’s mutant ability allows her to absorb the essence of anyone she touches through skin to skin contact. This includes their personality, memories, and often their physical characteristics. In the case of super-powered individuals, she also absorbs any extra abilities they might possess. This absorption usually leaves its victim weakened, and sometimes unconscious. Their powers may also be temporarily weakened or removed.
This transfer is usually temporary, lasting for a period of time relative to how long contact is maintained, but if Rogue holds on to her victim for too long, the transfer may become permanent, leaving the victim dead. Most often this process happens instantly when Rogue touches someone, but in certain instances where a being has possessed an extraordinary level of power they are able to resist her, and she may only share part of their memories and power.
As Rogue is absorbing the total psyche of a person, there is a risk of a personality overwhelming her and taking control of her body. It has also been shown that even though Rogue forgets the memories she has absorbed when a psyche returns to its body, 'echoes' of their personalities remain buried in her mind.
Rogue is able to absorb psyches and abilities of several beings at once, though the experience can be confusing and disorienting for her.
[edit] Ms. Marvel powers
As a young woman Rogue permanently absorbed the many powers and psyche of Ms. Marvel (Carol Danvers):
Superhuman strength, capable of lifting up to 80 tons.
Superhuman durability to most forms of physical harm, though she could still be injured in extreme cases.
Flight (her speeds were often inconsistently presented).
Precognitive seventh sense (this ability was also inconsistently utilized).
Resistance to telepathy (said to have been a byproduct of two minds existing in the one body and/or Carol Danvers' Kree physiology).
When Rogue later lost all of her superhuman abilities for a time, her Ms. Marvel abilities vanished and did not return.
[edit] 'X-Treme' powers
During the Maximum Security miniseries, Rogue absorbed an injured Skrull girl named Z’Cann. The girl held on longer than necessary, using her telepathy to boost the process and because of this (perhaps because she had absorbed a fluid Skrull physiology) Rogue mutated further, gaining the ability to 'recall' the powers of anyone she had ever absorbed before, though she could not control when or which of these powers surfaced. For a short time Rogue also had a Skrull appearance, scanned as though she had Skrull DNA and had their shape-shifting powers, but these soon faded and she returned to her normal appearance.
Through meditation Rogue learned how to suppress the random manifestations of most of these abilities, but found herself with Wolverine’s claws and healing factor, and Cyclops' optic blasts for a time (she had to wear Ruby Quartz glasses), while also still retaining her mutant and Ms. Marvel powers.
Later Sage used her own mutant abilities to 'jump start' Rogue’s power, giving her the control to manifest any ability she had ever absorbed, whenever she wished to. It is generally accepted that after regaining her powers after X-Treme X-Men, she has lost this ability.
Though Z’Cann was a telepath, Rogue never displayed this power (she did manifest telepathy, but it was with the Phoenix energy form, so it was most likely an echo of Jean Grey’s powers).
[edit] Powerless
For a time Rogue lost all of her powers, including her original mutant ones. During this period she displayed exceptional fighting skills and agility, though it was said these were not superhuman in nature.
She also still possessed a 'fluid genome' that enabled Sage to use her as a conduit through which to channel the mutant powers of the X-Treme X-Men team in a fight against Bogan.
[edit] Mutant powers return
Rogue’s mutant abilities eventually returned during Chuck Austen’s brief run on the “X-Men” title in 2004, but without any explanation as to how, why, or when they returned. However, she only regained her absorption ability, and lost her powers imprinted from Ms. Marvel as well as the ability to recall powers she’s absorbed in the past, although the genetic potential for her to do so is likely still there. After her recent experience with the Hecatomb, Rogue’s absorption power has become lethal to anyone she touches.
[edit] Sunfire powers
In Rogue’s mini-series (2004-2005), Rogue absorbed a large portion of the mutant Sunfire’s solar-absorption based powers. In addition to her own natural mutant abilities Rogue can now:
Project intense heat and flame.
Envelop her body in a fiery aura.
Fly by focusing her power downwards in a tight stream to propel her like a rocket.
Focus her power inward to increase her strength (though not at her Ms. Marvel levels).
Exercise immunity to heat and radiation.
See the infra-red spectrum.
Ok lets say Wonder Woman is standing on one corner and Rogue is standing in another corner.
Already Wonder Woman has her strength and speed that is greater than Rogue’s,remember Rogue has to touch Wonder Woman to gain her powers.Rogue can fly but she doesn’t have super speed and Wonder Woman does.Spiderman can lift up to 25 tons now,Rogue can lift 80 tons now and Wonder Woman is almost strong as Superman who can lift over 100 tons.Now this shows you that already Wonder Woman’s strength is greater than Rogue’s including her speed,she can lift things like almost to Superman.
Now if they fought,Wonder Woman already has super
speed over Rogue so Rogue can’t touch her,she’ll be warn out and if Wonder Woman punches an already warn out Rogue then she’s down for the count.
If Rogue is entangled in Wonder Woman’s lasso before she can strike then she is in deep trouble
since no one can break the lasso (Wonder Woman’s whip) gripp.
If Rogue is lucky enough to touch Wonder Woman then Wonder Woman is going down which means Rogue
will win.
So what do we have here.A goddess from the Amazon
versus a mutant from the X-Men.Just by saying this any reader get’s shivers from his/her spine.
| | | 29 Oct 2007 04:10 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 41Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,150 OFFLINE | Using tools... Is it alright??? At that point yes... but how she take rogue out??? she must close to her opponent or maybe the lasso will grab her tigher than before... maybe rogue will torn apart... wondie win...
now without tools...
WW must launch punches to her to take her down... Take a look at Juggernaut vs Colossus
Juggernaut = 110tons
Colossus = 70/80 tons
They launch punches each other even in the end Juggernaut won the fight... at that state WW will less advantage... once Rogue touch her, she will decrease her powers, speed and almost everything...
As far as I know... Even she has speed of light... even Badman can touch her which mean Rogue can do that too...
Back to topic... Spidey will just slinging away find a way to defeat her... avoiding body contact... You must remember that spidey is smart almost like Shikamaru in naruto... he just dont use direct sleep gas to her but using a trap or traps... WW will be over confident since she is a way powerfull than spidey... if WW over confident that will be an out of luck for her... patience will her advantage too... not attacking him brutally...
Even so there will be a chance for spidey win againts that woman...  ... or in the arena spidey will be out... but in the city the chance always open for him...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster — | | | 29 Oct 2007 07:47 am |
M.White Guest | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Using tools... Is it alright??? At that point yes... but how she take rogue out??? she must close to her opponent or maybe the lasso will grab her tigher than before... maybe rogue will torn apart... wondie win...
now without tools...
WW must launch punches to her to take her down... Take a look at Juggernaut vs Colossus
Juggernaut = 110tons
Colossus = 70/80 tons
They launch punches each other even in the end Juggernaut won the fight... at that state WW will less advantage... once Rogue touch her, she will decrease her powers, speed and almost everything...
As far as I know... Even she has speed of light... even Badman can touch her which mean Rogue can do that too...
Back to topic... Spidey will just slinging away find a way to defeat her... avoiding body contact... You must remember that spidey is smart almost like Shikamaru in naruto... he just dont use direct sleep gas to her but using a trap or traps... WW will be over confident since she is a way powerfull than spidey... if WW over confident that will be an out of luck for her... patience will her advantage too... not attacking him brutally...
Even so there will be a chance for spidey win againts that woman... ... or in the arena spidey will be out... but in the city the chance always open for him...
I seriously don’t know how Spiderman could defeat
Wonder Woman even if they fought in the city.We are talking about Spiderman facing a female god almost strong and fast as Superman.Theres no way Spiderman could beat her,there is just no ways!!!
Even in that comic where they teamed up,Wonder Woman (like Superman in Superman vs the Amazing Spider-Man) was toying around with Spiderman. She
knew every move of Spiderman before he could even
punch her.She grabbed Spiderman from behind before Spiderman’s spider sense even tangled and this all happened in Wonder Woman versus Spiderman #? (Tracy knows).Now moving back to Rogue,I already said that Wonder Woman is stronger and faster than Rogue.Now that gives Wonder Woman 2 advantages over Rogue,if Wonder Woman manages to tie Rogue with her lasso then Rogue’s in real trouble since the lasso whip is unbreakable.
Now like I said before,the only way Rogue could defeat Wonder Woman is she manages to touch her and absorb her powers.If Rogue can do that then I
agree with you,Rogue will defeat Wonder Woman.But
then I’m trying to think on how Rogue will grab Wonder Woman since the Amazon princess travels in
the speed of sound.
| | | 29 Oct 2007 09:04 am |
Ryo Ketchum Guest | You guys shoud make a debate topic involving Rogue and Wonder Woman.
| | | 29 Oct 2007 09:28 am |
Regular Rep: 2 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 862 OFFLINE | That too, but in this topic, i vote for WW. Sry Spidey, but she would win in just an all out brawl.
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