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22 Sep 2007 10:39 am
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do people become religious seeking an answer to their problems solve their problems

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22 Sep 2007 10:52 am
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Umm... are you asking if religious people are weak for looking for answers in religion?

I say no. But that’s just me.

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22 Sep 2007 11:01 am
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No. Religion is a way to explain the world - to explain life, death, our existence, and so on. We all have ways to explain these things to ourselves, whether religious or not.

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22 Sep 2007 01:37 pm
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I don’t think religion is good for explaining anything. I find religion’s explanations ridiculous, can’t be backed up by evidence, and unsatisfactory. Religion teaches you to be satisfied with not understanding the world.

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Etain wrote: No. Religion is a way to explain the world - to explain life, death, our existence, and so on. We all have ways to explain these things to ourselves, whether religious or not.



that’s science
and yes ppl are weak
they think that kissing the pope’s ring will heal their cancer of stuff like that

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Also those evangelists guys that lay their hands on people to heal cancer and other deadly afflictions rather then going to see an expert.

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Dupontx123 wrote: Also those evangelists guys that lay their hands on people to heal cancer and other deadly afflictions rather then going to see an expert.



yes, like the maximun cure will fall from a lunatics hands

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22 Sep 2007 07:59 pm
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Man I had a good quote as my answer to this. Maybe I can find it haha.

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22 Sep 2007 08:57 pm
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Religious people are not weak, they just think differently. You could use the same argument to say that nonreligious people are weak because they dismiss all beliefs as poppycock.

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zeta_evolved wrote:
Etain wrote: No. Religion is a way to explain the world - to explain life, death, our existence, and so on. We all have ways to explain these things to ourselves, whether religious or not.



that’s science
and yes ppl are weak
they think that kissing the pope’s ring will heal their cancer of stuff like that


Religion, science, philosophy...they’re all systems we use to explain things. And they are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

I’m not responding to a point about “are people weak” because that isn’t even the focus of this thread. The focus of this thread is whether people who have any sort of spirituality or religious beliefs are “weak”.

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Well can’t remember the quote but I guess I’ll try to cite it loosely.

Or maybe not. I guess some would see it as offensive but really it’s just stating my and someone else’s mind. But no one would see it that way. Just see it as discrimination.

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23 Sep 2007 03:09 am
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All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.

First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.

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ramunematt wrote: I don’t think religion is good for explaining anything. I find religion’s explanations ridiculous, can’t be backed up by evidence, and unsatisfactory. Religion teaches you to be satisfied with not understanding the world.


The first bit of your post is your opinion, and you are entitled to that whether I agree with you or not.

The second bit about “religion teaches you to be satisfied with not understanding the world” is an over-generalization. In order to back up such a claim you would have to thoroughly examine every single religion out there and come up with ways that they do what you say. You’d also have to make sure you incorporated every single branch of every religion...

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Debate wrote: All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.

First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.


Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.

The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.

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Zucas wrote:
Debate wrote: All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.

First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.


Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.

The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.

ya, thats it. it has nothing to do with figuring out what is more then just surface level. its all a conspiracy. set up by the jews! those greedy bastards are manipulating all those ignorant religious people.

seriously, get real zucas.

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Debate wrote: All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.

First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.


Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.

The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.

ya, thats it. it has nothing to do with figuring out what is more then just surface level. its all a conspiracy. set up by the jews! those greedy bastards are manipulating all those ignorant religious people.

seriously, get real zucas.


I speak soley of organized religion not theologies.

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Zucas wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Debate wrote: All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.

First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.


Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.

The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.

ya, thats it. it has nothing to do with figuring out what is more then just surface level. its all a conspiracy. set up by the jews! those greedy bastards are manipulating all those ignorant religious people.

seriously, get real zucas.


I speak soley of organized religion not theologies.

heh, ya, i’m sure the pope doesn’t even believe what he’s saying. :/

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Zucas wrote:
Debate wrote: All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.

First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.


Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.

The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.



so you bace your view of religion on the few (and I mean few as in 3 to 4 out of millions) bad ones? And you call these guys narrow minded?

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A few? Millions of people have been killed because they didn’t share other people’s religious beliefs.

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zeta_evolved wrote:
Etain wrote: No. Religion is a way to explain the world - to explain life, death, our existence, and so on. We all have ways to explain these things to ourselves, whether religious or not.



that’s science
and yes ppl are weak
they think that kissing the pope’s ring will heal their cancer of stuff like that

thats because his ring shoots radiation!

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