ramunematt wrote:
A few? Millions of people have been killed because they didn’t share other people’s religious beliefs.
And you’re about to blame those who didn’t kill as people who are wrong in believing in a religion? Everything has flaws. People who don’t believe in religion and claim it’s complete nonsense are ignorant themselves because they don’t completely understand it. Zucas’s statement is totally stupid.
so if I don’t understand magic and non sense stories about a man who called him self son of a non existing god who btw has abandoned his “ppl”
I’m stupid?
ramunematt wrote:
A few? Millions of people have been killed because they didn’t share other people’s religious beliefs.
And you’re about to blame those who didn’t kill as people who are wrong in believing in a religion? Everything has flaws. People who don’t believe in religion and claim it’s complete nonsense are ignorant themselves because they don’t completely understand it. Zucas’s statement is totally stupid.
I said organized religion not theology. You can believ ein the Christian, Islamic, Judeo, ect way of life and what not without being apart of the corruption of their organizations.
Hell the founding of the present day Catholicism was based off such corrutpions. Most things in Catholocism are pagean that was added in by Constantine of the Roman Empire to make the religion more appealing to others. He did this knowing that many weren’t willing to join simply off of preaching it. And he knew it was similar to many other religions out there at the time anyway.
Why would a Roman Emperor go through such lengths and trouble to completely transform a religious belief. He’s not doing it cause he wants many other people to share his same beliefs. He was doing it for a certain political power in the future that could be gained. The entire organized religion for anything in Chritstianity is based off “pagan” and blasphemous traditions, ideas and ways. And for what? Political gain. And yet to this day people still follow what Constantine setup to control people. So don’t throw your bullshit at me.
I have nothing against believing in any theologies that you undertake. You want to believe in the Christian, Islamic, or Judeo, ect faith is fine with me. But I do have a problem with the organizations that have corrupted them over the years to have secular and political supremacy using people’s ignorance and need for protection as a way to control them.
Otherwise my statement is perfectly acceptable if not the cold hard truth you don’t want to even begin to understand. Another thing I said is the organized religions want you to devoid reason so you don’t question it. Just like your doing right now. People accept with out reason and the leaders control without treason.
--- It’s not about money. It’s about sending a message. Everything burns.
I’m getting the impression that the term “religion” is very poorly defined in this thread. From the kinds of arguments that have been made, I’m assuming this is an extremely narrow definition that is being used.
There are far too many religions and sub-sets of religions in the world to make sweeping statements.
ramunematt wrote:
A few? Millions of people have been killed because they didn’t share other people’s religious beliefs.
And you’re about to blame those who didn’t kill as people who are wrong in believing in a religion? Everything has flaws. People who don’t believe in religion and claim it’s complete nonsense are ignorant themselves because they don’t completely understand it. Zucas’s statement is totally stupid.
I said organized religion not theology. You can believ ein the Christian, Islamic, Judeo, ect way of life and what not without being apart of the corruption of their organizations.
Hell the founding of the present day Catholicism was based off such corrutpions. Most things in Catholocism are pagean that was added in by Constantine of the Roman Empire to make the religion more appealing to others. He did this knowing that many weren’t willing to join simply off of preaching it. And he knew it was similar to many other religions out there at the time anyway.
Why would a Roman Emperor go through such lengths and trouble to completely transform a religious belief. He’s not doing it cause he wants many other people to share his same beliefs. He was doing it for a certain political power in the future that could be gained. The entire organized religion for anything in Chritstianity is based off “pagan” and blasphemous traditions, ideas and ways. And for what? Political gain. And yet to this day people still follow what Constantine setup to control people. So don’t throw your bullshit at me.
I have nothing against believing in any theologies that you undertake. You want to believe in the Christian, Islamic, or Judeo, ect faith is fine with me. But I do have a problem with the organizations that have corrupted them over the years to have secular and political supremacy using people’s ignorance and need for protection as a way to control them.
Otherwise my statement is perfectly acceptable if not the cold hard truth you don’t want to even begin to understand. Another thing I said is the organized religions want you to devoid reason so you don’t question it. Just like your doing right now. People accept with out reason and the leaders control without treason.
no its not acceptable dickwad. where the fuck did you get your constantine shit? the da vinci code? learn something about catholicism before you go off ranting dumbshit. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism, shithead. dont ever fuckin insult my religion again.
youre fucking stupid zucas. you definitely got all that shit from reading the da vinci code. i read the same exact shit. fyi bitch, the da vinci code was proven piece of fuckin fiction.
Debate wrote:
All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.
First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.
Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.
The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.
ya, thats it. it has nothing to do with figuring out what is more then just surface level. its all a conspiracy. set up by the jews! those greedy bastards are manipulating all those ignorant religious people.
seriously, get real zucas.
I speak soley of organized religion not theologies.
heh, ya, i’m sure the pope doesn’t even believe what he’s saying. :/
Well actually Mother Teresa, well, just look at this
She asked just one too many questions about her own faith.
ramunematt wrote:
A few? Millions of people have been killed because they didn’t share other people’s religious beliefs.
And you’re about to blame those who didn’t kill as people who are wrong in believing in a religion? Everything has flaws. People who don’t believe in religion and claim it’s complete nonsense are ignorant themselves because they don’t completely understand it. Zucas’s statement is totally stupid.
Understand it? You think people who don’t believe in other people’s religions are ignorant because they don’t understand it? That is ignorance at it’s best. Tell me, what religion are you? I assume your a Christian. Tell me, do you understand Judaism? What about Islam? Or Hinduism? Even Scientology? Do you understand all of those? You clearly don’t have a good understanding of understanding itself.
Debate wrote:
All your arguments against religion are ridiculous.
First off, atheists are not experts in religion. They may know of it, but if they don’t practice it, they’re in no position to judge whether or not religion is for weak people. Religion is all based on personal beliefs. Everyone has his or her own beliefs. Religion is a form of belief that appeals to a certain group of people.
Secondly, one cannot argue that religion is wrong in its own nature just because it has no evidence to support its findings. If the argument was vice-versa, no one has been able to disprove that those findings are not true. Science does not explain everything.
Third, you cannot say that religion allows us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. Religion does not aim to do that at all. Its main purpose is to dictate how we live or help us realize who we are as individuals. It does not attempt to explain the unexplainable. That is not its main function.
Finally, Zeta’s statement is particularly disturbing. You can’t say that people think kissing the pope’s ring will cure cancer. That is your view as an atheist. It is also extremely ignorant in every way. You are not knowledgeable in the field of Catholicism.
Religion’s main point is to make all humanity devoid of reason and thought so that corruption and control over them is easier. Only way such events like the Crusades and Islamic expansion could have ever got so many people to do such things. Unite them under one ignorance and control them forever.
The ability to be able to tell people what to do without any question of reasoning, morality, or questioning is the most powerful tool in the world.
ya, thats it. it has nothing to do with figuring out what is more then just surface level. its all a conspiracy. set up by the jews! those greedy bastards are manipulating all those ignorant religious people.
seriously, get real zucas.
I speak soley of organized religion not theologies.
heh, ya, i’m sure the pope doesn’t even believe what he’s saying. :/
Well actually Mother Teresa, well, just look at this
She asked just one too many questions about her own faith.
dude, you have no idea what it is like to be religious, do you? no one in the right mind pretends that they don’t have any doubts. hell, i do all the time. people seem to look at christianity and think that its just simply the longer you are a christian, the closer with God you get. thats not the case, at all. it is like any relationship ever in that it has its ups and downs. that shit, it means nothing.
no its not acceptable dickwad. where the fuck did you get your constantine shit? the da vinci code? learn something about catholicism before you go off ranting dumbshit. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism, shithead. dont ever fuckin insult my religion again.
Lol wow. I may not agree with how Zucas phrased his post, but it seems you know very little about Christian/Catholic history.
no its not acceptable dickwad. where the fuck did you get your constantine shit? the da vinci code? learn something about catholicism before you go off ranting dumbshit. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism, shithead. dont ever fuckin insult my religion again.
Lol wow. I may not agree with how Zucas phrased his post, but it seems you know very little about Christian/Catholic history.
Here’s some reading for you:
[url=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04295c.htm]Constantine-Catholic Encyclopedia[/url] (You can just refer to the section “Historical Appreciation” )
You can even get similar information from Wikipedia...
First off, he’s right. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism. He only influenced what was within his reach at the time. He mainly dominated the Roman Empire and in fact, did use Catholicism as a political force. The global influence of Catholicism has been due to missionaries. The main reason for the spread of Catholicism can be attributed to groups such as the Jesuits, the Dominicans, and many others. Constantine was known for making Catholicism the center of Rome, not for globally spreading Catholicism. To say that Constantine is responsible for the widespread influence of Catholicism nowadays is an extremely fallible statement.
Second off, Wikipedia is the least reliable resource on the internet. Research found that Wikipedia is actually founded by a pro-white supremacist. In addition, anyone can alter information on Wikipedia.
So he was indeed correct in his judgment was not responsible for Catholic global influence. Note that many Spanish and Portuguese were accountable for the spread of Catholicism. Several of these individuals who found these missionary groups were normal common people.
Catholicism is not a violent religion. There are definitely flaws in the practice of Catholicism in past history. Such examples include the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. However, Catholicism itself acknowledges that its own followers are sinful. Therefore, it would be unwise to say that Catholicism itself is responsible for the violence that occurred. It is better to blame the individuals such as Pope Urban, who was responsible for the Crusades.
zeta_evolved wrote:
it is
cuz ppl stop reliying on their skills and abilities and star to relie on the mercy of their imagination
Religion is a belief. Note that many of the greatest people were affiliated with religious groups. So next time, stop making weak statements that are not supported by conclusive evidence. Religion is not an imagination. Are you saying that a person such as Jesus or Muhammad never existed? Because many textbooks acknowledge the existence of the people.
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