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24 Sep 2007 05:30 pm
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Britannica wrote:
Etain wrote:
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no its not acceptable dickwad. where the fuck did you get your constantine shit? the da vinci code? learn something about catholicism before you go off ranting dumbshit. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism, shithead. dont ever fuckin insult my religion again.


Lol wow. I may not agree with how Zucas phrased his post, but it seems you know very little about Christian/Catholic history.

Here’s some reading for you:

Constantine-Catholic Encyclopedia (You can just refer to the section “Historical Appreciation” )

History-Roman Empire

You can even get similar information from Wikipedia...


First off, he’s right. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism. He only influenced what was within his reach at the time. He mainly dominated the Roman Empire and in fact, did use Catholicism as a political force. The global influence of Catholicism has been due to missionaries. The main reason for the spread of Catholicism can be attributed to groups such as the Jesuits, the Dominicans, and many others. Constantine was known for making Catholicism the center of Rome, not for globally spreading Catholicism. To say that Constantine is responsible for the widespread influence of Catholicism nowadays is an extremely fallible statement.
Second off, Wikipedia is the least reliable resource on the internet. Research found that Wikipedia is actually founded by a pro-white supremacist. In addition, anyone can alter information on Wikipedia.

So he was indeed correct in his judgment was not responsible for Catholic global influence. Note that many Spanish and Portuguese were accountable for the spread of Catholicism. Several of these individuals who found these missionary groups were normal common people.

Catholicism is not a violent religion. There are definitely flaws in the practice of Catholicism in past history. Such examples include the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. However, Catholicism itself acknowledges that its own followers are sinful. Therefore, it would be unwise to say that Catholicism itself is responsible for the violence that occurred. It is better to blame the individuals such as Pope Urban, who was responsible for the Crusades.


Yes you are correct in stating that the further spread of Christianity to other areas of the world was due to the work of missionaries. However, before Constantine, Christianity was a more minor, threatened religion. He was the one who made it an official religion of the Roman Empire.

The missionaries you speak of spread Christianity later on in history. Their influence came from the version of Christianity founded in the Roman Empire (e.g. Roman Catholicism). For example, the Christianization of the British Isles came about through Roman conquests. True, the result was something different than Roman Catholicism (Celtic Christianity as it is called), but the originating influence was Roman in origin.

There were, indeed, missionaries who spread Christianity to some of the regions nearer to the middle East *possibly* before the time of Constantine, but since Catholicism was the only thing referenced by the previous poster, I assumed we were talking about a more Western form of Christianity. Other forms of Christianity (such as Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc.) do not define themselves as “Catholic”.

There were additional influences of Constantine, such as the first council of Nicaea, from which we get the Nicene Creed, but this is getting a little long-winded.

As to your final point, I notice you completely ignored the 2 other sources I provided, but focussed solely on the one I mentioned in passing. I indicated that information could also be found on Wikipedia because that is a source with which many of the people on here are comfortable. I could reference scholarly articles for you, but you would need an ID from my university in order to view them.

Finally, I never made any intimation that I view Catholicism as a violent “religion” (actually the religion is “Christianity”, Catholicism is a branch of Christianity), so I’m not quite sure why that was referenced in response to my post.

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[Quote] #42
24 Sep 2007 05:47 pm
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Etain wrote:
Britannica wrote:
Etain wrote:
A CATHOLIC PERSON WHO DOESNT CURSE wrote:

no its not acceptable dickwad. where the fuck did you get your constantine shit? the da vinci code? learn something about catholicism before you go off ranting dumbshit. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism, shithead. dont ever fuckin insult my religion again.


Lol wow. I may not agree with how Zucas phrased his post, but it seems you know very little about Christian/Catholic history.

Here’s some reading for you:

[url=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04295c.htm]Constantine-Catholic Encyclopedia[/url] (You can just refer to the section “Historical Appreciation” )

[url=http://www.unrv.com/culture/christianity.php]History-Roman Empire[/url]

You can even get similar information from Wikipedia...


First off, he’s right. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism. He only influenced what was within his reach at the time. He mainly dominated the Roman Empire and in fact, did use Catholicism as a political force. The global influence of Catholicism has been due to missionaries. The main reason for the spread of Catholicism can be attributed to groups such as the Jesuits, the Dominicans, and many others. Constantine was known for making Catholicism the center of Rome, not for globally spreading Catholicism. To say that Constantine is responsible for the widespread influence of Catholicism nowadays is an extremely fallible statement.
Second off, Wikipedia is the least reliable resource on the internet. Research found that Wikipedia is actually founded by a pro-white supremacist. In addition, anyone can alter information on Wikipedia.

So he was indeed correct in his judgment was not responsible for Catholic global influence. Note that many Spanish and Portuguese were accountable for the spread of Catholicism. Several of these individuals who found these missionary groups were normal common people.

Catholicism is not a violent religion. There are definitely flaws in the practice of Catholicism in past history. Such examples include the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. However, Catholicism itself acknowledges that its own followers are sinful. Therefore, it would be unwise to say that Catholicism itself is responsible for the violence that occurred. It is better to blame the individuals such as Pope Urban, who was responsible for the Crusades.


Yes you are correct in stating that the further spread of Christianity to other areas of the world was due to the work of missionaries. However, before Constantine, Christianity was a more minor, threatened religion. He was the one who made it an official religion of the Roman Empire.

The missionaries you speak of spread Christianity later on in history. Their influence came from the version of Christianity founded in the Roman Empire (e.g. Roman Catholicism). For example, the Christianization of the British Isles came about through Roman conquests. True, the result was something different than Roman Catholicism (Celtic Christianity or Celtic Catholicism as it is called), but the originating influence was Roman in origin.

There were, indeed, missionaries who spread Christianity to some of the regions nearer to the middle East *possibly* before the time of Constantine, but since Catholicism was the only thing referenced by the previous poster, I assumed we were talking about a more Western form of Christianity. Other forms of Christianity (such as Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc.) do not define themselves as “Catholic”.

There were additional influences of Constantine, such as the first council of Nicaea, from which we get the Nicene Creed, but this is getting a little long-winded.

As to your final point, I notice you completely ignored the 2 other sources I provided, but focussed solely on the one I mentioned in passing. I indicated that information could also be found on Wikipedia because that is a source with which many of the people on here are comfortable dealing. I could reference scholarly articles for you, but you would need an ID from my university in order to view them.

Finally, I never made any intimation that I view Catholicism as a violent “religion” (actually the religion is “Christianity”, Catholicism is a branch of Christianity), so I’m not quite sure why that was referenced in response to my post.


The last line was not a reference to you; rather, it was a reference to other people who claimed that Catholicism is a violent religion.

Christianity was not entirely a minor religion. It was not the supposed dominant religion of the time. You need to remember the dominance of a religion was normally decreed by the emperor who served during that timespan. Christianity was already spreading its influence. In the Bible, there were definitely many missionaries mentioned who spread the influence of Jesus. Note Peter and Paul as examples. Peter was also the Pope at some point before he was crucified upside down. His era marked the rise of Catholicism.

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24 Sep 2007 05:57 pm
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Britannica wrote:
Etain wrote:
Britannica wrote:
Etain wrote:
A CATHOLIC PERSON WHO DOESNT CURSE wrote:

no its not acceptable dickwad. where the fuck did you get your constantine shit? the da vinci code? learn something about catholicism before you go off ranting dumbshit. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism, shithead. dont ever fuckin insult my religion again.


Lol wow. I may not agree with how Zucas phrased his post, but it seems you know very little about Christian/Catholic history.

Here’s some reading for you:

Constantine-Catholic Encyclopedia (You can just refer to the section “Historical Appreciation” )

History-Roman Empire

You can even get similar information from Wikipedia...


First off, he’s right. Constantine had nothing to do with the global influence of Catholicism. He only influenced what was within his reach at the time. He mainly dominated the Roman Empire and in fact, did use Catholicism as a political force. The global influence of Catholicism has been due to missionaries. The main reason for the spread of Catholicism can be attributed to groups such as the Jesuits, the Dominicans, and many others. Constantine was known for making Catholicism the center of Rome, not for globally spreading Catholicism. To say that Constantine is responsible for the widespread influence of Catholicism nowadays is an extremely fallible statement.
Second off, Wikipedia is the least reliable resource on the internet. Research found that Wikipedia is actually founded by a pro-white supremacist. In addition, anyone can alter information on Wikipedia.

So he was indeed correct in his judgment was not responsible for Catholic global influence. Note that many Spanish and Portuguese were accountable for the spread of Catholicism. Several of these individuals who found these missionary groups were normal common people.

Catholicism is not a violent religion. There are definitely flaws in the practice of Catholicism in past history. Such examples include the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. However, Catholicism itself acknowledges that its own followers are sinful. Therefore, it would be unwise to say that Catholicism itself is responsible for the violence that occurred. It is better to blame the individuals such as Pope Urban, who was responsible for the Crusades.


Yes you are correct in stating that the further spread of Christianity to other areas of the world was due to the work of missionaries. However, before Constantine, Christianity was a more minor, threatened religion. He was the one who made it an official religion of the Roman Empire.

The missionaries you speak of spread Christianity later on in history. Their influence came from the version of Christianity founded in the Roman Empire (e.g. Roman Catholicism). For example, the Christianization of the British Isles came about through Roman conquests. True, the result was something different than Roman Catholicism (Celtic Christianity or Celtic Catholicism as it is called), but the originating influence was Roman in origin.

There were, indeed, missionaries who spread Christianity to some of the regions nearer to the middle East *possibly* before the time of Constantine, but since Catholicism was the only thing referenced by the previous poster, I assumed we were talking about a more Western form of Christianity. Other forms of Christianity (such as Eastern Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc.) do not define themselves as “Catholic”.

There were additional influences of Constantine, such as the first council of Nicaea, from which we get the Nicene Creed, but this is getting a little long-winded.

As to your final point, I notice you completely ignored the 2 other sources I provided, but focussed solely on the one I mentioned in passing. I indicated that information could also be found on Wikipedia because that is a source with which many of the people on here are comfortable dealing. I could reference scholarly articles for you, but you would need an ID from my university in order to view them.

Finally, I never made any intimation that I view Catholicism as a violent “religion” (actually the religion is “Christianity”, Catholicism is a branch of Christianity), so I’m not quite sure why that was referenced in response to my post.


The last line was not a reference to you; rather, it was a reference to other people who claimed that Catholicism is a violent religion.

Christianity was not entirely a minor religion. It was not the supposed dominant religion of the time. You need to remember the dominance of a religion was normally decreed by the emperor who served during that timespan. Christianity was already spreading its influence. In the Bible, there were definitely many missionaries mentioned who spread the influence of Jesus. Note Peter and Paul as examples. Peter was also the Pope at some point before he was crucified upside down. His era marked the rise of Catholicism.


I had already noted all of that in my previous post. Also, Peter was not a “pope” - that type of distinction didn’t exist before Roman Catholicism. I think you’re confusing that with the belief that the Pope is a descendant of Peter (spiritually, not geneologically).

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[Quote] #44
24 Sep 2007 07:14 pm
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Check again. I am very correct in my statement. I did not say that the Pope is a genealogical descendant of Peter. Peter was the first Pope. This fact is taught in religious classes. Have you taken a religion course anytime? Are you Catholic? I am just wondering.

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ramunematt wrote: A few? Millions of people have been killed because they didn’t share other people’s religious beliefs.



yeah millions, but whitch religions perpratrated it? Wiccans dident, buddists dident... theres only 3 I can think of that realy cause the problums, I think you know were I’m getting at here.

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cuz ppl stop reliying on their skills and abilities and star to relie on the mercy of their imagination


Religion is a belief. Note that many of the greatest people were affiliated with religious groups. So next time, stop making weak statements that are not supported by conclusive evidence. Religion is not an imagination. Are you saying that a person such as Jesus or Muhammad never existed? Because many textbooks acknowledge the existence of the people.



Yes non of those ppl existed
and if they did they weren’t the son or prophet of god
cus I don’t believe in god

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24 Sep 2007 08:17 pm
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When did I ever say that Catholocism was a violet religion. What about theology are you not understanding. I’ve been stating I have nothing against any theologies out there. You believe in the Christian faith then fine with me. I could really care less.

But I do have problems with organized religion especially the one that is the Catholic church. In a way the Catholic church has been very violent. I mean how can you say such acts as the Inquisition and Crusades are not violent. ONly way you can say those aren’t violent is by denying them ever to have happened. Doing that will surely only perceive your ignorance farther.

Point being Christianity was a very minority religion until the Roman Empire under Constantine transformed it into their national religion. He changed many things in the religion to pagan things thus more people would openly and readily accept it.

But your gonna sit here and first of all tell me that didn’t happen. Cause it did and historically recorded. And secondly your going to tell me he was doing this for the benefit of the faith to spread the religion. Bullshit. Why would an emperor spend so much precious time and effort reworking a religion and forcing it upon people when easily he could have killed all that followed it and smashed it in that timeframe.

He obviously did this for political gain and control and its evident throughout history where this totalitarian theocracy did just that.

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oh no

Zucas cares less
shocked

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24 Sep 2007 09:36 pm
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Britannica wrote: Check again. I am very correct in my statement. I did not say that the Pope is a genealogical descendant of Peter. Peter was the first Pope. This fact is taught in religious classes. Have you taken a religion course anytime? Are you Catholic? I am just wondering.


Actually I’ve studied religion for more than 20 years, involving religious school and university-level classes. Although I quite honestly do not believe that it is necessary for anyone to receive formal indoctrination of a religion to be able to study it. We are all thinking beings. In addition one does not have to be “Catholic” in order to be qualified to give insightful commentary on any religion (and I’m including the broad definition of this).

Anyhow, I’m not particularly interested in getting into a theological argument, but that’s my fault for bringing that point up.

So - without getting into a theological debate of any kind, with your religious training I’m sure you realize that only Catholics interpret Matthew 16:17-19 to literally mean “Peter was the first pope”.

Different branches of Christianity have different opinions on some theological matters. So perhaps it would be better to say you “believe” this to be true rather than “you have been taught this fact” as truly neither side has enough historical evidence to prove their point of view.

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etain, youre 27. do you have a job? just wondering. or are you unemployed.

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3min wrote: etain, youre 27. do you have a job? just wondering. or are you unemployed.


I’m not quite sure why all these personal questions, especially in the context of a religious thread?

However, I am a graduate student and I work as a communications person/writer/desktop publisher (designer)/researcher.

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you mean basically you spend your time on this site and argue while not getting paid.

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Etain do you enjoy coke?
Etain do you like sun sets?
Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain Etain do you?


any who, I think religious people are just fine, they just look at thing diffrently, I’m not sure how that makes them bad people as long as they arnt uberorthodox or simply useing they’er belifes to get they’er way.

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weak? or strong?

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Religion started because people didnt have science and had to invent theories for why the world was created and why this does that and that does this. It caught on and people stuck with religion even when it has been blatantly proved wrong.

Oh and that picture POW is funny but could offend.

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i dont see how it might offend. its true, christians did go through that kind of persecution.

on the other hand http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/38304p1.html

thats how u think it started, ps3kick360.

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Actually ps3kick360 is right for the most part. Part of the reason religion was started was because we were curious about how the world worked yet were too lazy to actually come up with some real answers. Of course back then the moral zeitgeist was horrible, so it was also used for social control.

But today we scientifically answer our questions instead of guessing, an the moral zeitgeist has greatly improved since back then. There really isn’t any need for religion in the modern day, that’s why your starting to see atheist movements.

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Religion was created by the few to control the many.

Otherwise there wouldn’t have been so many people agreeing upon one general thing.

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isn’t any need for religion in the modern day, that’s why your starting to see atheist movements.


do you think it should be outlawed?

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Weasel 16 wrote:
isn’t any need for religion in the modern day, that’s why your starting to see atheist movements.


do you think it should be outlawed?


Outlawing religion would only make things worse. And there’s always a need for religion. But having it doesn’t make it correct. Just gives people something to live for.

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