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22 Apr 2008 07:54 pm
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Cloud>Vincent (If Vincent has no Chaos form)
Sora>Riku (Truth.)

Team 1 wins.
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22 Apr 2008 07:57 pm
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Sora clearly wins this fight against Roxas.
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22 Apr 2008 07:58 pm
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Riku and Vincent are soo much kewler!!! they win in my book...
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22 Apr 2008 08:03 pm
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Skull_Kid wrote: Riku and Vincent are soo much kewler!!! they win in my book...

No.
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24 Apr 2008 10:51 am
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1. Chaos speed>Omnislash speed

Douse Cloud diapear completely when useing the move...thought not.

By this logic, CC Sephiroth is faster than Omnislash, which he isn’t. Sephiroth couldn’t evade omnislash, but by your logic Chaos could insta pwn Sephiroth, but SE contradict this, making Omnislash faster.

2. Vincent and Cloud both haveing Materia leave’s them stalemated but if you take into account Vinnie without materia and Cloud without materia and Gun>sword Vinnie still hold’s the advantage.

Cloud doesn’t need materia to take out Vincent. Gun enemies will do jack to Cloud. They aren’t at a stalemate, Cloud is more powerful than Vincent, end of story. Vincent has no advantage, and like his bullets will last forever.

3. Vincent is more intelligent than Cloud it’s a big advantage plus he has been fighting alot longer than Cloud has (even if you count 27 when Vinnie was locked up then the three year’s from VII to DoC 30 Cloud is 21 VII and 24 in DoC so Vinnie still hold’s knollage and Experiance over Cloud by 6yr’s.
More intelligent? How so? The time he has been fighting for means very little, as Cloud surpasses Vincent AND Zack, AND he beats Sephiroth too 3 times, are you saying Vincent > Sephiroth because he’s older?

(many would say Renno has fought alot longerthan Cloud but remember Renno is a dumbass by nature and unargumented like Vincent so naturaly he would lose to Cloud same applie’s for Ruffus and Rude they mabe smarter and could outwit Cloud but they couldent take him in a fight due to lack of ability, Vincent however has the brain’s and the brawn).

What the hell, when has Cloud been shown to be so dumb that Rufus and co would outsmart him? When are they going to have time to even think of a plan to outwit Cloud? Cloud is so dumb he manages to take out Sephiroth.
4. Chaos has Strenth (lifting a 1.5 ton tank turret with ease and useing the strenth to impail the mighty Azul with it) over Cloud and endurance (being impailed by Weisse’s sword’s without so much as a scrach) arguably he left an after image but still Vinnie did survive a large chunk of his chest being torn out and healed with no injury within a few hour’s

Cloud smacked Bahamut like it was a bitch. Cloud gets chested by Sephiroth and STILL pwns him right there and then. Omnislahs would destroy Chaos.
. Since Vinnie know’s Cloud can’t fly he would use it to his advantage blasting him from above if need’s be (cheap but he could win useing that tactic.

Vincent can’t fly, but Chaos can. Sephiroth could fly, and guess what? Cloud kept up with him. Vincent blasting him? With bullets? How is this going to work? You forget Cloud goes through Mega flare.
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26 Apr 2008 07:24 pm
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Red_Calibur9 wrote: Roxas is not stronger than Sora. Sora whipped him. Roxas should’ve known that SOra could summon the keyblade.


Understand in skill (power’s aside) Roxas disarm’s Sora and had him beat, only for the split second he was ofguard did Sora beat him because he used a power Roxas did not perchive him to have.

Riku K.O’s Roxas and could have killed him this show’s Riku has more skill than Roxas and Roxas more skill than Sora with a Keyblade.
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26 Apr 2008 07:29 pm
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LordMarluxia wrote: Cloud>Vincent (If Vincent has no Chaos form)
Sora>Riku (Truth.)

Team 1 wins.


1. Vinnie is in Chaos Form But both could take down Russo even in Vinnie’s Base form so it should be interesting, i belive Gun>Sword and after seeing the remnant Yazzo shoot Cloud and Loz at the end of the movie i concur Vincent is a much better shot as it’s his primary weapon and he has trained with it for 30yr’s (plus his impossible accuracy in DoC would surggest so)

2. In your opinion Sora is better than Riku but fact’s and evidence would surggest otherwise
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26 Apr 2008 07:37 pm
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Red_Calibur9 wrote: Sora clearly wins this fight against Roxas.


In pure skill Roxas had that match but obviously SE had to make something up to let Sora win due to the good guy alway’s win’s so he used a cheap ass ability to summon his sword and catch him of guard.

Riku clearly beat Roxas here in just skill

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26 Apr 2008 08:25 pm
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1. Sephiroth in AC never displayed the same speed he did in CC tho Buster, by this i mean of corse warp speed like he did against Zack, plus if SE say Seph is the strongest fastest and so forth then by all right’s Cloud should not have been able to move faster than Seph could avoid, so this disprove’s your lil theory that Seph pwn’s in every department (he could have used warp speed or hell even go intangible) so you pwn the UO by saying Seph>VIIverse when it’s only in power he is ahead.

So i concurr Cloud may have been to fast for Seph but not at all for Chaos.

2. Yazzo and Loz did do damage to Cloud at the end of AC when they shot him he was clearly injured and we all know Vincent>Rufus>Loz and Yazzo in FFVIIverse so i think Chaos gun will do (deffinately the death penalty, it fire’s energy) it’s also shown Chaos can fight at high Speed’s with a high level swordsman like Omega Weiss

Chaos>Omega Weiss>Cloud

3. Experiance and Intel help in a match hence why Seph own’s Cloud in the old skill department, Vinnie has six year’s on Cloud that’s a big differance when compairing skill with their weapon’s (Cloud only really getting skill from FFVII to DoC) Cloud has three year’s battle experiance Vinnie was a Turk long before Cloud was even born.

In layman’s term’s Vinnie can outsmart Cloud and back it up with brawn (Rufus Rude and Reno fail due to lack in the pysical department).

4. I belive Rufus and Co could outsmart Cloud but they fail horibly in a fight against him...but in I.Q Rufus is smarter Reno is just a retard and Rude is probably alittle smarter.

5. Chaos smacked down Omega like a little bitch,Vinnie has his chest ripped open Cloud get’s stabbed in the shoulder hmmm?, There is no proof Vincent would be pwned by Omnislash as he can go intangible like he douse in AC and he has a near indestructable body and is just plain faster than it.

6. Chaos can fly out of reach of Cloud tho and by blast i mean like he did Azul a pysical wave of energy, so Cloud went through mega flare Chaos went through Omega’s barrior and Omega (plus beat Omega Weiss who had merged with Omega who had merged with the Lifestream witch Seph wanted in VII and in AC so Chaos>Omega Weiss>Sephiroth>Cloud) so he is sure as hell stronger than Bahamut and Cloud

If you don’t belive me then read this:

1. Vincent intangible
2. Omega sap’s the Lifestream
3. Omega and Chaos are still alive
4. Weiss Bond’s with Omega Omega with the WHOLE Lifestream (Hojo wanted to complete what Seph had tried to do with Meteor) so Omega Weiss>Sephiroth (who still want’s control of the Lifestream)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Valentine#Related_Final_Fantasy_VII_appearances

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Last edited 26 Apr 2008 08:35 pm by Kyle Knight
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27 Apr 2008 01:53 pm
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1. Sephiroth in AC never displayed the same speed he did in CC tho Buster, by this i mean of corse warp speed like he did against Zack, plus if SE say Seph is the strongest fastest and so forth then by all right’s Cloud should not have been able to move faster than Seph could avoid, so this disprove’s your lil theory that Seph pwn’s in every department (he could have used warp speed or hell even go intangible) so you pwn the UO by saying Seph>VIIverse when it’s only in power he is ahead.

So i concurr Cloud may have been to fast for Seph but not at all for Chaos.

He actually used warp speed to get into the building. Omnislash is a tech, and it’s a Deus Ex machina, it’s a way for Sephiroth to lose, and it’s the only way he does lose, THAT’s why he loses. I don’t pwn the UO because I am not the creator, nothing I say contradicts it as Omnislash is nothing more than a design to kill Sephiroth.

You are actually contradicting the UO by saying Chaos has better reflexes than Sephiroth.

2. Yazzo and Loz did do damage to Cloud at the end of AC when they shot him he was clearly injured and we all know Vincent>Rufus>Loz and Yazzo in FFVIIverse so i think Chaos gun will do (deffinately the death penalty, it fire’s energy) it’s also shown Chaos can fight at high Speed’s with a high level swordsman like Omega Weiss

Yazoo shot Cloud from behind, after he got stabbed in the same place from Sephiroth after a 1 hours (at least) battle, does he die? I’ll show you the quote if you want. What the hell you did not just say Rufus is more powerful than Loz and Yazoo, and Vincent is not mre powerful than Loz and Yazoo either LMAO. Chaos’s fighting speed has little to do with his fighting skill. I don’t think Omega Weiss is Sephiroth, do you? And you are assuming Chaos’s bullet would hit Cloud, which is not even funny.
Chaos>Omega Weiss>Cloud

Omnislash > All of them. Sephiroth was better than Cloud, and he’s dead, Omnislash destroys any of them, something Chaos doesn’t posses.
. Experiance and Intel help in a match hence why Seph own’s Cloud in the old skill department, Vinnie has six year’s on Cloud that’s a big differance when compairing skill with their weapon’s (Cloud only really getting skill from FFVII to DoC) Cloud has three year’s battle experiance Vinnie was a Turk long before Cloud was even born.

In layman’s term’s Vinnie can outsmart Cloud and back it up with brawn (Rufus Rude and Reno fail due to lack in the pysical department).

Sephiroth would own anyone, your point? The years mean fuck all, when Cloud is better fighter, it doesn’t matter about the duration, it’s about WHAT HE’S FOUGHT. I don’t remember Vincent soloing Sephiroth 3 times, nobody in VII can brag with that other than Cloud. Again Vincent who was a Turk got nailed by Hojo, your point?

How is Vincent gonna outsmart Cloud? Tell him that Aeris doesnt love him? That would quicken his defeat. Cloud si not dumb. You talk as if the Turks have a brilliant IQ lol.
. I belive Rufus and Co could outsmart Cloud but they fail horibly in a fight against him...but in I.Q Rufus is smarter Reno is just a retard and Rude is probably alittle smarter.

How are they going to have a chance to outsmart Cloud in a fight? I doubt that would even work in a story mode. Cloud has never been outsmarted, only manipulated.
. Chaos smacked down Omega like a little bitch,Vinnie has his chest ripped open Cloud get’s stabbed in the shoulder hmmm?, There is no proof Vincent would be pwned by Omnislash as he can go intangible like he douse in AC and he has a near indestructable body and is just plain faster than it.

Actually, Chaos DIDN’T smack down Omega, try kamikaze. Vincent had his chest ripped, and falls to the ground straight away. Cloud gets chested more than once, falls off a sector plate, soars through mega flare, gets shot in the face, chest, Vincent pretty much dies from Hojo’s shot. There is proof that Omnislash would destroy Chaos because it has beaten the MOST powerful character in VII, don’t you get it? He wouldn’t go intangible intime (and where did you get that from?) Sephiroth is more durable than Chaos and nigh immortal, your point?
6. Chaos can fly out of reach of Cloud tho and by blast i mean like he did Azul a pysical wave of energy, so Cloud went through mega flare Chaos went through Omega’s barrior and Omega (plus beat Omega Weiss who had merged with Omega who had merged with the Lifestream witch Seph wanted in VII and in AC so Chaos>Omega Weiss>Sephiroth>Cloud) so he is sure as hell stronger than Bahamut and Cloud

And yet we go around in circle, first off NOBODY is greater than Sephiroth, if you don’t like it, murder Kitase because it’s HIS WORDS. Chaos can fly out of reach, is that why Cloud was following Sephiroth when Sephiroh was flying? A barrier isn’t the same as a mega flare. Omega didn’t merge with the lifestream it was about to TAKE the liefstream from the planet, nobody is stronger than the planet in VII bar Sephiroth, ever wonder why he pops up here and again all the time, because his will is above the planets. If Chaos’s will is above the planets, he wouldn’t have died. Sephiroth didn’t want the lifestream in AC, HE HAD HIS OWN WHICH WAS DESTROYING THE POSISTIVE LIFESTREAM. So again Sephiroth > Everyone.
If you don’t belive me then read this:

1. Vincent intangible
2. Omega sap’s the Lifestream
3. Omega and Chaos are still alive
4. Weiss Bond’s with Omega Omega with the WHOLE Lifestream (Hojo wanted to complete what Seph had tried to do with Meteor) so Omega Weiss>Sephiroth (who still want’s control of the Lifestream)

Since when?
Omega was trying to take the lifestream OFF the planet.
By your logic so is Aeris, they returned to the lifestream so they are dead, Sephiroth HASN’T returned yet because he’s not dead, he can resist it diluting his will, something Chaos and Omega can’t do.
Sephiroth doesn’t want control over the lifestream, he’s fucking draining it, with HIS OWN lifestream, when Weiss can make his own gaia and destroy the proper one, tell me about it, and Weiss didn’t have the energy from the whole lifestream as everything would have died.
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27 Apr 2008 01:58 pm
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Kyle Knight wrote:
Red_Calibur9 wrote: Sora clearly wins this fight against Roxas.


In pure skill Roxas had that match but obviously SE had to make something up to let Sora win due to the good guy alway’s win’s so he used a cheap ass ability to summon his sword and catch him of guard.

You kidding? Sora was owning throughout the entire fight! He had way more skill than Roxas, and was only disarmed because he was out-weaponed, and still won!
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27 Apr 2008 02:02 pm
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29 Apr 2008 12:42 pm
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Dame this is a good fight but i got to go with Viny and Ricu on this one
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02 May 2008 05:13 pm
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hmmm abattle that seem’s obviouse at first but now i think about it Vincent and Riku would win given the argument’s and ability’s that back them
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02 May 2008 06:11 pm
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Cloud would beat Vincent and Riku by himself, Sephiroth would agree.
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02 May 2008 08:06 pm
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Wow i dident see you chooseing Cloud BUSTER SWORD - - hmmm the only way i see Cloud winning is Omnislash aside from that it’s about even Riku has a slight advantage over Sora that’s all im saying
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Cloud would beat Vincent and Riku by himself, Sephiroth would agree.

surely you don’t think Sephiroth has an opinion lol, but this just show’s the kinda underesimentation of some people when they say Cloud>Vincent AND Riku Vinnie and Cloud are equal’s my freind so how could Cloud beat them both
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05 May 2008 07:02 am
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Wow i dident see you chooseing Cloud BUSTER SWORD - - hmmm the only way i see Cloud winning is Omnislash aside from that it’s about even Riku has a slight advantage over Sora that’s all im saying

Yes I chose Cloud, your point dude?
He doesn’t need omnislash to kill/beat Vincent and Sora.
surely you don’t think Sephiroth has an opinion lol, but this just show’s the kinda underesimentation of some people when they say Cloud>Vincent AND Riku Vinnie and Cloud are equal’s my freind so how could Cloud beat them both
Yup Sephiroth would agree lol.
Keep telling yourself that Vincent and Cloud are equal if it makes you feel better. Lol I’m under-estimating Vincnet, I’m not the one who is saying Cloud is on par with Rosso, Auron, Tidus and a hell of alot of other characters can beat Cloud lol.
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05 May 2008 11:31 am
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Buster Sword wrote: Cloud would beat Vincent and Riku by himself, Sephiroth would agree.


what the hell man Cloud is over rated
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The Forbiden One wrote:
Buster Sword wrote: Cloud would beat Vincent and Riku by himself, Sephiroth would agree.


what the hell man Cloud is over rated


you are fucking ciding right man cloud would kick all there asses
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