cloud and sora vs vincent and riku

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ok what has Cloud dun apart from beet Sethy by fluke

Darkness 2008

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Im mearly pointing out the name Buster Sword has everything to do with your choice lol,

I don’t see Cloud beating both of them together as Vincent is an amazing shot compared to other Gunner’s in FFVII and destroy’s air Craft when he get’s direct hit’s im awear his Cirberus had little effect on Bahamut Sin but that’s an armoured dragon lol even so moan’s of pain are indicated when Vincent shoot’s it so a bullet hitting Cloud could pose a win for Valentine dont you think (Unless Cloud Omnislash’s him.

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3 times is not coincedence.

Oh I see, sorry for being a bitch lol.

Cloud has beaten Yazoon AND Loz at the same time, Loz stronger than Riku, Yazoo a better all round fighter than Vincent, he doesn’t need omnislash, he isn;t dependant on limit breaks unless he’s fighting someone more powerful lol.

Buster Sword

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I know when Cloud is/can be beaten, and this isn’t the time for it.

Darkness 2008

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Im just talking hardware man after seeing Valentine’s ability’s in DoC (still asumeing he can envoke on the inner power of Chaos) and seeing his crazy skill’s with that Gun i wouldent be surprised if he dident wound Cloud quight badly before he could get near him with that big assed sword (judgeing Vincent’s agility also lol).

There is also that crazy cape that seem’s to make Vincent intangible and hard to get at when it’s flying all over the place, so i kinda give him the opening advantage in range due to this.

Riku is pretty skilled and quight strong from what i recall (he send’s Roxas flying in one swipe in their opening fight by no small distance) so he could give either a good fight really.

I could be really cheap and say Vincent sniper’s Cloud lol but i know the chance’s are slim he would a, want to kill Cloud and Sora and b, resort to such a tactic.

Hmmm unless you can think of a convinceing argument on how Cloud can nail Vincent, him sitting their like a sitting duck aint going to happen then i kinda have to stick with my choice, pysicaly Vincent is a suped up Turk so he has the training ig hand to hand and such

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Well Vincent couldn’t nail Bahaumt nor could the rest of avalanche, Tifa even says Cloud is the strongest avalanche member. Cloud would block his bullets. I don’t think Vincnet is more agile.

Nah I don’t think he is, that an ability only Sephiroth has displayed.

But Loz is stronger and faster.
Lol that would be cheap.

He ain’t Mako augmented, beats remenants AND Bahamut WITH geostigma.

Darkness 2008

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Ahhh i see your useing low ebb Vincent here not DoC Vincent witch is were the problem lie’s while i respect Cloud Tifa never said he was the strongest, Vincent was the one who said Cloud could handle Kadaj alone tho remember probably knowing Cloud’s ability’s and strenth plus if you have ever had the pleasure to read the UO it say’s Vincent need’s to be pushed or really motivated to really interfear in a battle hence his reluctance to fight in Cloud’s Affair’s.

Im with you Cloud dominated AC but see it like this:

Cloud was motivated to fight Kadaj and Bahamut at the end he had found what he was fighting for Vincent however had no reason to fight and was still liveing with his sin, that’s why he is stronger in DoC he has the whole Hojo Lucrecia connection motivateing him to do his best (he wanted redemption), in AC Cloud’s heart wasnt in the fight untill later on when he stoped dilly dallying on the past lol

So now do you see the point im makeing everyone has their fight AC was Cloud’s Vincent respected that, but DoC was Vincent’s battle and Cloud steped aside and let him fight it out with Omega,

as for Bahamut and the remnant’s i have no doubt in my mind Vincent could beat them after seeing him beat the DG Tsveit’s such as Azul and Russo and Nero at their best i can also see him tearing Bahamut apart just cus he never beat Bahamut dousent mean he couldent have (he wasnt hurt or beaten) plus we know he could envoke Chaos and tranceform.

I find Vincent was most pasist in AC thus holding back (he could have stayed and helped Cloud fight the remnant’s but he dident) Vincent has a reluctance to fight without cause (Creator’s word’s not mine)

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Well we don’t know how much more powerful he’s gone, because he still fights less powerful things than Cloud, I heavily doubt even in DoC Vincent could beat Bahamut without going Chaos. Tifa indirectly said he was stronger, and it’s proven with the bahamut battle. The bahamut was an affair and he still had little affect on it.

He still had Geostigma when facing Bahamut, he gets the power boost after he loses it, so that tells you something about Cloud. Vincent had no reason to fight? If he had no reason he would have never come to help with Bahamut or save Cloud. He had a reason to fight, but he KNEW Cloud would pwn Kadaj. Again Cloud gets stronger because he loses Geostigma.

Notice Vincent said he could handle Kadaj, he wasn’t talking about Sephiroth, because he didn’t believe/know it would lead to Sephiroth coming back, just the possiblity, also Sephiroth separates himself from Avalanche so he could face Cloud, with the negative lifestream, if Avalanche could help, they would have. Yes I know Cloud and co let him, because they knew Chaos/Vincent could handle it, Sephiroth is different.

I don’t see Vincent beating remnants with or with Geostigma to be honest. Loz by himself is stronger and faster than Azul and Rosso, and Yazoo has brilliant fighting skill. How is Vincent going to beat Bahamut without turning Chaos, remember his bullets did nothing. Yes Vincent would only beat these guys WITH Chaos.

Then he wouldn’t have come at all if he didn’t have a need to fight.