| 03 Oct 2007 07:04 am |
hjkhjk Guest | whon would win.
we already know ichigo in his base form has superior strenth to naruto and suske combined because we see ichigo having power struggles with giant hollows before he even learns to controll his spiritual energy
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hjkhjk Guest | a little bit about ichigo
Powers
Though he does not possess any formal shinigami rank, Ichigo’s overall abilities are great enough that he can fight on the level of an elite shinigami captain. According to Aizen and Urahara, Ichigo’s most astounding ability is his growth rate: he grasps the basic control of advanced techniques in days where it might take someone else weeks or years. One example is the bankai of his zanpakutô, which he learns in three days with the assistance of a special device invented by Urahara. For a normal shinigami, this same feat would require hundreds of years of combat experience and at least ten additional years of special training. He also gains mastery of flash steps while training with Yoruichi, which was done over the same period as his bankai.
Physically, Ichigo is in top form even when not in his spiritual body. Ichigo has been trained in martial arts since he was a small child, both professionally and by his father’s constant assaults and surprise attacks when at home. He regularly fights with and defeats bullies and gangsters, and is a better martial artist than even Tatsuki, the second-strongest high school girl in all of Japan.
Shinigami powers
When he is in his shinigami body, Ichigo’s already impressive strength is greatly enhanced. He can easily wield his giant sword one-handed, leap several stories into the air, and in one case even fought off three shinigami lieutenants and their released zanpakutô bare-handed in rapid succession; he shattered one of their zanpakutô in a single punch. The arrancar Ulquiorra has claimed that Ichigo’s spiritual power at its peak is even greater than his own, but that it fluctuates wildly when he is in conflict with his inner hollow. Because he has far more spiritual energy than his body can contain, it leaks out constantly, preventing him from hiding it and effectively making stealth impossible when dealing with other spiritually-aware creatures.
In terms of fighting style, Ichigo relies mostly on his zanpakutô and the use of flash steps, and thus would be considered a swordsmanship specialist. Ichigo has never been formally taught kidô and has trouble controlling his spirit energy in all but the most basic of ways, due in part to the sheer amount of it he has.
Unlike most lieutenant and captain strength shinigami, Ichigo is able to fight with his full power in both the human and spiritual worlds. While captains and lieutenants have their power limited to a fifth of its normal level during trips to the real world in order to avoid unnecessarily influencing those living there, Ichigo holds no position in the Gotei 13 and thus has no such limit.
Hollow powers
Top panel: Ichigo’s inner hollow.
Bottom panel: Ichigo’s hollow form.Ichigo’s spiritual powers are not limited to just shinigami abilities; he possesses hollow powers as a result of his training with Urahara. While attempting to recover his shinigami powers, Ichigo began transforming into a hollow from the corrosion of his severed soul chain. Ichigo succeeds in awakening his shinigami powers, but retains his hollow spirit inside himself from the transformation. The title page of chapter 220 depicts the inner hollow with the mirror writing of Ichigo’s name.
Ichigo’s hollow spirit is his evil alter ego. The spirit is pretentious and mocks his counterpart’s inability in a sneering, didactic fashion whenever the chance arises. He relishes the idea of taking Ichigo’s strength for himself, and claims to be the manifestation of Ichigo’s instinctive lust for battle and the next kill. He also seems to gain any abilities that Ichigo knows, evidenced by his usage of getsuga tensho and his usage of bankai. Unlike Ichigo, the hollow fights like a berserker, and is able to ignore any injuries Ichigo has previously sustained [citation needed] along with considerable increases to his speed and strength.
Ichigo with his mask.At different points in the series, Ichigo’s hollow powers have manifested themselves in different ways. Initially, Ichigo’s hollow mask would appear on his body to block fatal blows, unbenownst to Ichigo until after the fight had ended. During his battle with Byakuya Kuchiki, half of the mask appeared on his face when he was near death, allowing his inner hollow to take over until Ichigo suppressed it. The same event is repeated multiple times after that. While suppressing his inner hollow, Ichigo is left effectively paralyzed, since his concentration was focused on suppressing it rather than fighting. The hollow claims that it manifests itself to protect Ichigo during near death moments because it is connected to Ichigo, and it would be a great inconvenience to the hollow if Ichigo were to die.
While he was in training with the vizard, Ichigo’s soul was completely overcome by his inner hollow for a short period, causing him to physically transform into a hollow. His near-complete hollow form resembles a large, humanoid lizard. In this form, Ichigo demonstrated several high-level abilities, including instantaneous regeneration, enhancement of limbs, and the ability to fire cero blasts from his fingers. However, this form didn’t last long as Ichigo emerged from the hollow shell as his standard shinigami self wearing a hollow mask.
After training with the vizard and subjugating his inner hollow, Ichigo can use his hollow mask while retaining his personality, but could originally only wear it for eleven seconds at a time.[14] His limit increases during his third battle with Grimmjow Jeagerjaques, but to what extent is unclear. His overall limit is barely a fraction of the amount other vizard can maintain their masks. After the time limit, the mask breaks and Ichigo loses its benefits. Subsequent attempts to use the mask can only be maintained for an instant. While wearing the mask, Ichigo’s hollow powers supplement his shinigami powers, giving him a vast increase in both strength and speed
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hjkhjk Guest | about naruto
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Abilities
At the start of the series, the only jutsu Naruto could do without fail was the Sexy Technique,[8] a creative but almost completely useless diversionary technique used simply to shock his instructors. Though Naruto had trouble with the Clone Technique at the start of the series, he quickly learns how to use the Multiple Shadow Clone Technique and the smaller-scale Shadow Clone Technique, Jonin-level techniques, in both the first episode and chapter of the series. This particular ninjutsu grows to be his most-used technique, as it often serves as the basis for other moves. The Shadow Clone technique allows Naruto to create replicas of himself. Unlike the Clone technique, the replicas are physical beings rather than illusions, making them capable of attacking and intercepting blows, and even adding intensity to one’s training. He even uses his Shadow Clones to “add” to his first jutsu to create the Harem Technique,[23] though it is still a fairly useless technique.
At the start of the series, Naruto primarily creates Shadow Clones for the purpose of taijutsu in terms of combat. Naruto also often creates Shadow Clones to act as decoys or for other deceptive tactics, such as diverting attention away from himself so that he may use the Transformation Technique unnoticed. Naruto makes more intelligent and better control of his clones as the series progresses. In his fight with Neji, for instance, Naruto dispersed several of his clones once one was hit, creating the illusion that Neji had hit the real Naruto.[24] Later in the series, Naruto would hide away while several clones attack, confusing the enemy when there was no Naruto remaining. During his fight with Gaara, Naruto even uses his clones as shields and platforms to bound off of in the air. By Naruto: Shippûden, Naruto’s usage and timing of the technique has become more advanced. Various tactics he has shown include creating clones to push himself out of the way of an attack, transform into weapons, and fall for traps in his stead.
Naruto has also developed several advanced combat techniques using his clones. The first of these is his Uzumaki Naruto Combo, a move based on a similar move used by Sasuke. In performing this, Naruto kicks the opponent high into the air multiple times using his clones and sends them crashing to the ground with a flying kick, chanting the syllables of his name with each blow.[25] He can perform a larger-scale version of this technique using 1999 clones, known as the Uzumaki Naruto 2k Combo.[26] Other clone-enabled techniques include the Clone Body Blow, in which Naruto throws a clone as a projectile weapon,[27] the Clone Spinning Heel Drop, where multiple clones axe kick the opponent simultaneously and “No-Escape Shurikens”, where all active clones throw a barrage of cloned shuriken simultaneously. Some moves are unnamed, such as forming a human ladder out of clones to catch someone.
Naruto can also use his clones to aid him in his strongest offensive technique: the Rasengan, taught to him by Jiraiya, in which Naruto thrusts a ball of spiraling energy at his opponent. While Jiraiya and Kakashi can perform it with one hand, Naruto was unable to when he first learned it due to its high difficulty. He finally discovered how to perform it successfully by sharing the task with a shadow clone. He can also perform a larger and more devastating version of this techniqe, the Great Ball Rasengan; this version of the jutsu is unstable though, and requires the shadow clone to hold on to the sphere along with him.
Much later, Kakashi teaches Naruto to manipulate elemental chakra. Naruto’s elemental chakra type is revealed to be wind, which is well suited to combat for its slicing ability. The elemental training is a prerequisite to creating his own unique jutsu. This jutsu is revealed to be a combination of his elemental chakra and the Rasengan, which the Fourth Hokage had created expressly for that purpose. However, he could not manage to combine the two before his death. After much training and a shortcut inspired by Kakashi, Naruto creates the Wind Release: Rasengan, a much more powerful version of the original. The jutsu is capable of producing a massive crater beneath Naruto. Despite the great power of the technique, Yamato confirms that it is still only about halfway finished. Even only half-finished, Naruto’s control over the technique is finely-tuned, allowing him to manipulate the wind chakra into various shapes, such as a shuriken in Wind Release: Spiraling Shuriken. The jutsu is capable of damaging every cell in the opponent’s body. Such is its power that Tsunade likens the effect to poison, stating plainly how concentrated the effect is. Unfortunately, Naruto’s arm suffers nearly the same damage, and the technique is only to be used as a last resort.
For larger battles, Naruto attempts to use the Summoning Technique, a jutsu that requires a small offering of blood in exchange for calling forth an animal, in his case, toads.[28] Because of Naruto’s poor chakra control, Naruto has not displayed the ability to call forth a specific toad, but he always summons either Gamakichi, Gamatatsu, or the gigantic Gamabunta. As the animals have minds of their own, Naruto has difficulty controlling them, meaning that they typically have to become motivated to fight on their own.
The demon fox’s assistance
Naruto in his four-tailed demon fox-transformation.Naruto’s most dangerous trait is his ability to draw chakra from the demon fox. Even without directly drawing upon it, a small amount of the demon fox’s chakra is always mixed with his own. His body instinctively rejects the bulk of it due to the damage it would cause. Ebisu implies that Naruto’s poor chakra control stems from this, as a portion of his chakra is used to reject the overwhelming fox chakra. According to Kakashi, Naruto’s regular chakra level is about twice that of Kakashi’s own. As such, he is naturally suited to jutsu that use a large amount of chakra, such as his specialty, the Shadow Clone Technique. While most ninja are only capable of creating a few clones safely, due to the jutsu’s hazard of equally dividing the user’s chakra among the clones, Naruto is able to create upwards of two thousand while maintaining a decent supply of chakra in each one.
The fox chakra enhances every aspect of Naruto’s physiology, making him a nearly unstoppable force. His speed and strength increase far beyond that of most ninja, as does his healing rate, allowing him to regenerate even major wounds in a few seconds. His stamina is also increased beyond its normal level, allowing him to fight without tiring. Because the chakra holding back the fox’s chakra is gone, Naruto also gains the ability to mold the chakra to a much finer degree, allowing one-handed Rasengans.
Under Jiraiya’s tutelage, Naruto learns to draw upon(and even demand) the fox’s chakra at will. While doing this, a strong aura of red chakra envelops him, although this is the only physical difference. He gains increased speed and strength and also recovers from severe injuries near instantaneously.
When Naruto is under emotional stress or in a life-threatening situation (or a combination), he is able to draw upon a larger amount of chakra than normal. The whiskers on his cheeks expand and enlarge, his eyes change from blue to bloodshot red, his fingernails grow to become small claws, and his canines enlarge. He gains an enormous boost in strength and speed, and anything short of a fully-matured Sharingan has trouble keeping up. He can produce powerful shockwaves of chakra by screaming, and his healing factor increases as well. In this form, Naruto can still retain some of his personality, although he is much more violent and bloodthirsty than normal.
If Naruto musters enough of the fox’s chakra, a chakra shield is summoned. This shield is capable of acting on its own as a separate entity, making it difficult to predict Naruto’s movements. The shield created by the demon fox’s chakra is perhaps the most versatile defense seen in the series, since it is impervious to almost any attack. The shield can also stretch and skew to many sizes and lengths, allowing Naruto to attack opponents from a distance. Additionally, Naruto can use it to create waves of concentrated chakra to repel opponents. In Naruto’s four-tailed state, the chakra shield is intense enough to burn others and act as a potent poison.
Naruto’s state of mind coincides with his tailed transformation states, which are characterized by a fox-shaped shield of chakra surrounding Naruto with a number of tails to indicate the amount of chakra. Naruto becomes more powerful with each “tail” the chakra shield grows, but also loses more of himself to the demon fox. Up to his three-tailed state, he remains in control, though somewhat more feral than normal. He also starts feeling pain from the intense chakra. In his three-tailed state, Naruto has to fight the demon fox for dominance, and the chakra is intense enough to not only cause him pain, but anyone in the vicinity as well. Once he reaches his four-tailed state, the demon fox becomes dominant. In this state, which is the highest state Naruto has reached, Naruto’s mind becomes mixed with the demon fox’s, causing the regular Naruto to fade out. As Jiraiya describes it, Naruto becomes a miniature version of the demon fox.
Even with all of its benefits, Naruto’s human body can only handle so much of the demon fox’s chakra, as demon chakra is far more intense than human chakra. As he draws upon greater amounts of the demon fox’s chakra, his own body is weakened. In his four-tailed state, the demon fox’s chakra is so intense that it constantly burns Naruto’s skin, causing him to bleed from every pore. This causes his blood to mix with the demon fox’s chakra, creating a red chakra shield. In addition to the constant damage, the demon fox’s chakra also constantly regenerates Naruto’s damaged tissue. This repeated cycle of damage and repair severely weakens Naruto’s cellular structure, shortening his overall lifespan in a manner similar to Tsunade’s Creation Rebirth jutsu.
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The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 24  Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,966 OFFLINE | Ichigo speedblitzes him.
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Assassin Rep: 17 Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 6,572 OFFLINE | sexy jutsu
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α^9→íF♠┌ | | | 03 Oct 2007 09:59 pm |
The Clown Prince of Crime Rep: 24Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,966 OFFLINE | Since when has Naruto used that in a fight?And exactly how would he know Ichigo doesn’t like to see naked girls?
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Assassin Rep: 17Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 6,572 OFFLINE | I don’t know much about bleach from wwhat I’ve heard they are very strong
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Assassin Rep: 17Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 6,572 OFFLINE | Mortis wrote:
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α^9→íF♠┌ | | | 05 Oct 2007 09:55 am |
sadsa Guest | ichigo would F**k up naruto in base form and in there hidden forms
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