btw at ssj3 goku fight with kid buu... he not full control for that form... after he killed kid buu and kid buu reincarnate again... at that time he is stronger than mystic gohan and kid buu and at that time he is can full control SSJ3...
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Kyle Knight wrote:
on your part yea, fighting waists Ki and Goku used up a hell of alot in SSJ3 with Kamehamehas and retaining the transformation, he dident have the energy reseerves to strike a winning blow, hence he POWERED UP as in restored his power.
... HE WAS ON PAR THE WHOLE TIME. Vegeta says finish it, GOku said he could but he would need to POWER UP TO FULL to do so, and Vegeta said I’ll buy u the time so ya...
Kyle Knight wrote:
on your part yea, fighting waists Ki and Goku used up a hell of alot in SSJ3 with Kamehamehas and retaining the transformation, he dident have the energy reseerves to strike a winning blow, hence he POWERED UP as in restored his power.
... HE WAS ON PAR THE WHOLE TIME. Vegeta says finish it, GOku said he could but he would need to POWER UP TO FULL to do so, and Vegeta said I’ll buy u the time so ya...
Yea Vegeta gave him time to power up so he could beat Kid Buu if not Goku couldent
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Kyle Knight wrote:
Yea Vegeta gave him time to power up so he could beat Kid Buu if not Goku couldent
He WASTED power before so HE COULDN’T DESTROY KID BUU. He only asked Vegeta to distract Kid Buu so he could power to his MAX which he NEVER USED PREVIOUSLY...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Yea Vegeta gave him time to power up so he could beat Kid Buu if not Goku couldent
He WASTED power before so HE COULDN’T DESTROY KID BUU. He only asked Vegeta to distract Kid Buu so he could power to his MAX which he NEVER USED PREVIOUSLY...
Please proove Goku was holding back, as i saw it Goku waisted too much energy fighting Buu and needed to power up too Maximum like he says’s “mabe if id attacked with my full strenth from the start i could have won but i let the fight drag on so you could have a shot, Darnit i let it drag on too long i should have destroyed Buu when i had the chance"
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actually, super buu IS fat buu.... just a different body and with less compassion... the thin buu just happened to have the majority of fat buus energy, thats why he looked more powerful.. thats why he managed to absorbed fat buu
ssj6kalel wrote:
actually, super buu IS fat buu.... just a different body and with less compassion... the thin buu just happened to have the majority of fat buus energy, thats why he looked more powerful.. thats why he managed to absorbed fat buu
yea i know i see it like this:
Fat Buu vs Goku SSJ3 = Goku SSJ3 (given the time)
Fat Buu loses strenth to Thiner Buu,
Fat Buu vs Thin Buu = Thin Buu
they merge and become Super Buu but their strenth increases because of,
Gotenks vs Fat Buu = Fat Buu
Gotenks SSJ vs Fat Buu = On Par
Gotenks SSJ3 vs Fat Buu = Gotenks SSJ3
Goten and Tunks train in Room Of Spirit and Time
Gotenks vs Super Buu = Super Buu
Gotenks SSJ vs Super Buu = Super Buu
Gotenks SSJ3 vs Super Buu = On Par
Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu = Mystic Gohan
Super Buu absorbes Gotenks SSJ3 and Piccolo the equivelent of an SSJ.
Gotenks Buu vs Mystic Gohan = Gotenks Buu
Kid Buu vs Fat Buu = Kid Buu (but Fat Buu is weaker now than he was tho).
Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3 = Kid Buu/on par for awhile. (Goku power loss, needed help could not phase Kid Buu).
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ssj6kalel wrote:
actually, super buu IS fat buu.... just a different body and with less compassion... the thin buu just happened to have the majority of fat buus energy, thats why he looked more powerful.. thats why he managed to absorbed fat buu
yea i know i see it like this:
Fat Buu vs Goku SSJ3 = Goku SSJ3 (given the time)
Fat Buu loses strenth to Thiner Buu,
Fat Buu vs Thin Buu = Thin Buu
they merge and become Super Buu but their strenth increases because of,
Gotenks vs Fat Buu = Fat Buu
Gotenks SSJ vs Fat Buu = On Par
Gotenks SSJ3 vs Fat Buu = Gotenks SSJ3
Goten and Tunks train in Room Of Spirit and Time
Gotenks vs Super Buu = Super Buu
Gotenks SSJ vs Super Buu = Super Buu
Gotenks SSJ3 vs Super Buu = On Par
Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu = Mystic Gohan
Super Buu absorbes Gotenks SSJ3 and Piccolo the equivelent of an SSJ.
Gotenks Buu vs Mystic Gohan = Gotenks Buu
Kid Buu vs Fat Buu = Kid Buu (but Fat Buu is weaker now than he was tho).
Kid Buu vs Goku SSJ3 = Kid Buu/on par for awhile. (Goku power loss, needed help could not phase Kid Buu).
and when kid buu was fighting the fat buu, kid buu wasnt going all out... he was playing with him.. just as kid buu wasnt going all out against vegeta...kid buu was toying with them... oh and piccolo at the time of buu saga, was more powerful than an ordinary ssj..
Kyle Knight wrote:
I dont see how Goku could have beaten Kid Buu he couldent reach his max, Kid Buu wasnt tired Goku was that’s why Vegeta had too buy him time if the fight had continued Goku would have been crushed after loseing SSJ3
Wrong. Goku was fighting ON PAR with Kid Buu but didn’t have an advantage. So Vegeta suggests him to use full power and Goku said Kid Buu won’t give him enough reaction time. Vegeta says I’ll buy you that minute and this is where everything gets screwed up - BY TRYING TO GO TO FULL POWER HE LOST SSJ. He wasn’t gonna lose SSJ3 against Kid Buu so he was DEAD EVEN even though he wasn’t at full power.
..goku wasted his energy fighting as a ssj2... and he also mentioned that in the afterlife he can maintain being a ssj3.. but in world of the living its just too tiring to maintain..goku was trying to go all out but his ssj3 form was quickly draining his power thats why he couldnt beat buu..
So basicaly Goku could not beat Kid Buu because he ran out of energy as ive said all along.
Ghan was morepowerful than Goku’s SSJ3 in so many ways,
1. No power loss
2. He had his full potential unlocked, and Half breeds naturaly are stronger than Full blooded Saiyan’s.
3. Goku himself could not have wooped Super Buu like Gohan did even with SSJ3, he was haveing problems with Fat Buu who is weaker and less skilled (Gohan picked him apart effortlessly).
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Kyle Knight wrote:
So basicaly Goku could not beat Kid Buu because he ran out of energy as ive said all along.
Ghan was morepowerful than Goku’s SSJ3 in so many ways,
1. No power loss
2. He had his full potential unlocked, and Half breeds naturaly are stronger than Full blooded Saiyan’s.
3. Goku himself could not have wooped Super Buu like Gohan did even with SSJ3, he was haveing problems with Fat Buu who is weaker and less skilled (Gohan picked him apart effortlessly).
numbers 1 and 2= i think those are disadvantages.. doesnt make someone weaker... they just make someone fight with a handicap...
number 3= goku was taking it easy with fat buu... he wants goten and trunks to fight... but i still think gohan and goku are almost on the same pl... only goku cant fight in his ssj3 for very long... well if his dead he could... super buus body are better equipped for fighting unlike fat buu... but i dont think theres any significant power changes.. but thats just me... you could prove me wrong...
Kyle Knight wrote:
So basicaly Goku could not beat Kid Buu because he ran out of energy as ive said all along.
Ghan was morepowerful than Goku’s SSJ3 in so many ways,
1. No power loss
2. He had his full potential unlocked, and Half breeds naturaly are stronger than Full blooded Saiyan’s.
3. Goku himself could not have wooped Super Buu like Gohan did even with SSJ3, he was haveing problems with Fat Buu who is weaker and less skilled (Gohan picked him apart effortlessly).
numbers 1 and 2= i think those are disadvantages.. doesnt make someone weaker... they just make someone fight with a handicap...
number 3= goku was taking it easy with fat buu... he wants goten and trunks to fight... but i still think gohan and goku are almost on the same pl... only goku cant fight in his ssj3 for very long... well if his dead he could... super buus body are better equipped for fighting unlike fat buu... but i dont think theres any significant power changes.. but thats just me... you could prove me wrong...
In a nutshell except for the fact Kid Buu DID not make Goku lose any power and THIS particular pure breed is stronger than any halfbreed...
Kyle Knight wrote:
So basicaly Goku could not beat Kid Buu because he ran out of energy as ive said all along.
Ghan was morepowerful than Goku’s SSJ3 in so many ways,
1. No power loss
2. He had his full potential unlocked, and Half breeds naturaly are stronger than Full blooded Saiyan’s.
3. Goku himself could not have wooped Super Buu like Gohan did even with SSJ3, he was haveing problems with Fat Buu who is weaker and less skilled (Gohan picked him apart effortlessly).
numbers 1 and 2= i think those are disadvantages.. doesnt make someone weaker... they just make someone fight with a handicap...
number 3= goku was taking it easy with fat buu... he wants goten and trunks to fight... but i still think gohan and goku are almost on the same pl... only goku cant fight in his ssj3 for very long... well if his dead he could... super buus body are better equipped for fighting unlike fat buu... but i dont think theres any significant power changes.. but thats just me... you could prove me wrong...
your argument is pretty solid actually but the facts would point in Kid Buu’s favor all out, (Regen dident tire massive energy reseerves could batter Goku Vegeta and Fat Buu).
And once again even if Goku was holding back against Fat Buu he still had a harder time than Gohan did against Super Buu (Goku gets hit and dousent seem to weaken Fat Buu in the least, Gohan crushed Super Buu with practical ease), plus when Goku gets brought back to life his power isnt as great as it was and Fat Buu’s power is also significantly less haveing lost the majority of his power to Evil Buu.
So once again Goku in SSJ3 has major handicaps to Mystic and Kid Buu and is logicaly proven weaker.
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Kyle Knight wrote:
So basicaly Goku could not beat Kid Buu because he ran out of energy as ive said all along.
Ghan was morepowerful than Goku’s SSJ3 in so many ways,
1. No power loss
2. He had his full potential unlocked, and Half breeds naturaly are stronger than Full blooded Saiyan’s.
3. Goku himself could not have wooped Super Buu like Gohan did even with SSJ3, he was haveing problems with Fat Buu who is weaker and less skilled (Gohan picked him apart effortlessly).
numbers 1 and 2= i think those are disadvantages.. doesnt make someone weaker... they just make someone fight with a handicap...
number 3= goku was taking it easy with fat buu... he wants goten and trunks to fight... but i still think gohan and goku are almost on the same pl... only goku cant fight in his ssj3 for very long... well if his dead he could... super buus body are better equipped for fighting unlike fat buu... but i dont think theres any significant power changes.. but thats just me... you could prove me wrong...
In a nutshell except for the fact Kid Buu DID not make Goku lose any power and THIS particular pure breed is stronger than any halfbreed...
Lol why do you even bother opinion dousen count as fact buddy
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Kyle Knight wrote:
So basicaly Goku could not beat Kid Buu because he ran out of energy as ive said all along.
Ghan was morepowerful than Goku’s SSJ3 in so many ways,
1. No power loss
2. He had his full potential unlocked, and Half breeds naturaly are stronger than Full blooded Saiyan’s.
3. Goku himself could not have wooped Super Buu like Gohan did even with SSJ3, he was haveing problems with Fat Buu who is weaker and less skilled (Gohan picked him apart effortlessly).
numbers 1 and 2= i think those are disadvantages.. doesnt make someone weaker... they just make someone fight with a handicap...
number 3= goku was taking it easy with fat buu... he wants goten and trunks to fight... but i still think gohan and goku are almost on the same pl... only goku cant fight in his ssj3 for very long... well if his dead he could... super buus body are better equipped for fighting unlike fat buu... but i dont think theres any significant power changes.. but thats just me... you could prove me wrong...
your argument is pretty solid actually but the facts would point in Kid Buu’s favor all out, (Regen dident tire massive energy reseerves could batter Goku Vegeta and Fat Buu).
And once again even if Goku was holding back against Fat Buu he still had a harder time than Gohan did against Super Buu (Goku gets hit and dousent seem to weaken Fat Buu in the least, Gohan crushed Super Buu with practical ease), plus when Goku gets brought back to life his power isnt as great as it was and Fat Buu’s power is also significantly less haveing lost the majority of his power to Evil Buu.
So once again Goku in SSJ3 has major handicaps to Mystic and Kid Buu and is logicaly proven weaker.
2 things: 1st, goku wants the kids to kill fat buu... thats why he didnt go all out... he was just toying with fat buu.. besides he was preserving his energy bcoz he was planning to teach them the fusion technique..
2nd, gohan said to super buu, and i quote “i didnt come here to beat you. i came to kill you." gohan was trying to kill super buu..
do you remember the fight of piccolo and android #17? look at it this way... if ssj3 goku and gohan fought with evrything they got... piccolo=goku bcoz both of them were losing huge amounts of energy... #17=gohan bcoz #17 has an infinite amount of energy and gohan doesnt lose that much energy when fighting.....
so yeah, i think they are basicaly almost on par with each other... well almost....
ill agree with him lol apart from the fact Fat Buu wasnt hut in the least and Super Buu was and Gohan was pulling his punche"s remember when he floors Super Buu “you can get up now i know ur not hurt not from an attack like that” and again when he apears behind buu after smashing him into the floor “hi nice day” do they sound like remarks you would make if you were trying to kill somebody?
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Kyle Knight wrote:
ill agree with him lol apart from the fact Fat Buu wasnt hut in the least and Super Buu was and Gohan was pulling his punche"s remember when he floors Super Buu “you can get up now i know ur not hurt not from an attack like that” and again when he apears behind buu after smashing him into the floor “hi nice day” do they sound like remarks you would make if you were trying to kill somebody?
im not sure about the nice day remark... it could have been a mis translation on the dubbers part... im not sure.... bcoz i, remember that gohan said, im behind you, or something like that... oh and fat buu wasnt hurt, bcoz, well, bcoz gokus not serious... i mean majin vegeta could hurt fat buu, so ssj3 goku could too with alot less effort...
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