| 03 Oct 2007 06:13 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47  Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | Well what ya think. Does this fit under the first amendment for freedom of speech and expression. Or is this treasonous actions towards the American government.
I’ll make this a poll but this is a lot deeper than yes or no.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:19 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37 Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,455 OFFLINE | isnt it like burning a cloth with colors on it?
MEH
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:20 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 74 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,001 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
isnt it like burning a cloth with colors on it?
MEH
Yes, but it’s also a symbol of our country.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:22 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,455 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
jomas the grunt wrote:
isnt it like burning a cloth with colors on it?
MEH
Yes, but it’s also a symbol of our country.
well im from canada
ummm i guess it would be a naughty thing to do
it would be worse if u used it as toilet paper though
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:24 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 74Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,001 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
Cid wrote:
jomas the grunt wrote:
isnt it like burning a cloth with colors on it?
MEH
Yes, but it’s also a symbol of our country.
well im from canada
ummm i guess it would be a naughty thing to do
it would be worse if u used it as toilet paper though
Either way it’s still desecration of the flag.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:27 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,455 OFFLINE | ummmmm
i guess
but what is the flag put on?
if the symbol was put on my fire wood id most likely burn it...
if its a flag then no
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:29 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 74Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,001 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
ummmmm
i guess
but what is the flag put on?
if the symbol was put on my fire wood id most likely burn it...
if its a flag then no
Well, the flag symbolizes our country, our freedom, and the people who fight to protect those things. Doing anything to a flag is basically doing it to us.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:31 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,455 OFFLINE | well if u had a birthday and the icing was in the form of the flag would u still eat it?
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:34 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 74Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,001 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
well if u had a birthday and the icing was in the form of the flag would u still eat it?
It’s not the flag though. :/
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:43 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | But as for freedom of speech don’t you have the right to desecrate the flag. It’s freedom of speech. Just as much as you have the right to denounce the government. This was actually a federal case where someone in Texas burned the American flag. Got to federal level and they said it was constitutional and charges were dropped.
I would say it’s just as constitutional as saying that Bush is an idiot. Although speech isn’t violent neither is buring a flag. It’s simply freedom of expression.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:52 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 26 Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,135 OFFLINE | Yeah, sure. But if they do, they should be booted from the nation. Not that they would care. Apparently they hate it.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:54 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | Why? If someone spoke out against the president saying he should be overthrown and a new one should be elected should they be denied their freedom of speech and expression. As long as they aren’t physically trying to overthrow government they should be allowed vocally and symbolically able to do these kinda things.
The rule to go off of is that you are allowed to express your rights as long as it doesn’t take away from others rights.
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| 03 Oct 2007 06:58 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10 Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Why? If someone spoke out against the president saying he should be overthrown and a new one should be elected should they be denied their freedom of speech and expression. As long as they aren’t physically trying to overthrow government they should be allowed vocally and symbolically able to do these kinda things.
The rule to go off of is that you are allowed to express your rights as long as it doesn’t take away from others rights.
he means that if someone goes burning flags about how much they hate America, we should do everyone a favor and kick them out. Because, apparently, they hate America, so they should be happy to leave.
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:01 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | But you can’t kick them out. That’s the thing. You are jsut going to have to deal with it that some people don’t agree with you. Just like 89% of American doesn’t agree with the US Congress and 70% of America doesn’t agree with the President.
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:03 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | They don’t have to agree with the president or congress, we’re talking about how people who hate America, should be kicked out! If they say they hate America, than why should we keep them here?
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:08 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | Cause we can’t get rid of them. Just as much as I can’t get rid of Bush and the Congress.
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:10 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Cause we can’t get rid of them. Just as much as I can’t get rid of Bush and the Congress.
Why can’t we deport them if they want to leave? Ah, well it doesn’t matter.
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:11 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
Zucas wrote:
Cause we can’t get rid of them. Just as much as I can’t get rid of Bush and the Congress.
Why can’t we deport them if they want to leave? Ah, well it doesn’t matter.
Yea that’s kinda above the question. Although the question is debateable the federal judicial system has stated that burning an American flag is constituional and protected by the first amendment.
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:12 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | How do ya feel about hate crimes? I think that they are foolish.
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| 03 Oct 2007 07:16 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,722 OFFLINE | Yea pretty silly. Kinda like that whole thing about RE5 being racist. In some areas people simply need to get a grip. I mean racism would detereorate faster if people would let it die. I hate all these activist for both Blacks and Whites using racism as a way for vengeance, political attention, or simply public attention. Simply wrong.
I mean sure you need to take on the outright racist things but come on if 2 men get into a fight and happen to be opposite races doesn’t mean racism should be the first thing to pop in your head. That is only driving it more into people’s heads that these 2 races aren’t of one of the same.
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