| 09 Oct 2007 12:07 am |
Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 833 OFFLINE |
 ramunematt wrote:
POW wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
POW wrote:
um... without satan the world wouldnt be this way right now. no satan=no suffering.
God’s purpose? “purpose”?
u dont even know(or care about) mankinds purpose. what makes u think u know God’s purpose?
But didn’t god create Satan and by extension suffering? And didn’t he know he would be betrayed?
And what about his “plan”? What is part of his “perfect” plan to create a world full of suffering and evil?
hmmmm?
u mean to say God brought suffering to this world by creating Satan? no. God didnt make Satan evil in the beginning.
no, i dont believe God knew what Satan would turn into.
its a good question. makes me wonder who has more influence over your choices, the world around you or you yourself.
i have compared Satan to a criminal. no one is born a criminal. society makes criminals. or do criminals just choose to ignore their conscience? i dont know.
his plan? to create a world full of suffering and evil? i dont know what ur talking about.
Well, the Bible says god made a plan and it was “good”. It also says he is all knowing and all powerful and all loving, and created everything. If he is all knowing then he should have known that his creation would betray him. If he is all powerful then he should have been able to stop Satan. If he was all loving he wouldn’t blame us for what he did. Why would he purposely create sometihng that he knew would bring suffering and evil to his “perfect” world? That is a question that no theist has been able to answer for me.
what is this plan and what verse can u find it?
i dont believe God is all knowing, i havent seen a verse that would suggest it. he knows all things excluding the future. if he did then my life has been predestined and i have no freewill.
by stopping Satan do u mean stop his encounter with eve? what exactly? his rebellion? if ur child rebels against u how would u stop him? kill him?
by allowing Satan’s rebellion God wanted everyone to know the consequence of disobedience to God.
he couldve ended Satan, Adam, and Eve’s life right there and then. or he couldve just locked them up. but that would not have settled the issue of whose rulership is right and best.
“blame us for what he did”? um... what did he do exactly?
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| 09 Oct 2007 12:14 am |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 833 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
And POW note that I’m not trying to be hostile towards you (I hope your not hostile towards me), I’m just trying to understand what some Christians are trying to say.
no im not hostile towards u either. ur just asking questions. u put my faith to the test.
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| 12 Oct 2007 06:21 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10  Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | God had a plan, from the beginning. He wants people in Heaven, who want to be there not just because its Heaven, but because they love God.
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| 12 Oct 2007 07:10 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47 Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,733 ONLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
God had a plan, from the beginning. He wants people in Heaven, who want to be there not just because its Heaven, but because they love God.
And bring money. He needs money.
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| 12 Oct 2007 07:31 pm |
Nyarlathotep Rep: 10Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
God had a plan, from the beginning. He wants people in Heaven, who want to be there not just because its Heaven, but because they love God.
And bring money. He needs money.
I don’t follow?
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| 16 Oct 2007 07:56 am |
Wannabe Rep: 0 Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Posts: 57 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
God had a plan, from the beginning. He wants people in Heaven, who want to be there not just because its Heaven, but because they love God.
And bring money. He needs money.
he also accepts visa, cashiers check, and IOU’s
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| 16 Oct 2007 11:19 am |
Strange little girl Rep: 37 Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 6,802 | Dark Is The Moon wrote:
Zucas wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
God had a plan, from the beginning. He wants people in Heaven, who want to be there not just because its Heaven, but because they love God.
And bring money. He needs money.
he also accepts visa, cashiers check, and IOU’s
But not Monopoly money? I’m in trouble! 
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