| 14 Oct 2007 05:46 pm |
Live like an angel, die like a devil Rep: 18  Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,745 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
ChaosSpartan wrote:
Thats a good question.
Those masochistic emo kids are in for a big surprise when they get Hell.
I dont think hell would be the whole fire and brimstone thing in the bible. It would be sitting in a pink room, listening to fallout boy, watching full house, while a preppy douche keeps trying to annoy you. That, my friend, is hell.
well, hell is probably different for different people. Some might have it worse than others.
But, it also says that the fires of hell never burn out.
Well, after that, being burned would be a welcome punishment.
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Nyarlathotep Rep: 8 Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 6,914 OFFLINE | lol
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El Capitan Rep: 15 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
Very well then.
Explain to me how nonliving material became alive.
If we can’t make them happen, then there is no way it could possibly of happened by accident.
Your getting evolution and abiogenesis mixed together. Here is an abiogenesis FAQ’s page
And what do you mean by “accident”?
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El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
I have a question.
Why do theists get so pissed off at the mere mention of evolution, and why do atheists get pissed off at the mere mention of creation?
Fact is, its almost impossible to prove god does/doesnt exist, and that you shouldnt be so concerned how you got here. You should be concerned about not being a complete douche, and not about whether or not you came from microorganisms, or god.
My 2 gaytarded cents.
It’s in human nature to argue when we don’t agree with something. It’s perfectly normal. I mean just look at the Games section.
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| | | 14 Oct 2007 10:58 pm |
Live like an angel, die like a devil Rep: 18Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,745 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
I have a question.
Why do theists get so pissed off at the mere mention of evolution, and why do atheists get pissed off at the mere mention of creation?
Fact is, its almost impossible to prove god does/doesnt exist, and that you shouldnt be so concerned how you got here. You should be concerned about not being a complete douche, and not about whether or not you came from microorganisms, or god.
My 2 gaytarded cents.
It’s in human nature to argue when we don’t agree with something. It’s perfectly normal. I mean just look at the Games section.
That wasnt the question. The question was, Why are we so concerned where we came from?
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El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | ChaosSpartan wrote:
Most atheists get angry, because many religious people run around screaming: “You’re goin ta hell, dirty rotten sinner!"
And no one wants to here that.
I don’t get mad when I hear about evolution, I get aggravated when people act like religion is absolutely ridiculous.
An Atheist’s biggest fear is that when he dies, he might be wrong.
I have nothing to fear about death. If I’m wrong, and there is no God, then I haven’t lost anything.
Well the thing is, you limited the outcome of death to either nothingness or your particular religion. In reality there are literally hundreds (possibly even thousands) of different religions that have been practiced throughout history. It’s not just a choice of atheism or Christianity, there is actually a small chance that your right with all those different religions out there.
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El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
I have a question.
Why do theists get so pissed off at the mere mention of evolution, and why do atheists get pissed off at the mere mention of creation?
Fact is, its almost impossible to prove god does/doesnt exist, and that you shouldnt be so concerned how you got here. You should be concerned about not being a complete douche, and not about whether or not you came from microorganisms, or god.
My 2 gaytarded cents.
It’s in human nature to argue when we don’t agree with something. It’s perfectly normal. I mean just look at the Games section.
That wasnt the question. The question was, Why are we so concerned where we came from?
Well with us being humans, with our species having highly developed conscious', tend to use it to ask questions. We’re just curious is all.
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Speedy Cerviche Rep: 24 Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 10,850 OFFLINE | On the topic of me saying Evolution was proven...
Sorry i didnt mean to say that i was tired and had no idea what i was typing that night...
I just think that it is a much easier theory to believe than creationism thats all 
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El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | Don’t apologize, evolution is technically proven, it’s just the way the scientific community defines the word “proven”. It’s a common misconception.
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Speedy Cerviche Rep: 24Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 10,850 OFFLINE | Ok.
Its just that in no way shape or form do i believe that humans were created out of thin air and became the most powerfull race on the planet.
Just like that
*clicks fingers*
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Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 833 OFFLINE | its ok ps3kicks360. i wasnt pissed, i just disagreed with u.
ramunematt wrote:
Don’t apologize, evolution is technically proven, it’s just the way the scientific community defines the word “proven”. It’s a common misconception.
no, not even technically.
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Speedy Cerviche Rep: 24Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 10,850 OFFLINE | POW wrote:
its ok ps3kicks360. i wasnt pissed, i just disagreed with u.
ramunematt wrote:
Don’t apologize, evolution is technically proven, it’s just the way the scientific community defines the word “proven”. It’s a common misconception.
no, not even technically.
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| | | 15 Oct 2007 06:49 am |
El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | POW wrote:
its ok ps3kicks360. i wasnt pissed, i just disagreed with u.
ramunematt wrote:
Don’t apologize, evolution is technically proven, it’s just the way the scientific community defines the word “proven”. It’s a common misconception.
no, not even technically.
Sure it isn’t, and gravity isn’t either[/sarcasm]
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| | | 16 Oct 2007 12:16 am |
Regular Rep: 0Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 833 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
POW wrote:
its ok ps3kicks360. i wasnt pissed, i just disagreed with u.
ramunematt wrote:
Don’t apologize, evolution is technically proven, it’s just the way the scientific community defines the word “proven”. It’s a common misconception.
no, not even technically.
Sure it isn’t, and gravity isn’t either[/sarcasm]
google this:scientists that dont believe in evolution
and this:scientists that dont believe in gravity
now compare ur results. ull find that the first one has more relevant topics.
and i discovered something interesting:
ten reasons why creation scientists dont believe in evolution
u should check it out.
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El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | Well one thing I’d like to point out is the time frame. Evolution wasn’t proposed that long ago, and it’s fairly recent that we gathered the most convincing evidence that we have to support it. When gravity was first proposed most scientists didn’t believe in it, just like how it is according to that article you posted. Atheism is on the rise, especially in the scientific community.
And I checked out that link you gave. Pure, biased, creationism misconceptions and lies.
First reason: Probably the most popular misconception of evolution. There actually are transitional fossils. We have fossils that clearly illustrate evolutionary transition. One example of transitional fossil we have is the evolution of the horse.
Second reason: Another misconception. The statement they made that mutation and natural selection won’t produce evolution is completely false. They fail to understand that even though the changes in genetic material are small every time a mutation along with natural selection happens, it takes millions of years to see a big physical change. Another misconception that they made in this same reason is that natural selection contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. If you google “misconceptions of evolution” you will find a scientific and rational explanation for this misonception.
Third reason: Basically what they explained is irreducible complexity. Just a fancy way of saying “this is too complex for evolution to have made it”. It’s just more creationist ignorance.
Fourth reason: Just more ignorance. They completely denied the scientific evidence.
Fifth ans Sixth reason: They were completely wrong in this. They claimed that the hominids were either fully human or fully ape. The fossils we founf show both human and ape traits and show it to be both part humand and part ape.
Seventh reason: Again, more ignorance and lack of understanding of what evolution really is. If you know about the moral zeitgeist, then you know why this reason is false.
Eighth Reason: The so called “logical inconsistencies” are again more ignorance, lies, dogmatism, and misunderstandings
A)They claim creationism is a better explanation than evolution yet they have no evidence to support creationism
 Again, they use irreducible complexity as their “reason”
C) What they said here is just completely idiotic. If you think we would all be murderers just because we came from the same ancestor, then you are legally retarded
D) Again, they’re being idiotic. They’re trying to pit the time span of a single life against a process that takes millions of years
E) Again, they’re wrong. They are forgetting that reproduction is one of the most important things next to survival. Dawkin’s book “The God Delusion” fully explain in a satisfactory explanation why we have love, friendship, and other similar emotions
F) You can tell they know nothing about evolution because they said it happens by chance. Evolution is anything but chance
Ninth reason: They think a worldly flood would be a better explanation of the rock strata finds but in reality, it is a much worse explanation. Here is a link that not only explains why the great flood doesn’t explain the strata layers, but what we should have found if a world wide flood really did take place
Tenth Reason: They’re just being hypocritical in this one. They says there is biased for evolution yet they’re being biased against it because they’re creationist. Evolution = science, Creationism = dogma. Obviously dogma is bound to be more biased.
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Regular Rep: 0Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 833 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Well one thing I’d like to point out is the time frame. Evolution wasn’t proposed that long ago, and it’s fairly recent that we gathered the most convincing evidence that we have to support it. When gravity was first proposed most scientists didn’t believe in it, just like how it is according to that article you posted. Atheism is on the rise, especially in the scientific community.
And I checked out that link you gave. Pure, biased, creationism misconceptions and lies.
First reason: Probably the most popular misconception of evolution. There actually are transitional fossils. We have fossils that clearly illustrate evolutionary transition. One example of transitional fossil we have is the evolution of the horse.
Second reason: Another misconception. The statement they made that mutation and natural selection won’t produce evolution is completely false. They fail to understand that even though the changes in genetic material are small every time a mutation along with natural selection happens, it takes millions of years to see a big physical change. Another misconception that they made in this same reason is that natural selection contradicts the second law of thermodynamics. If you google “misconceptions of evolution” you will find a scientific and rational explanation for this misonception.
Third reason: Basically what they explained is irreducible complexity. Just a fancy way of saying “this is too complex for evolution to have made it”. It’s just more creationist ignorance.
Fourth reason: Just more ignorance. They completely denied the scientific evidence.
Fifth ans Sixth reason: They were completely wrong in this. They claimed that the hominids were either fully human or fully ape. The fossils we founf show both human and ape traits and show it to be both part humand and part ape.
Seventh reason: Again, more ignorance and lack of understanding of what evolution really is. If you know about the moral zeitgeist, then you know why this reason is false.
Eighth Reason: The so called “logical inconsistencies” are again more ignorance, lies, dogmatism, and misunderstandings
A)They claim creationism is a better explanation than evolution yet they have no evidence to support creationism
Again, they use irreducible complexity as their “reason”
C) What they said here is just completely idiotic. If you think we would all be murderers just because we came from the same ancestor, then you are legally retarded
D) Again, they’re being idiotic. They’re trying to pit the time span of a single life against a process that takes millions of years
E) Again, they’re wrong. They are forgetting that reproduction is one of the most important things next to survival. Dawkin’s book “The God Delusion” fully explain in a satisfactory explanation why we have love, friendship, and other similar emotions
F) You can tell they know nothing about evolution because they said it happens by chance. Evolution is anything but chance
Ninth reason: They think a worldly flood would be a better explanation of the rock strata finds but in reality, it is a much worse explanation. Here is a link that not only explains why the great flood doesn’t explain the strata layers, but what we should have found if a world wide flood really did take place
Tenth Reason: They’re just being hypocritical in this one. They says there is biased for evolution yet they’re being biased against it because they’re creationist. Evolution = science, Creationism = dogma. Obviously dogma is bound to be more biased.
id also like to point out the time in which the theory of evolution and gravity were made. today we have more scientists and more advanced technology compared to newtons time. not sure how long until gravity was widely accepted, but its now more than 100 hundred years since charles darwins origin of species was publised.
1sure u have fossils of horse like animals that seem to transition to horses. but what about rodent like(or whatever evolutionist think horses evolved from) transition into horses?
or, what the paragraph said, fossils linking “plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds and mammals”? exactly how many transitional fossils do we have? do u know? compared that to the number of species that ever existed in the world.
2of course what u said was all theory no evidence(besides the thermodynamics part, thats still pending, havent checked it yet).
3well i think they have a very good point. u must be feeling high and mighty to call these scientists ignorant. doubt u can say it to their faces.
4&7u know its real easy to accuse someone of being ignorant. as much as pssible i refrain from accusing anyone of being ignorant because really it wont do any good, whether im right or wrong.
5&6 um no, thas not what they claimed. hmmm should i take ur word or the experts?
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a)how can we provide evidence for creation? the only evidence i can think of is the lack of evidence on evolutions part. and that the fossil record suggest that species appeard suddenly not gradually like evolution would have it.
b)whats wrong with that?
c)the paragraph didnt say “we would all be murderers just because we came from the same ancestor”. it said that if we killed someone were related to then we would be murderes. but i dont like this reason myself. is not so relevant.
d)we havent witnessed millions of years and i doubt we will. i hate it when evolutionists rely on this reason. it just means they cant provide evidence.
e)dawkins book explains it? interesting, please tell me his explainations.
9)checked ur link, its a response to the creationists idea. remember what a creationist is? they take the genesis literaly. they believe that the world was created in 6 24 hour days. im not a creationist, and i doubt these scientists are too(if they were the topic should say “Ten reasons why creationist scientists don’t believe in evolution).
10)well, the paragraph says that it is the evolutionists who admitted their bias. theyre not creationists.
before we forget, remember how we got into this? evolution has not been proven.
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 30 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 7,570 OFFLINE | Evolutions has been proved???
LOL
Introduction
The Scientific Collapse of Materialism
Materialism can no longer claim to be a scientific philosophy.
Arthur Koestler, the renowned Social Philosopher 1
How did the endless universe we live in come into being?
How did the equilibrium, harmony, and order of this universe develop?
How is it that this Earth is such a fit and sheltering place for us to live in?
Questions such as these have attracted attention since the dawn of the human race. The conclusion reached by scientists and philosophers searching for answers with their intellects and common sense is that the design and order of this universe are evidence of the existence of a supreme Creator ruling over the whole universe.
This is an indisputable truth that we may reach by using our intelligence. Allah declares this reality in His holy book, the Qur’an, which He inspired as a guide for humanity fourteen centuries ago. He states that He has created the universe when it was not, for a particular purpose, and with all its systems and balances specifically designed for human life.
Allah invites people to consider this truth in the following verse:
Are you stronger in structure or is heaven? He built it. He raised its vault high and made it level. He darkened its night and brought forth its morning light. After that He smoothed out the earth… (Surat an Naziat: 27-30)
Elsewhere it is declared in the Qur’an that a person should see and consider all the systems and balances in the universe that have been created for him by Allah and derive a lesson from his observations:
He has made night and day subservient to you, and the sun and moon and stars, all subject to His command. There is certainly Signs in that for people who pay heed. (Surat an-Nahl: 12)
In yet another verse of the Qur’an, it is pointed out:
He makes night merge into day and day merge into night, and He has made the sun and moon subservient, each one running until a specified time. That is Allah, your Lord. The Kingdom is His. Those you call on besides Him have no power over even the smallest speck.(Surah Fatir: 13)
This plain truth declared by the Qur’an is also confirmed by a number of the important founders of the modern science of astronomy. Galileo, Kepler, and Newton all recognised that the structure of universe, the design of the solar system, the laws of physics and their states of equilibrium were all created by Allah and they arrived at that conclusion as a result of their own research and observations.
Materialism: A 19th-Century Fallacy
The reality of the creation of which we speak has been ignored or denied since the earliest times by a particular philosophical point of view. It is called “materialism”. This philosophy, which was originally formulated among the ancient Greeks, has also made an appearance from time to time in other cultures and has been advanced by individuals as well. It holds that matter alone exists and that it has done so for an infinity of time. From these tenets, it claims that the universe has also “always” existed and was not created.
In addition to their claim that the universe exists in an infinity of time, materialists also assert that there is no purpose or aim in the universe. They claim that all the equilibrium, harmony and order that we see around us are merely the product of coincidence. This “coincidence assertion” is also put forward when the question of how human beings came into being comes up. The theory of evolution, widely referred to as Darwinism, is another application of materialism to the natural world.
We just mentioned that some of the founders of modern science were faithful people who were in agreement that the universe was created and organised by Allah. In the 19th century, an important change took place in the attitudes of the scientific world with respect to this matter. Materialism was deliberately introduced to the agenda of modern science by various groups. Because the 19th century’s political and social conditions formed a good basis for materialism, the philosophy gained wide acceptance and spread throughout the scientific world.
The findings of modern science however undeniably demonstrate how false the claims of materialism really are.
The Findings of 20th-Century Science
Let us recall the two assertions of materialism about the universe:
The universe exists in infinite time and, because it has no beginning or end, it was not created.
Everything in this universe is merely the result of chance and not the product of any intentional design, plan, or vision.
Those two notions were boldly advanced and ardently defended by 19th-century materialists, who of course had no recourse other than to depend upon the limited and unsophisticated scientific knowledge of their day. Both have been utterly refuted by the discoveries of 20th-century science.
Modern science proves the reality of the creation of the universe by Allah, contrary to what outdated materialist philosophy maintains. Newsweek made “Science Finds God” the cover story of its July 27th 1998 issue.
The first to be laid in the grave was the notion of the universe existing in infinite time. Since the 1920s, there has been mounting evidence this cannot be true. Scientists are now certain that the universe came into being from nothingness as the result of an unimaginably huge explosion, known as the “Big Bang”. In other words, the universe came into being-or rather, it was created by Allah.
The 20th century has also witnessed the demolition of the second claim of materialism: that everything in the universe is the result of chance and not design. Research conducted since the 1960s consistently demonstrates that all the physical equilibriums of the universe in general and of our world in particularly are intricately designed to make life possible. As this research deepened, it was discovered each and every one of the laws of physics, chemistry, and biology, of the fundamental forces such as gravity and electromagnetism, and of the details of the structure of atoms and the elements of the universe has been precisely tailored so that human beings may live. Scientists today call this extraordinary design the “anthropic principle”. This is the principle that every detail in the universe has been carefully arranged to make human life possible.
To sum up, the philosophy called materialism has been utterly refuted by modern science. From its position as the dominant scientific view of the 19th century, materialism collapsed into fiction in the 20th.
How could it have been otherwise? As Allah indicates “We did not create heaven and earth and everything between them to no purpose. That is the opinion of those who are disbelievers." (Surah Sad: 27) it is wrong to suppose that the universe was created in vain. A philosophy so utterly flawed as materialism and systems based on it were doomed to failure from the very beginning.
Creation is a fact. In this book we will be examining the evidence for this fact. We will see how materialism has collapsed in the face of modern science and also witness how wonderfully and perfectly the universe has been designed and created by Allah.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 11 Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,523 OFFLINE | I still can not fathom how anyone, ANYONE, could be so fucking ignorant and blinded by faith, as to believe in creationism.
Creationists make me want to HxC dance whilst wearing Golf Spikes in a darkened room filled with babies. That’s how much they disgust me.
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The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 30Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 7,570 OFFLINE | I still can not fathom how anyone, ANYONE, could be so fucking ignorant and blinded by faith, as to believe in creationism.
Creationists make me want to HxC dance whilst wearing Golf Spikes in a darkened room filled with babies. That’s how much they disgust me.
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UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 11Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 1,523 OFFLINE | It’s not a matter of faith, you mindless fool.
Evolution is not a faith, it’s science. Science is about cold, hard facts, not belief.
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