Gasparin wrote:
Jesus exist, there are concrete prove of his existence, you don´t have to get mad or swear, we can debate our points, i am not trying to convince you of nothing. My coments were made on evolution as a theory, and i just give my point of view
there are writings in diferents languages, the emperor constantine, the burning of Rome, etc, was cause in persucution of Cristians, was is not exact is the actual dates of his Birth and dead of jesus, but he and his teachings exist, his testimony are writing in evangelions (gospel), more than the four that the Catholic church considere in the bible, in many languages.
And, people have a choice to believe in God or not. Fair enough. That, is a matter of faith. What you don’t have the right to do, is shove it down my throat.
You do the same Calling bullshit of what other believe, like your signature said you want to be right. i just explain evolution as it is.
This is part 1 of a video series that refutes the “evidence” of Jesus outside of biblical sources. And in my sig there is a link to Zeitgeist The Movie. Part 1 of that movie is about Jesus, and shows that he is purely astrological.
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adding comments is disabled for that video. thats a shame. i was about to ask him who he was? a historian?
So, since there isn’t 100% proof for evolution...“poof and all species came into existance”, which has nothing backing it, makes more sense. lol
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Evolution not science but dogma or philosophy for me...
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Jesus did exist, yes, but am I to believe he was the son of God? There’s only unprovable stories that say he is, so as far as I’m concerned, belief in him being the son of God is very much a matter of faith.
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Jesus=Prophet Isa as.
He said this in bible:
Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachtani...
God God Please dont leave me...
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And, people have a choice to believe in God or not. Fair enough. That, is a matter of faith. What you don’t have the right to do, is shove it down my throat.
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Oh yes you’re right... people have their own way...
but creatiosnm is the right sciences... EVER...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
Evolution is not dogma or philosphy, it is science which has mountains of evidence to back it up and has transitional fossils that have proven it over, and over, and over again. Creationism is not science, it has nothing to back it up outside of biblical references. Same with Jesus. There is no evidence to back him up, or even any respectable records of him. Sure, Christians say the Romans have records of him. But don’t you think it’s a bit suspicious that the Romans, who were notorious for their records, don’t even mention the name Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth? Don’t you also find it suspicious that Jesus wasn’t the only “messiah” at the time and that he shared the same characteristics as other myths all about sons of gods that even predated him? There is no hard evidence for any of it, and no matter how much faith you have in Jesus or god or whatever, it doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you’ve heard the stories, it doesn’t make it true.
Evolution is not dogma or philosphy, it is science which has mountains of evidence to back it up and has transitional fossils that have proven it over, and over, and over again. Creationism is not science, it has nothing to back it up outside of biblical references. Same with Jesus. There is no evidence to back him up, or even any respectable records of him. Sure, Christians say the Romans have records of him. But don’t you think it’s a bit suspicious that the Romans, who were notorious for their records, don’t even mention the name Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth? Don’t you also find it suspicious that Jesus wasn’t the only “messiah” at the time and that he shared the same characteristics as other myths all about sons of gods that even predated him? There is no hard evidence for any of it, and no matter how much faith you have in Jesus or god or whatever, it doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you’ve heard the stories, it doesn’t make it true.
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Jesus not god or should I say Judas... I dont get very clearly about christian but one thing for sure is... Prophet Isa was flying to heaven before the incident of crossed... I dont know how to spell it but... Judas was his replacement coz he sell Prophet Isa for just a few dinnar...
Al Qur’an has science and rules and have a lot of informations about everything... the origin of spiecies and others...
Well the story in Qur’an never had a distortsion or what ever... So I believe everything what Qur’an said and Qur’an never changes even people try to changes it...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
Prophet Isa... interesting, I’ll have to research him.
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Hehehehe... You may go ... Prophet Isa Al Masih... Or the christian say about him is Jesus...
Gasparin wrote:
Jesus exist, there are concrete prove of his existence, you don´t have to get mad or swear, we can debate our points, i am not trying to convince you of nothing. My coments were made on evolution as a theory, and i just give my point of view
there are writings in diferents languages, the emperor constantine, the burning of Rome, etc, was cause in persucution of Cristians, was is not exact is the actual dates of his Birth and dead of jesus, but he and his teachings exist, his testimony are writing in evangelions (gospel), more than the four that the Catholic church considere in the bible, in many languages.
And, people have a choice to believe in God or not. Fair enough. That, is a matter of faith. What you don’t have the right to do, is shove it down my throat.
You do the same Calling bullshit of what other believe, like your signature said you want to be right. i just explain evolution as it is.
Sorry for the misunderstanding; the bulk of that post wasn’t aimed at you.
Jesus did exist, yes, but am I to believe he was the son of God? There’s only unprovable stories that say he is, so as far as I’m concerned, belief in him being the son of God is very much a matter of faith.
My sig just reflects how much of a cock I am, haha.
First to make things clear i am not trying to win, or convert, or comden anybody, just we are debating our points of view.
The divinity of Jesus is questionable, and the concrete prove historically talking that he exist is thin but exist like Tacitus Roman scripts talking about Pilates and christ. and the recent discover Gospel of Thomas when it put Judas as the best disciple of Jesus, not the traitor.
I also have the question myself, there is a posibility that Jesus was a normal human but the first people in the following centuries that wroted about him could have make him Godly, and able to make miracles.
Then the point is again question of faith.
Personally i readed the Gospels and for me there is no better message than love God and love the others like yourself, few other religions resume better like the gospel say here, to my knowledge.
There is the posibility that the church could have destroy or keep the proof of what Jesus really did and is, but there is the posibility that a man with great knowledge talk all that Jesus teach in the Gospels, except the miracles, again is about faith.
First to make things clear i am not trying to win, or convert, or comden anybody, just we are debating our points of view.
The divinity of Jesus is questionable, and the concrete prove historically talking that he exist is thin but exist like Tacitus Roman scripts talking about Pilates and christ. and the recent discover Gospel of Thomas when it put Judas as the best disciple of Jesus, not the traitor.
I also have the question myself, there is a posibility that Jesus was a normal human but the first people in the following centuries that wroted about him could have make him Godly, and able to make miracles.
Then the point is again question of faith.
Personally i readed the Gospels and for me there is no better message than love God and love the others like yourself, few other religions resume better like the gospel say here, to my knowledge.
There is the posibility that the church could have destroy or keep the proof of what Jesus really did and is, but there is the posibility that a man with great knowledge talk all that Jesus teach in the Gospels, except the miracles, again is about faith.
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About God or whatever yes that is faith... If Jesus died then there should be his grave... but until now we found nothing...
Jesus not die he went to heaven coz the roman empire want to kill him by the traitor of Judas... (Qur’an never said about Judas but Qur’an said Prophet Isa which you Jesus has the replacement for the crossed so Prophet Isa didn’t die but he go up to heaven).
I dont know about church but I just read bible a little and not much... I’m still studying Qur’an and Bible...
Oh his miracles, like raising the dead and cure disease that is the truth all truth... nothing for his miracles were lies...
That not just faith but the REALITY...
Have you all see snake or scorpions come out from someone mouth???
Is this reality or just fiction...???
In my country those things are reality...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
ramunematt wrote:
Evolution is not dogma or philosphy, it is science which has mountains of evidence to back it up and has transitional fossils that have proven it over, and over, and over again. Creationism is not science, it has nothing to back it up outside of biblical references. Same with Jesus. There is no evidence to back him up, or even any respectable records of him. Sure, Christians say the Romans have records of him. But don’t you think it’s a bit suspicious that the Romans, who were notorious for their records, don’t even mention the name Jesus Christ or Jesus of Nazareth? Don’t you also find it suspicious that Jesus wasn’t the only “messiah” at the time and that he shared the same characteristics as other myths all about sons of gods that even predated him? There is no hard evidence for any of it, and no matter how much faith you have in Jesus or god or whatever, it doesn’t make it true. No matter how much you’ve heard the stories, it doesn’t make it true.
Is suspicious, but there is some writing about Jesus, probably the first Cristians carrying the true about Jesus, also when the first Cristians start to preach about him Rome wanted to destroy them, and there is the prove that Neron was one of the most fierce slayer of Christian, even burn Rome to Blame the Cristian(or the Cristian 40 years after christ really burn Rome because the apocalyst have comparison with Rom and the monster of seven heads with seven mountains around Rome, the burn was about 5 days) and Nero try to eliminate them once for all, is posible that Rome destroy every evidence or record that Jesus exist, every time they got writings about Jesus, but what survive was the oral histories about him, until Cristianity was accepted in Rome, all that time only the allready known Gospels survive alone with others, and here is the point of discusion, does the church here change the life of Jesus from a normal human to the son of God? or they really just put together the gospels and Jesus really was the Mesiah? because even musulmans knew about Jesus, Jews, they akcnowlege him, so is down to what people believe and faith.
Evolution is probably the right answer that how creation could be explain. i am not saying i am rigth, just give my opinion about this.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
First to make things clear i am not trying to win, or convert, or comden anybody, just we are debating our points of view.
The divinity of Jesus is questionable, and the concrete prove historically talking that he exist is thin but exist like Tacitus Roman scripts talking about Pilates and christ. and the recent discover Gospel of Thomas when it put Judas as the best disciple of Jesus, not the traitor.
I also have the question myself, there is a posibility that Jesus was a normal human but the first people in the following centuries that wroted about him could have make him Godly, and able to make miracles.
Then the point is again question of faith.
Personally i readed the Gospels and for me there is no better message than love God and love the others like yourself, few other religions resume better like the gospel say here, to my knowledge.
There is the posibility that the church could have destroy or keep the proof of what Jesus really did and is, but there is the posibility that a man with great knowledge talk all that Jesus teach in the Gospels, except the miracles, again is about faith.
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About God or whatever yes that is faith... If Jesus died then there should be his grave... but until now we found nothing...
Jesus not die he went to heaven coz the roman empire want to kill him by the traitor of Judas... (Qur’an never said about Judas but Qur’an said Prophet Isa which you Jesus has the replacement for the crossed so Prophet Isa didn’t die but he go up to heaven).
I dont know about church but I just read bible a little and not much... I’m still studying Qur’an and Bible...
Oh his miracles, like raising the dead and cure disease that is the truth all truth... nothing for his miracles were lies...
That not just faith but the REALITY...
Have you all see snake or scorpions come out from someone mouth???
Is this reality or just fiction...???
In my country those things are reality...
My faith is that he exist, Jesus was real for me.
I know musulmans know and have writings about Jesus.
You’re fucking kidding me, right? His miracles were real, it’s fact?
Dude, I hate to break it to you, but the bible is an interesting collection of stories. Nothing more. Written by a dozen or more people over the course of 600 years.
In no way can you interpret anything in that book as fact.
Is suspicious, but there is some writing about Jesus, probably the first Cristians carrying the true about Jesus, also when the first Cristians start to preach about him Rome wanted to destroy them, and there is the prove that Neron was one of the most fierce slayer of Christian, even burn Rome to Blame the Cristian(or the Cristian 40 years after christ really burn Rome because the apocalyst have comparison with Rom and the monster of seven heads with seven mountains around Rome, the burn was about 5 days) and Nero try to eliminate them once for all, is posible that Rome destroy every evidence or record that Jesus exist, every time they got writings about Jesus, but what survive was the oral histories about him, until Cristianity was accepted in Rome, all that time only the allready known Gospels survive alone with others, and here is the point of discusion, does the church here change the life of Jesus from a normal human to the son of God? or they really just put together the gospels and Jesus really was the Mesiah? because even musulmans knew about Jesus, Jews, they akcnowlege him, so is down to what people believe and faith.
Evolution is probably the right answer that how creation could be explain. i am not saying i am rigth, just give my opinion about this.
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If you talking about mutations that is yes but people do not mutate without interferences... like cells or virus or let say mices...
Nero was the cruel roman emperor... yes I read a lot of him he slay christian by killing them... the chirstian at that time has more faith than the recent christians...
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
You’re fucking kidding me, right? His miracles were real, it’s fact?
Dude, I hate to break it to you, but the bible is an interesting collection of stories. Nothing more. Written by a dozen or more people over the course of 600 years.
In no way can you interpret anything in that book as fact.
Guidelines for life; sure. Fact; no.
Hohoho... It seems that you never see those snakes comes out from someone mouth???
That is fact... well do you think Qur’an dont have fact about sciences??? to someone that live at desert and isolated places???
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“Great new ideas usually come from very small teams... don’t give up so easily." — John Kaster —
My faith is that he exist, Jesus was real for me.
I know musulmans know and have writings about Jesus.
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Yes we are know about him very well...
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