| 26 Dec 2007 06:33 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46  Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Well from your link here’s a few things I’ve found:
The Miracle of Creation Through DNA
Synopsis: The progress of science makes it clear that living beings have an extremely complex structure and an order too perfect to have come into being by coincidence. This is evidence to the fact that living beings are created by an All-Powerful Creator with superior knowledge.
That is not a fact, yet an assumption. What’s really funny though is that we do understand DNA, enough to the point where we can even identify people through it. Not to mention we understand most things about all creatures, as science progresses the coplexity dwindles. So this assumption doesn’t even have a good backing
So really that was the only thing I saw about creation, that was supposed to be supporting fact. But that’s not a fact, just a badly drawn assumption.
Ah my second favorite Creationist argument, right behind the argument from ignorance. The argument he just used is called irreducible complexity. Basically it’s saying, “this is so complicated that the only way it could have possible came to be is by an intelligent creator”. It’s used by people who don’t realize that complex things can only come into existence later in time (that includes god himself) and that it doesn’t have to be made instantly. And yeah, it’s just an assumption.
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| 26 Dec 2007 06:44 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
I dont see evolution has fact... there is always missing link...
Yes, there are always missing links in evolution. That’s because it takes millions of years to happen. When we find a skeleton of what seems to be one animal evolving into another, that is only one link discovered out of hundreds of millions that have yet to be discovered. However, just because we probably won’t find EVERY missing link, doesn’t mean in any way that it can’t be proven. As Richard Dawkins has stated, wanted every single missing link would be like asking for every single thought that someone has taken before committing a murder. You don’t know all the thoughts that have went through their mind or every step they have taken, but we don’t need all of that in order to prove he was guilty. Just as we don’t need every single missing link to prove evolution, we live in an age where we know enough about evolution that missing links are no longer needed.
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fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 27 Dec 2007 02:35 am |
The Mangekyou Sharingan Rep: 44 Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 9,400 OFFLINE | Still evolution is not science but just theory or dogma for me...
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| 27 Dec 2007 09:07 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 50  Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,868 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
I dont see evolution has fact... there is always missing link...
Yes, there are always missing links in evolution. That’s because it takes millions of years to happen. When we find a skeleton of what seems to be one animal evolving into another, that is only one link discovered out of hundreds of millions that have yet to be discovered. However, just because we probably won’t find EVERY missing link, doesn’t mean in any way that it can’t be proven. As Richard Dawkins has stated, wanted every single missing link would be like asking for every single thought that someone has taken before committing a murder. You don’t know all the thoughts that have went through their mind or every step they have taken, but we don’t need all of that in order to prove he was guilty. Just as we don’t need every single missing link to prove evolution, we live in an age where we know enough about evolution that missing links are no longer needed.
Missing links... I could find a fossil every second for the rest of my life and I still would fill in all the 'missing links'.
The expectation of finding ever animal from every species is a impossible task that christians love to try and get us to do.
The fact is we have thousands of transsinal fossils.. and for sciences (and me) thousands is enough not hundreds of billions.
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| 27 Dec 2007 09:09 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 50Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,868 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Still evolution is not science but just theory or dogma for me...
Science for me, truth for me. wtf is up with people saying stupid shit like this all the time. Science is science... its doesnt change 'for you' all it does it explain the natural world. And it has done a pretty dam good job of that, much better then any book written a few thousand years ago by primitive men.
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:27 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Itachi Uchiha wrote:
Still evolution is not science but just theory or dogma for me...
Theory is science. Do you even know what a theory is? And with evolution being a theory, it’s impossible for it to be a dogma.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:35 pm |
hahahahaha Rep: 26 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,939 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Well from your link here’s a few things I’ve found:
The Miracle of Creation Through DNA
Synopsis: The progress of science makes it clear that living beings have an extremely complex structure and an order too perfect to have come into being by coincidence. This is evidence to the fact that living beings are created by an All-Powerful Creator with superior knowledge.
That is not a fact, yet an assumption. What’s really funny though is that we do understand DNA, enough to the point where we can even identify people through it. Not to mention we understand most things about all creatures, as science progresses the coplexity dwindles. So this assumption doesn’t even have a good backing
So really that was the only thing I saw about creation, that was supposed to be supporting fact. But that’s not a fact, just a badly drawn assumption.
just a comment, we really don’t understand DNA that much. we can identify by it by simply matching it up. we are still in the baby steps of cloning, which is just a simple copying of DNA. we know the basics of DNA, but thats about it. and, being complex =/= us not understanding it. if you think DNA is simple, i REALLY worry about you.
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:42 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37 Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,469 OFFLINE | PS3KICKS360 wrote:
dark raider wrote:
evolution dosent exist
The sheer ignorance of christianity...
It has been scientifically proven to be true. I have never seen any proof of the Garden of Eden and of mankind started by two human beings who popped out of the ground... In fact if creationism is true... It means im related to you!!!
were has there been signs of evolution?
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 50Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,868 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
PS3KICKS360 wrote:
dark raider wrote:
evolution dosent exist
The sheer ignorance of christianity...
It has been scientifically proven to be true. I have never seen any proof of the Garden of Eden and of mankind started by two human beings who popped out of the ground... In fact if creationism is true... It means im related to you!!!
were has there been signs of evolution?
In biology, evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next.
Oh look at the bottom of my post for the meaning of theory, christains have been trying to change the meaning of theory and athiest over the last 50 years.
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 50Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,868 OFFLINE | So you see every single generation proves evolution.
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:45 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Well actually Kev, although DNA is very complex we know a lot more about it than you may think. DNA was first discovered in 1869, and we’ve come a long way from there. The fact that we understand it enough to copy it is amazing to me. If you look on Wikipedia you will see tons of info about DNA that you can’t even imagine it. Also, cloning isn’t exactly in it’s baby steps anymore. Sure the success rate of it is very small, but I find it hard to argue with the half human-half animals we’ve made through cloning and our understanding of DNA.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:49 pm |
Live like an angel, die like a devil Rep: 20 Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,759 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Well actually Kev, although DNA is very complex we know a lot more about it than you may think. DNA was first discovered in 1869, and we’ve come a long way from there. The fact that we understand it enough to copy it is amazing to me. If you look on Wikipedia you will see tons of info about DNA that you can’t even imagine it. Also, cloning isn’t exactly in it’s baby steps anymore. Sure the success rate of it is very small, but I find it hard to argue with the half human-half animals we’ve made through cloning and our understanding of DNA.
lol wut?
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:54 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,469 OFFLINE | Gplex wrote:
jomas the grunt wrote:
PS3KICKS360 wrote:
dark raider wrote:
evolution dosent exist
The sheer ignorance of christianity...
It has been scientifically proven to be true. I have never seen any proof of the Garden of Eden and of mankind started by two human beings who popped out of the ground... In fact if creationism is true... It means im related to you!!!
were has there been signs of evolution?
In biology, evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next.
Oh look at the bottom of my post for the meaning of theory, christains have been trying to change the meaning of theory and athiest over the last 50 years.
evolution says weve evolved from monkeys
so why are there still monkeys?
were did the monkeys come from
cells you say?
oh well were did those cells come from?
from the water that landed on earth
the super heated planet
were water would just evaporate before hitting the ground
so thats somewhat screwed
oh and were did earth come from?
oh the big bang u say oh, so why did gravity for some reason apear in some area and start pulling everything into a tiny sphere the size of a marble until it was so compact that it exploded
but were did all the stone come from
was it always there?
well it goes for “god couldnt have been always there”
but theres the same chance as that rock has been always there
so evolution is as much bull as christianity
but on a note of evolution
im pretty sure both could have gone together somewhat snuggly
like god creating the big bang and evolution was just apart of the fabric of life that god had created
so i believe evolution is possible
but i also believe in the fact that god was always there and evolution was a part of what he planned
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:56 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Well maybe half wasn’t the right term to use, but we’ve cloned animals with human traits. We’ve made pigs that have human blood run through their veins, animals that have organs that are widely human, and even mice with human brains. President Bush even addressed the animals-human hybrids... he’s against them of course.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:57 pm |
Live like an angel, die like a devil Rep: 20Joined: 01 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,759 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Well maybe half wasn’t the right term to use, but we’ve cloned animals with human traits. We’ve made pigs that have human blood run through their veins, animals that have organs that are widely human, and even mice with human brains. President Bush even addressed the animals-human hybrids... he’s against them of course.
Oh, I see. Well, I have heard about something like that, and seems that it has plenty of potential.
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| 27 Dec 2007 10:59 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,469 OFFLINE | ok mabye my other post wasnt clear
but what i meant was
i believe in evolution
but i believe that god created evolution
and that evolutionism and christianity are both somewhat together
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| 27 Dec 2007 11:04 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 50Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,868 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
ok mabye my other post wasnt clear
but what i meant was
i believe in evolution
but i believe that god created evolution
and that evolutionism and christianity are both somewhat together
Thats not what your bible says.. 3 billion years to evolove compared to 6 days...
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| 27 Dec 2007 11:13 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | jomas the grunt wrote:
Gplex wrote:
jomas the grunt wrote:
PS3KICKS360 wrote:
dark raider wrote:
evolution dosent exist
The sheer ignorance of christianity...
It has been scientifically proven to be true. I have never seen any proof of the Garden of Eden and of mankind started by two human beings who popped out of the ground... In fact if creationism is true... It means im related to you!!!
were has there been signs of evolution?
In biology, evolution is a change in the inherited traits of a population from one generation to the next.
Oh look at the bottom of my post for the meaning of theory, christains have been trying to change the meaning of theory and athiest over the last 50 years.
evolution says weve evolved from monkeys
so why are there still monkeys?
were did the monkeys come from
cells you say?
oh well were did those cells come from?
from the water that landed on earth
the super heated planet
were water would just evaporate before hitting the ground
so thats somewhat screwed
oh and were did earth come from?
oh the big bang u say oh, so why did gravity for some reason apear in some area and start pulling everything into a tiny sphere the size of a marble until it was so compact that it exploded
but were did all the stone come from
was it always there?
well it goes for “god couldnt have been always there”
but theres the same chance as that rock has been always there
so evolution is as much bull as christianity
but on a note of evolution
im pretty sure both could have gone together somewhat snuggly
like god creating the big bang and evolution was just apart of the fabric of life that god had created
so i believe evolution is possible
but i also believe in the fact that god was always there and evolution was a part of what he planned
The questions you asked about evolution can be easily answered by any evolutionist but since you can just look it up on Google I’m just going to explain the part you asked about where the big bang came from. You see at the center of every black hole is a gravitational field with infinite density and zero volume called a singularity. This is the actual start of the big bang. Everything came from a singularity. You might ask, “well where did the singularity come from?". Two parts to this answer. One, time did not exist before this singularity. According to Einstein, time was part of what came out. Second, singularities are known to bend the laws of physics. Yes, this may sound as unlikely as what Creationism says, but there is one huge difference; evidence, and proof. We know for a fact that singularities exist and that they bend the laws of physics, we have mathematically proven that a singularity can exist before time, and we have a hell of a lot physical evidence for the big bang that is pretty damn hard to refute.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 27 Dec 2007 11:16 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Well maybe half wasn’t the right term to use, but we’ve cloned animals with human traits. We’ve made pigs that have human blood run through their veins, animals that have organs that are widely human, and even mice with human brains. President Bush even addressed the animals-human hybrids... he’s against them of course.
Oh, I see. Well, I have heard about something like that, and seems that it has plenty of potential.
Well a lot of scientists have proposed that we make animals that are similar to humans, such as pigs, with complete human organs for medical purposes. The problem is that research is expensive and the success rate is only about 10%.
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the21gamer wrote:
fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 27 Dec 2007 11:16 pm |
why so grunty? Rep: 37Joined: 07 Aug 2007 Posts: 6,469 OFFLINE | but what created the substances to vrate the planets that were formed from the big bang
im not defying evolution now
im just saying that the chances of god always being around are the same as that rock/whatever
all views are bull
just living a good life is what counts
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