kev360 wrote:
matt, hate to break it to you, but science is a religion.
definition of religion:
“a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."
but, hey.
scientology....no...haha. scientology is just retarded. we can all agree on that one, right?
and, i agree with you on that, matt. buddhism is really interesting. i like it a lot.
gplex, try not to be that ignorant sounding. its really kinda sad. the same can be said about science, in many ways. science is the best possible explanation that we can get the most proof for. nothing less, nothing more. thats why its CONSTANTLY changing. hell, for all you know, one day science will prove God is real.
Science refers to a system of developing explanations for what we observe in the world around us based on the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of such knowledge gained through such research.
Doesnt sound like any religon around..
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
Just wondering, but where in evolutionary theory does it say that there isn’t any god?
And where in the bible does it say that everything in there actually should be taken as fact?
Why do I ask this? Because everything today is taken WAY TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY!!!!
Seriously, if I told you Im my own father and my mom was a virgin, would you believe me? No, you wouldnt. So, why do you believe it because its in an 18 century year old book?
On the flipside, evolution doesnt mean that god doesnt exist, and everyone who isnt like you is an ignorant fool.
ramunematt wrote:
Kev, you can’t just take part of one definition of a religion and ignore the rest because it doesn’t fit the way you want it. When you loo0k at other definitions of a religion, they usually mention fundamentalism, rituals, dogmas, and above all; God. Sure, with what you just bolded from the definition you just posted you can say that science and religion may share a few characteristics, but not enough so for science to be considered an actual religion.
dude, look at the three letters after what i bolded. they are esp, meaning especially, meaning not always, meaning the part that i bolded stands alone. its not as much in the traditional sense, but i thought we all knew that. the fact is, when you get down to it, science is an explanation about why we are here, which is exactly what religion is at its core. lets take all the definitions given, shall we?
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8.Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one’s vow.
i win.
Actually no you are trying to call 'beliefs' knowledge. You know that gravity will hold you down. You expect it. Sure you could mix belief in there somehow but the fact is you have seen it before.. Science explains the natural world through observation, religon is just something someone made up.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
ramunematt wrote:
Kev, you can’t just take part of one definition of a religion and ignore the rest because it doesn’t fit the way you want it. When you loo0k at other definitions of a religion, they usually mention fundamentalism, rituals, dogmas, and above all; God. Sure, with what you just bolded from the definition you just posted you can say that science and religion may share a few characteristics, but not enough so for science to be considered an actual religion.
dude, look at the three letters after what i bolded. they are esp, meaning especially, meaning not always, meaning the part that i bolded stands alone. its not as much in the traditional sense, but i thought we all knew that. the fact is, when you get down to it, science is an explanation about why we are here, which is exactly what religion is at its core. lets take all the definitions given, shall we?
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8.Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one’s vow.
i win.
Actually no you are trying to call 'beliefs' knowledge. You know that gravity will hold you down. You expect it. Sure you could mix belief in there somehow but the fact is you have seen it before.. Science explains the natural world through observation, religon is just something someone made up.
dude, i don’t know what your not getting here. religion is not something made up, its a set of beliefs. it comes down to the question, do you believe science? if yes, then it is, by definition, a religion. the meaning of words get distorted over time and it becomes hard to see what they really mean. this is a GREAT example. people associate religion with christianity (at least here), but in reality, religion is so much broader then that.
ramunematt wrote:
Kev, here is an article that goes in debt as to why science is not a religion, as well as why it wouldn’t matter even if it was a religion
“Examining the characteristics which define religions as distinct from other types of belief systems reveals how wrong such claims are."
that is where the article went wrong. bounce that off of the definition of religion. i’ve said it once and i’m sure i will say it again. SCIENCE IS NOT A RELIGION IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE. i’m not trying to discredit science in any way. i’m not trying to say its the same thing as christianity, or any other religion. i’m not trying to say that its not based on facts. i’m saying that it is a set of beliefs, and a set of beliefs is a religion. thus, by using the the transitive property, we know that science is a religion.
ramunematt wrote:
Kev, here is an article that goes in debt as to why science is not a religion, as well as why it wouldn’t matter even if it was a religion
“Examining the characteristics which define religions as distinct from other types of belief systems reveals how wrong such claims are."
that is where the article went wrong. bounce that off of the definition of religion. i’ve said it once and i’m sure i will say it again. SCIENCE IS NOT A RELIGION IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE. i’m not trying to discredit science in any way. i’m not trying to say its the same thing as christianity, or any other religion. i’m not trying to say that its not based on facts. i’m saying that it is a set of beliefs, and a set of beliefs is a religion. thus, by using the the transitive property, we know that science is a religion.
If you call science a religon then you have to call english, maths, computer programming and any other higher education system that is in place today.. Their is a big diffrence between beleving something and knowing something. To mix the too words would pretty much destroy the meaning of belief.
Belief - Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true without necessarily being able to adequately prove its main contention to other people who may or may not agree.
Knowledge - Familiarity, awareness, or understanding gained through experience or study.
Science is all about knowledge. Not beliefs.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
according to that article about two thirds of scientists believe in God. the survey was done in 2005.
funny thing is, its under “strange news” section. i guess most people didnt expect that.
also in the article “76 percent of doctors said they believed in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife”.
Ive seen this poll, it says that are you 100% sure that their is no god like beings, or something like that. Of course most people could not say 100%. This pole is deceiving, athiest are people who have a DISBELIEF IN GODS. Everyone is a athiest...
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
ramunematt wrote:
Kev, here is an article that goes in debt as to why science is not a religion, as well as why it wouldn’t matter even if it was a religion
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
POW wrote:
according to [url=http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/050811_scientists_god.html]this article[/url] no.
according to that article about two thirds of scientists believe in God. the survey was done in 2005.
funny thing is, its under “strange news” section. i guess most people didnt expect that.
also in the article “76 percent of doctors said they believed in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife”.
Ive seen this poll, it says that are you 100% sure that their is no god like beings, or something like that. Of course most people could not say 100%. This pole is deceiving, athiest are people who have a DISBELIEF IN GODS. Everyone is a athiest...
are 100% sure that they are the same poll?
should i even believe u? if i did then, according to u, that would be an unreasonable thing to do because u havent provided evidence.
according to that article about two thirds of scientists believe in God. the survey was done in 2005.
funny thing is, its under “strange news” section. i guess most people didnt expect that.
also in the article “76 percent of doctors said they believed in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife”.
Ive seen this poll, it says that are you 100% sure that their is no god like beings, or something like that. Of course most people could not say 100%. This pole is deceiving, athiest are people who have a DISBELIEF IN GODS. Everyone is a athiest...
are 100% sure that they are the same poll?
should i even believe u? if i did then, according to u, that would be an unreasonable thing to do because u havent provided evidence.
No Im not 100% sure, when I looked it range from 35% to 96% so Im not sure, but I know when somethiest go and do these they word it so that most scientist can not say yes.
According to Newsweek in 1987, “By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms about 0.14%. However, the American public thinks very differently.
These 700 can not provide evidence, they just have faith... Does this mean they are all athiest?
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
POW wrote:
according to [url=http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/050811_scientists_god.html]this article[/url] no.
according to that article about two thirds of scientists believe in God. the survey was done in 2005.
funny thing is, its under “strange news” section. i guess most people didnt expect that.
also in the article “76 percent of doctors said they believed in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife”.
Ive seen this poll, it says that are you 100% sure that their is no god like beings, or something like that. Of course most people could not say 100%. This pole is deceiving, athiest are people who have a DISBELIEF IN GODS. Everyone is a athiest...
are 100% sure that they are the same poll?
should i even believe u? if i did then, according to u, that would be an unreasonable thing to do because u havent provided evidence.
No Im not 100% sure, when I looked it range from 35% to 96% so Im not sure, but I know when somethiest go and do these they word it so that most scientist can not say yes.
According to Newsweek in 1987, “By one count there are some 700 scientists with respectable academic credentials (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) who give credence to creation-science..." That would make the support for creation science among those branches of science who deal with the earth and its life forms about 0.14%. However, the American public thinks very differently.
These 700 can not provide evidence, they just have faith... Does this mean they are all athiest?
good. no link to a credible source, from a news article made twenty years ago, only earth and life scientists, but still believable, better than nothing.
Itachi Uchiha wrote:
I’m pretty sure universe will collapses but *plex said that universe is forever... which is known to be wrong...
Really, and how is it “known” to be wrong, the only thing that can be 100% sure is through maths, and no one has calculated the big crunch.
--- Theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena.
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