#21 18 Oct 2007 05:54 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29  Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,874 OFFLINE | derdev789 wrote:
POST FUCKING SCAN’S FROM THE DRAGON BALL MANGA. Got it? I don’t give a shit about the other Goku Vs. Superman topic. Guess what? THIS IS A DIFFERENT TOPIC! It has different rules, so play nice or I’ll get Bjarne to lock you from the thread.
Different rules have nothing to do with the different results. As I said, crossover beats logic.
Unless there is an official one, it cannot be proven in anyway. So this so-called 'finisher' topic is nothing but an another bragging topic from you.
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 | #22 18 Oct 2007 08:58 pm |
the greatest Rep: 21Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,788 OFFLINE | Pete da Beast wrote:
Tracks post that on the other thread so it can be countered... again.
Also, this tipic deserves locking, not to be rude, but nothing here will change. People will NOT listen to rules and won’t bother making themseleves “polite” for this thread’s sake. there is another Goku vs Superman thread. It has been up for two years and has THOUSANDS of posts.
Nothing in this thread will change.
Goku won already anyways.
..facts can’t be countered, the scans say what happened yo ucan’t counter what actually happened
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 | | #23 18 Oct 2007 10:05 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9 Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2,665 OFFLINE | Trackz wrote:
Pete da Beast wrote:
Tracks post that on the other thread so it can be countered... again.
Also, this tipic deserves locking, not to be rude, but nothing here will change. People will NOT listen to rules and won’t bother making themseleves “polite” for this thread’s sake. there is another Goku vs Superman thread. It has been up for two years and has THOUSANDS of posts.
Nothing in this thread will change.
Goku won already anyways.
..facts can’t be countered, the scans say what happened yo ucan’t counter what actually happened
You misunderstood.
They were countered by scans from the Goku side or by your false interpretation (exageration).
For example, Supes heat vision is hotter than any star, yet, when he fires this it couses no damage to the environment.
“HE EASILY REHEATED A PLANET”.
Where in the scan does it say it was effortless?
“he survived a 50 supernova blast”.
No he dind’t, he wasn’t inside the explosion.
^^ on that one I’m not sure but dind’t he even state that if he touched the radiation, he’s die?
Anyways, I’m notcoming back to this thread, if you want go and post them on the original thread, not here.
That way, Gplex, Tang, Kakarrot and myself can all debate on it, don’t post it here where only like 2 people debate it.
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  | | #24 19 Oct 2007 03:05 am |
King of MVC Rep: 26 Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,489 OFFLINE | LordMarluxia wrote:
lawl. More like you got mad after it has been proven your other topic in Homework Section was nothing but a bragging topic about your pathetic knowledge.
1. I don’t take my issues from one thread into another like you. I made this thread because for about a year me and my brother would debate in the Goku vs. Superman and it ended up a giant who can out fanboy who. I was trying to set up a place for constructive arguments instead of biased bashing between fan’s.
LordMarluxia wrote:
More like you just took a Physics Test and failed it and wants to make yourself feel better by making this topic.
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2. Actually I got 100% on my latest physics test and I can post a scan if you don’t believe me, but really that has nothing to do with this thread now does it? I made this thread so that I could chat for all the reasons stated above, you on the other hand are stalking me around this forum looking for a reason to harrass me. Who is the childish one here?
LordMarluxia wrote:
Hardly anyone, if not, no one is going to give some shit logic proof to prove who is stronger than the other.
3. The entire VS. Forum would like to dissagree with you on that one, since this forum was made specifically for the purpose of arguing using “shit logic to prove who is stronger than the other”. Take a look around, see what thread DOESN’T use crazy equations to show a charactor as stronger or weaker.
LordMarluxia wrote:
Crossovers usually beat logic, so equations cannot prove who is stronger.
4. Crossovers USUALLY do beat logic, but in this case there is no crossover than can be used, thus logic is the only way things can be proved. And what does logic lend itself too? Using the scientific method to come up with formula’s and equations to prove a point.
LordMarluxia wrote:
And your 'MY BROTHER IS A MOD' or whoever Bjarne is... That threat... Fails. Again. That is also a pathetic excuse to prevent people from proving this topic to be an another bragging topic, and a useless one, for that matter.
5. Yeah I was bragging about my brother being a mod, but I was more trying to prove to you that yes I am your senior on this site, and it is an unwritten rule here that you respect your seniors. If your a freshman in college it’s not a wise choice to go up to the biggest senior you can find and spit on his shoe, the same exists on this site. As for who Bjarne is, that would be the man who created this site, if you don’t know that then you really are a newb around here. Actually I was attempting to prevent the chaos that exists in the Goku vs. Superman thread from entering here. But honestly I don’t care if you continue to believe your dilusions. It’s your right to believe what you want.
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THE KING HAS RETURNED! | | #25 19 Oct 2007 05:15 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9 Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 1,343 OFFLINE | derdev789 wrote:
POST FUCKING SCAN’S FROM THE DRAGON BALL MANGA. Got it? I don’t give a shit about the other Goku Vs. Superman topic. Guess what? THIS IS A DIFFERENT TOPIC! It has different rules, so play nice or I’ll get Bjarne to lock you from the thread.
You put the title finisher of Goku vs superman, and then you say is not about the other Goku vs Superman, and you threat people now?, is true that power corrupts.
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 Last edited 19 Oct 2007 07:46 am by Kakarrot | | #26 19 Oct 2007 05:19 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 1,343 OFFLINE | Trackz wrote:
Pete da Beast wrote:
Tracks post that on the other thread so it can be countered... again.
Also, this tipic deserves locking, not to be rude, but nothing here will change. People will NOT listen to rules and won’t bother making themseleves “polite” for this thread’s sake. there is another Goku vs Superman thread. It has been up for two years and has THOUSANDS of posts.
Nothing in this thread will change.
Goku won already anyways.
..facts can’t be countered, the scans say what happened yo ucan’t counter what actually happened
Vegeta create a full moon of energy in the beggining of z, before all Freeza Saga, being only one history, The energy they produce desintegrate more durable things than a planet, like Freeza for example, Who even cut in half survive a explosion of a planet much bigger than Earth.
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Last edited 19 Oct 2007 07:13 am by Kakarrot | | #27 19 Oct 2007 05:23 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 1,343 OFFLINE | Yo Derved, you like to calculate: calculated this speed:
Kami look out another continent from Cell islands position.
Time: 0.0, instant as in the same moment.
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Last edited 19 Oct 2007 07:25 am by Kakarrot | | #28 19 Oct 2007 07:16 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 9Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 1,343 OFFLINE | LordMarluxia wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
POST FUCKING SCAN’S FROM THE DRAGON BALL MANGA. Got it? I don’t give a shit about the other Goku Vs. Superman topic. Guess what? THIS IS A DIFFERENT TOPIC! It has different rules, so play nice or I’ll get Bjarne to lock you from the thread.
Different rules have nothing to do with the different results. As I said, crossover beats logic.
Unless there is an official one, it cannot be proven in anyway. So this so-called 'finisher' topic is nothing but an another bragging topic from you.
There are some crossover that we can say the winner comparing their powers, but Goku vs Superman is the more discusse fight ever in internet, anyway i see your point, kind of agree with you.
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| | #29 19 Oct 2007 07:38 am |
The Dog-Mod! Rep: 54 Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18,884 |
Superman can suck my cock.
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  | | #30 19 Oct 2007 02:38 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 29Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,874 OFFLINE | derdev789 wrote:
1. I don’t take my issues from one thread into another like you. I made this thread because for about a year me and my brother would debate in the Goku vs. Superman and it ended up a giant who can out fanboy who. I was trying to set up a place for constructive arguments instead of biased bashing between fan’s.
There cannot be constructive arguments to start with if there is no official crossover between Superman VS Goku. And besides, stories contain tons of plot holes. Your so-called 'Speed' or 'Law of Physics' do not apply in fictional account. Fail.
derdev789 wrote:
2. Actually I got 100% on my latest physics test and I can post a scan if you don’t believe me, but really that has nothing to do with this thread now does it? I made this thread so that I could chat for all the reasons stated above, you on the other hand are stalking me around this forum looking for a reason to harrass me. Who is the childish one here?
Who said I was stalking you? I simply posted in this topic because you made a stupid and pointless topic like your last one. More like you are just whining about the fact that I am making rebuttals out of your posts.
derdev789 wrote:
3. The entire VS. Forum would like to dissagree with you on that one, since this forum was made specifically for the purpose of arguing using “shit logic to prove who is stronger than the other”. Take a look around, see what thread DOESN’T use crazy equations to show a charactor as stronger or weaker.
And I thought you made this topic to get rid of biased fanboys who use shit logic. So what’s the point if this topic is also going to be biased? See? Pointless topic.
derdev789 wrote:
4. Crossovers USUALLY do beat logic, but in this case there is no crossover than can be used, thus logic is the only way things can be proved. And what does logic lend itself too? Using the scientific method to come up with formula’s and equations to prove a point.
As I said, science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this. Can a person blast a planet into oblivion? Obviously not. It’s already proven the fictions are made to be not scientific and they are hardly logical. It cannot be proven by formulas and equations, so shut up.
derdev789 wrote:
5. Yeah I was bragging about my brother being a mod, but I was more trying to prove to you that yes I am your senior on this site, and it is an unwritten rule here that you respect your seniors. If your a freshman in college it’s not a wise choice to go up to the biggest senior you can find and spit on his shoe, the same exists on this site. As for who Bjarne is, that would be the man who created this site, if you don’t know that then you really are a newb around here. Actually I was attempting to prevent the chaos that exists in the Goku vs. Superman thread from entering here. But honestly I don’t care if you continue to believe your dilusions. It’s your right to believe what you want.
Do you think I actually care? The ranks hardly matter in discussions such as this. More like you are using that as an excuse to avoid further rebuttals from me. 'Attempting to prevent the chaos?' Don’t give me that crap. This is exactly same as that said topic. I told you, fictions contain plot holes, and they are completely irrelevant to formulas and science. You fail again. It seems to me that you are having a delusion, not me.
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Last edited 19 Oct 2007 02:39 pm by LordMarluxia | | #31 19 Oct 2007 04:55 pm |
the greatest Rep: 21Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,788 OFFLINE | Pete da Beast wrote:
Trackz wrote:
Pete da Beast wrote:
Tracks post that on the other thread so it can be countered... again.
Also, this tipic deserves locking, not to be rude, but nothing here will change. People will NOT listen to rules and won’t bother making themseleves “polite” for this thread’s sake. there is another Goku vs Superman thread. It has been up for two years and has THOUSANDS of posts.
Nothing in this thread will change.
Goku won already anyways.
..facts can’t be countered, the scans say what happened yo ucan’t counter what actually happened
You misunderstood.
They were countered by scans from the Goku side or by your false interpretation (exageration).
For example, Supes heat vision is hotter than any star, yet, when he fires this it couses no damage to the environment.
“HE EASILY REHEATED A PLANET”.
Where in the scan does it say it was effortless?
“he survived a 50 supernova blast”.
No he dind’t, he wasn’t inside the explosion.
^^ on that one I’m not sure but dind’t he even state that if he touched the radiation, he’s die?
Anyways, I’m notcoming back to this thread, if you want go and post them on the original thread, not here.
That way, Gplex, Tang, Kakarrot and myself can all debate on it, don’t post it here where only like 2 people debate it.
lok at his face scans before that you see him going in there no charge or anything, and the fact he was fine after means it wasn’t hard for him, when he’s having diffuculty you can see it, you could tell he was having difficulty moving the planet with his heat vision, and he was right next to the core when it exploded he was obvoiusly in the explosion
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| | #32 19 Oct 2007 06:39 pm |
The true Sonic wind bg Guest | well seeing superma fanboys squirm was fun but once again goku wins
| | #33 19 Oct 2007 08:03 pm |
the greatest Rep: 21Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,788 OFFLINE | Kakarrot wrote:
Trackz wrote:
Pete da Beast wrote:
Tracks post that on the other thread so it can be countered... again.
Also, this tipic deserves locking, not to be rude, but nothing here will change. People will NOT listen to rules and won’t bother making themseleves “polite” for this thread’s sake. there is another Goku vs Superman thread. It has been up for two years and has THOUSANDS of posts.
Nothing in this thread will change.
Goku won already anyways.
..facts can’t be countered, the scans say what happened yo ucan’t counter what actually happened
Vegeta create a full moon of energy in the beggining of z, before all Freeza Saga, being only one history, The energy they produce desintegrate more durable things than a planet, like Freeza for example, Who even cut in half survive a explosion of a planet much bigger than Earth.
he said atmosphere...the moon doesn’t really have energy..it’s a giant rock really
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| | #34 20 Oct 2007 01:29 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | you cant use pysics to work this out DC kinda breaks the laws of pysics like supes sneezing out a galaxy when their is no air in space.
My opinion is simply this Freiza was waaaaay stronger than Goku Cell was WAAAAAAY stronger than Goku but douse it really matter in the end Goku surpassed them by miles in all areas Superman is no different Goku would surpass him no matter what his strenth it is th Saiyan legacy the reason they were so feared, plus Goku already outputs more speed and skill in his fighting than Supes anyway.
Strenth is alittle harder to ditemine 10 tonnes in normal state dude but when raiseing his power it exceeds this by leeps and bounds (look at freiza fought Goku with 1 percent of his power while Goku used 10 times Kaio Ken,)
BP is power and over the years as power grows in normal state thus also it would grow in Super Saiyan, you see the transformation makes previous difficulties obsulete so SSJ1 would abolish 10 tonnes SSJ2 would probably obolish things SSJ1 found even remotely hard and SSJ3 would be a massive leep considering its energy drain.
1st Form Freiza 530,000 bp
2nd Form Freiza 1,060.000 bp
3rd Form Freiza 2,120.000 bp
Final Form 1 percent 4,240.000 bp
Final Form 50 percent 8,500.000 bp
100 percent Final Form 19,000.000 bp
Goku VS Ginyu 180,000 bp
Goku Healed 360,000 bp
Goku Kaio Ken Times 10 3,600.000
Goku Kaio Ken times 20 7,200.000 bp
Goku Super Saiyan 18,000.000 bp
(note Trunks aliminates Freiza with little resistance only to find Goku could dispach him with just as much ease, and this all happened in the space of 1 year just shows how incredible a year can make Goku).
so you see Goku will always surpass his opponent with little trouble in the end.
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the greatest Rep: 21Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,788 OFFLINE | The Last Saiyan wrote:
you cant use pysics to work this out DC kinda breaks the laws of pysics like supes sneezing out a galaxy when their is no air in space.
My opinion is simply this Freiza was waaaaay stronger than Goku Cell was WAAAAAAY stronger than Goku but douse it really matter in the end Goku surpassed them by miles in all areas Superman is no different Goku would surpass him no matter what his strenth it is th Saiyan legacy the reason they were so feared, plus Goku already outputs more speed and skill in his fighting than Supes anyway.
Strenth is alittle harder to ditemine 10 tonnes in normal state dude but when raiseing his power it exceeds this by leeps and bounds (look at freiza fought Goku with 1 percent of his power while Goku used 10 times Kaio Ken,)
BP is power and over the years as power grows in normal state thus also it would grow in Super Saiyan, you see the transformation makes previous difficulties obsulete so SSJ1 would abolish 10 tonnes SSJ2 would probably obolish things SSJ1 found even remotely hard and SSJ3 would be a massive leep considering its energy drain.
1st Form Freiza 530,000 bp
2nd Form Freiza 1,060.000 bp
3rd Form Freiza 2,120.000 bp
Final Form 1 percent 4,240.000 bp
Final Form 50 percent 8,500.000 bp
100 percent Final Form 19,000.000 bp
Goku VS Ginyu 180,000 bp
Goku Healed 360,000 bp
Goku Kaio Ken Times 10 3,600.000
Goku Kaio Ken times 20 7,200.000 bp
Goku Super Saiyan 18,000.000 bp
(note Trunks aliminates Freiza with little resistance only to find Goku could dispach him with just as much ease, and this all happened in the space of 1 year just shows how incredible a year can make Goku).
so you see Goku will always surpass his opponent with little trouble in the end.
it’s a real problem though because the power levels aren’t consistent, like th transformation makes saiyan about 50x as powerful but they dont output all of that energy (example is when trunks battled cell and tried to use all of the energy) not to mention the power levels dont all refer to ki levels, so you can’t say that all the energy in their power level can be used in a beam of energy as a hercule has a higher power level than a farmer with a gun the power level has to do with how fit you are so doing a lot of sit ups would increase your power level, unforetunately they cant be used in a debate really
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| | #36 20 Oct 2007 06:52 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | lol no allow me to alaberate energy is BP (like if you can run 7 miles so yes it is fittness aswell but most humans cant control their energies and form it into a weapon can they), remember how tired they are after useing their beam attacks this is energy drain (like doing a full scale workout) so they can use their all their BP if they wish 2 but useing all their BP will deminish their life.
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the greatest Rep: 21Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,788 OFFLINE | The Last Saiyan wrote:
lol no allow me to alaberate energy is BP (like if you can run 7 miles so yes it is fittness aswell but most humans cant control their energies and form it into a weapon can they), remember how tired they are after useing their beam attacks this is energy drain (like doing a full scale workout) so they can use their all their BP if they wish 2 but useing all their BP will deminish their life.
exactly what I’m saying is thoug hthey can’t put all of their ki into their speed and equally into their muscle strength, if they add it to their speed they are tkaing away from their srength to use a transformation best it requres restraint the power levels havent be talked about that much and thus can’t be calculated accurately at all
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| | #38 20 Oct 2007 07:06 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | oh i get what ur saying like USSJ was all power no speed, but SSJ2 fixed that riiiiiight i mean they dont use USSJ anymore just SSJ SSJ2 and 3 if ur Goku lol
| | #39 20 Oct 2007 07:11 pm |
the greatest Rep: 21Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,788 OFFLINE | The Last Saiyan wrote:
oh i get what ur saying like USSJ was all power no speed, but SSJ2 fixed that riiiiiight i mean they dont use USSJ anymore just SSJ SSJ2 and 3 if ur Goku lol
and he didn’t perefect ssj3 , he’d ahave 15 minutes to try and beat him once that times out he’s done, superman could definently move fast enough has enoug hdurability to survive 15 minutes, goku can’t output enough force to defeat superman his punches wouldn’t kill him his beams would be simple to phase through as they move slower than sound15 minutes and gokus over
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| | #40 20 Oct 2007 07:20 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | its alittle thing called Instant transmition and Goku has been moveing at light speed since th Ginyu Force (he controls his bodys Ki to become massless somethin Supes cant do thats why he wrecks everything on earth when he go’s light speed).
So basicaly Instant Kamehameha is all it takes to beat Supes seeing as Goku’s SSJ3 form far outwaighs enough power to level the whole solar system (also did it not accur even if Goku lost he would really win by becomeing 2wice as powerful after the battle)?
P.S i dont know were you get he cant output enough force when he fought Kid Buu their blows were quakeing the planet (and it was revealed world of the kias is much stronger than normal worlds yet Goku was indenting it).
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