| 20 Oct 2007 07:28 pm |
the greatest Rep: 16 Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,365 OFFLINE | The Last Saiyan wrote:
its alittle thing called Instant transmition and Goku has been moveing at light speed since th Ginyu Force (he controls his bodys Ki to become massless somethin Supes cant do thats why he wrecks everything on earth when he go’s light speed).
So basicaly Instant Kamehameha is all it takes to beat Supes seeing as Goku’s SSJ3 form far outwaighs enough power to level the whole solar system (also did it not accur even if Goku lost he would really win by becomeing 2wice as powerful after the battle)?
P.S i dont know were you get he cant output enough force when he fought Kid Buu their blows were quakeing the planet (and it was revealed world of the kias is much stronger than normal worlds yet Goku was indenting it).
you dont understand goku moves instantly his beam doesn’t, his beam moves slower than sound and superman would only have to vibrate and light speed to dodge it, and no they weren’t go check out the comic the planet was fine, whe nsuperman fights his blows destroy the planet, when he faught darkseid his punches rocked an entire star system
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 | | 20 Oct 2007 07:43 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | Ok only a few errors Supes has never destroyed a planet as far as i know, and ur useing the DBZ manga correct the fight im on about was in the Anime (as in what Goku is an anime charicter) SSJ2 vs Kid Buu im sure you have seen it as its more common than the manga with most fan’s.
Next so Goku moves Instantly behind Supes and Blasts him witch will take like less than a second and Supes would somehow know he is doing this and Vibrate to avoid it all within the sace of a few miliseonds
| | | 20 Oct 2007 08:42 pm |
the greatest Rep: 16Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,365 OFFLINE | The Last Saiyan wrote:
Ok only a few errors Supes has never destroyed a planet as far as i know, and ur useing the DBZ manga correct the fight im on about was in the Anime (as in what Goku is an anime charicter) SSJ2 vs Kid Buu im sure you have seen it as its more common than the manga with most fan’s.
Next so Goku moves Instantly behind Supes and Blasts him witch will take like less than a second and Supes would somehow know he is doing this and Vibrate to avoid it all within the sace of a few miliseonds
he has, his fight with g. zod the planet was blown up in their fight
a fight wit hdarkseid a planetoid was blown up in their fight (they were fighting on a planet in the beginning in the end there is only tiny chunks) and we’re supposed to be using the manga the anime is too different (plus it makes goku a lot weaker)
goku could IT behind superman, however superma nreacts faster because o his super senses, and the beam also doesn’t move instantly since it moves slower than the speed of sound superman can phase thorugh it or completely dodge it
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| | | 20 Oct 2007 09:38 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | Your makeing no sence if i instantly as in the same moment appear behind you (and remember im also able to move faster than light) and fire a blast of energy at your back point blank you would somehow know i was going to do that and react in time?, there is no time to react as its in the same instant lol.
By the way someone is filling your head full of crap Blasts are way faster than sound speed dude were did you hear that?
A demonstration is just before the Cell games a crook shoots a gun at Goku (bullets move at around 850-1005 mph) the bullet is perchived as slow to Goku like catching a rock thrown by a freind.
so a Ki blast must move at thousands of miles an hour unseeable to even some Z Fighters (Freiza’s death ray was so fast Gohan Piccolo and Krillin all couldent even sence it).
So you see your talking crap again if you think Supes can move faster than Goku IT’s
| | | 21 Oct 2007 09:43 am |
the greatest Rep: 16Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,365 OFFLINE | The Last Saiyan wrote:
Your makeing no sence if i instantly as in the same moment appear behind you (and remember im also able to move faster than light) and fire a blast of energy at your back point blank you would somehow know i was going to do that and react in time?, there is no time to react as its in the same instant lol.
By the way someone is filling your head full of crap Blasts are way faster than sound speed dude were did you hear that?
A demonstration is just before the Cell games a crook shoots a gun at Goku (bullets move at around 850-1005 mph) the bullet is perchived as slow to Goku like catching a rock thrown by a freind.
so a Ki blast must move at thousands of miles an hour unseeable to even some Z Fighters (Freiza’s death ray was so fast Gohan Piccolo and Krillin all couldent even sence it).
So you see your talking crap again if you think Supes can move faster than Goku IT’s
goku gets there instantly yes, but he has to actually fire the blast, superman has super senses he’d react instantly too, all he’d have to d ois vibrate the moment he register goku goku moves instantly the blast however does
and the blasts aren’t the scans fro mthe manga prove they aren’t people have time to talk before blasts hit them
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| | | 21 Oct 2007 12:04 pm |
The Last Saiyan Guest | Man im sick of haveing to state facts to people who cant be bothered to research for themselves, but ok here we go read this and im sure it will become clear that even with more Speed Supes couldent avoid the attack.
Ok seem’s their is a misconseption here,
1. your insinuateing Supes is faster than he really is.
2. Underestimateing the DBZ fighters sences and speed they fight faster than Superman dous that is for certain dont forget that.
I assume you mean Cell Games were Goku warps and fires his kamehameha at him Cell says “shi..." then is blasted away, it is called dramatic effect time slowed down to show that Cell dident even realize Goku had moved untill it was too late (and Cell has Super Sences and speed ubove light also).
First when reading the manga notice before hand Cell is all over Goku in speed, he turns it up saying “well its not instant but im sure its ample to take care of you” ( Goku used IT too avoid Cell’s Kamehameha at the last second dawing it away from the earth Cell even say’s that Goku could not possibly have avoided it at that rage) he then boosts his speed and overwelms Goku’s sences with his new found speed.
He then pulverizes Goku and Goku can barely keep up with him (Cell is way faster), the point is this, Cell is ubove Goku’s speed yet even when confronted with the warp Kamehameha Cell could not avoid it he could not get out of the way before Goku fired his attack (AND HE WAS WAY FASTER THAN GOKU!).
So Supes may be fast but he IS NOT INSTANT as in the sme moment of travel.
Cell dident notice Goku was their untill it was too late, Goku had teliported and was point blank infront of Cell (he couldent even avoid it even with his massive advantage in speed and his super sence as you put it) and so the same is with superman if Goku moves instant like he did against Cell or Pikkon or Kid Buu then he cannot avoid it simple as that.
So the battle would end here Kamehame Goku IT’s Supe’s is baffled untill he realizes were Goku is then HAAAAAAAAAA Goku hit’s him with his energy attack (supes might come through alright but it would connect).
| | | 21 Oct 2007 07:01 pm |
Assassin Rep: 17 Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 6,572 OFFLINE | goku moves way faster than light
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King of MVC Rep: 24 Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,475 OFFLINE | The true Sonic wind wrote:
goku moves way faster than light
Prove it with a scan then.
I have yet to see any scan EVER showing Goku moving faster than the speed of light. I have seen scan’s of Goku moving faster than the the eye can see, even passing the speed of sound several times which is 344 m/s per time passed, an INCREDIBLY impressive feat mind you. The fastest fighter jets in the world move at speeds roughly 4-5 times the speed of sound, so this is saying Goku can move as fast if not faster than the most advanced fighter jets in our world.
But that would place him at, with a safe bet, saying it is a wopping 10 times the speed of sound that he is traveling at, 3440 m/s.
How fast have we shown Superman to travel? Well for starters there are scan’s of superman traveling faster than particals of light, which would put him at above the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 m/s. This is a speed of monumental proportions. Theoretically if Superman was even close to the weight of an average human and he traveled at that speed earth would be torn apart. Another example of Superman traveling faster than the speed of light was when he traveled backwards through time. According to the fundamental laws of physics, if the velocity of an object was ever able to pass the velocity of light, then when you prove for time, it turns into a - number, meaning theoretically (since nobody has ever been able to travel that fast yet) the object creating the velocity would travel backwards through time. This is the same logic used in DC comics about superman’s ability to travel through time. He simply moves faster than the speed of light.
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THE KING HAS RETURNED! | | | 25 Oct 2007 07:15 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14 Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,412 OFFLINE | Goku is faster than Superman anyway with IT so regardless he outclasses Supes in all out speed if it comes down to all out speed, so why debate a flawed cause Derek?
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the greatest Rep: 16Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Posts: 5,365 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku is faster than Superman anyway with IT so regardless he outclasses Supes in all out speed if it comes down to all out speed, so why debate a flawed cause Derek?
except IT is rarely used in combat
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| | | 25 Oct 2007 08:07 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27 Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,702 OFFLINE | derdev789 wrote:
The true Sonic wind wrote:
goku moves way faster than light
Prove it with a scan then.
I have yet to see any scan EVER showing Goku moving faster than the speed of light. I have seen scan’s of Goku moving faster than the the eye can see, even passing the speed of sound several times which is 344 m/s per time passed, an INCREDIBLY impressive feat mind you. The fastest fighter jets in the world move at speeds roughly 4-5 times the speed of sound, so this is saying Goku can move as fast if not faster than the most advanced fighter jets in our world.
But that would place him at, with a safe bet, saying it is a wopping 10 times the speed of sound that he is traveling at, 3440 m/s.
How fast have we shown Superman to travel? Well for starters there are scan’s of superman traveling faster than particals of light, which would put him at above the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 m/s. This is a speed of monumental proportions. Theoretically if Superman was even close to the weight of an average human and he traveled at that speed earth would be torn apart. Another example of Superman traveling faster than the speed of light was when he traveled backwards through time. According to the fundamental laws of physics, if the velocity of an object was ever able to pass the velocity of light, then when you prove for time, it turns into a - number, meaning theoretically (since nobody has ever been able to travel that fast yet) the object creating the velocity would travel backwards through time. This is the same logic used in DC comics about superman’s ability to travel through time. He simply moves faster than the speed of light.
As I already have said, fundamental laws do not apply in fictional accounts. Only way to prove who is 'stronger' is to have an official crossover between the two characters. Basically, logic do not apply since there is no human like Goku and Superman to begin with.
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 | | | 25 Oct 2007 08:25 pm |
captainqu33f Guest | lol all the ppl that think superman > goku are smoking crack. goku is made to be the cheapest, strongest, and most overpowered character in... jus about in all the heros in comic books or mangas.
Superman turns on his kryptonite to full and still wont be able to stop goku.
| | | 25 Oct 2007 09:17 pm |
King of MVC Rep: 24Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,475 OFFLINE | LordMarluxia wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
The true Sonic wind wrote:
goku moves way faster than light
Prove it with a scan then.
I have yet to see any scan EVER showing Goku moving faster than the speed of light. I have seen scan’s of Goku moving faster than the the eye can see, even passing the speed of sound several times which is 344 m/s per time passed, an INCREDIBLY impressive feat mind you. The fastest fighter jets in the world move at speeds roughly 4-5 times the speed of sound, so this is saying Goku can move as fast if not faster than the most advanced fighter jets in our world.
But that would place him at, with a safe bet, saying it is a wopping 10 times the speed of sound that he is traveling at, 3440 m/s.
How fast have we shown Superman to travel? Well for starters there are scan’s of superman traveling faster than particals of light, which would put him at above the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 m/s. This is a speed of monumental proportions. Theoretically if Superman was even close to the weight of an average human and he traveled at that speed earth would be torn apart. Another example of Superman traveling faster than the speed of light was when he traveled backwards through time. According to the fundamental laws of physics, if the velocity of an object was ever able to pass the velocity of light, then when you prove for time, it turns into a - number, meaning theoretically (since nobody has ever been able to travel that fast yet) the object creating the velocity would travel backwards through time. This is the same logic used in DC comics about superman’s ability to travel through time. He simply moves faster than the speed of light.
As I already have said, fundamental laws do not apply in fictional accounts. Only way to prove who is 'stronger' is to have an official crossover between the two characters. Basically, logic do not apply since there is no human like Goku and Superman to begin with.
Physics may not work, but there at scan’s of Superman traveling from the earth to mars in a matter of Moments, which if you take the distance and divide it by time you can get his velocity AKA speed. And with Goku there are scan’s of him traveling around the world in a set amount of time, take the circumferance of the world, divide it by time and you get Goku’s speed. But what I’m trying to say it, from the scan’s that have been posted so far in the Superman Vs. Goku thread, there is a trend of Superman moving at speeds greater than that of light and Goku traveling at speeds slightly above that of sound.
299,792,458 m/s >>> 344 m/s
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THE KING HAS RETURNED! | | | 25 Oct 2007 09:20 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14 Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,949 OFFLINE | - moderated -
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captainqu33f Guest | instant transmission, dervdev ur stupid, instant transmission = anyway in a matter of seconds, thats alot greater than speeds at superman can travel.
if u ever watched goku fight scenes you basically only see a glimpse of a shadow were goku punchs, throughout playing superman games and watching superman cartoons, ive only seen superman charge up to someone and punching him. so wats the point of superman having that much strength if he cant hit goku?
| | | 26 Oct 2007 12:44 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 14Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,412 OFFLINE | Yes another fundimental flaw against Superman, not only douse Goku move faster than him (IT) but Superman’s fighting skill is ar below par when takeing Goku’s extensive training into account.
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King of MVC Rep: 24Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 8,475 OFFLINE | Kyle Knight wrote:
Yes another fundimental flaw against Superman, not only douse Goku move faster than him (IT) but Superman’s fighting skill is ar below par when takeing Goku’s extensive training into account.
Sup’s trained with some of the greatest fighters in the universe. Also, IT doesn’t generate a large amount of damage when used with an attack. What I mean by being able to move quickly helping, is that it is like the case with The Flash. The flash is an average human, but because his speed accelerates his punches they have a Net Force of a white dwarf star.
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THE KING HAS RETURNED! | | | 26 Oct 2007 05:30 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 27Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,702 OFFLINE | derdev789 wrote:
LordMarluxia wrote:
derdev789 wrote:
The true Sonic wind wrote:
goku moves way faster than light
Prove it with a scan then.
I have yet to see any scan EVER showing Goku moving faster than the speed of light. I have seen scan’s of Goku moving faster than the the eye can see, even passing the speed of sound several times which is 344 m/s per time passed, an INCREDIBLY impressive feat mind you. The fastest fighter jets in the world move at speeds roughly 4-5 times the speed of sound, so this is saying Goku can move as fast if not faster than the most advanced fighter jets in our world.
But that would place him at, with a safe bet, saying it is a wopping 10 times the speed of sound that he is traveling at, 3440 m/s.
How fast have we shown Superman to travel? Well for starters there are scan’s of superman traveling faster than particals of light, which would put him at above the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 m/s. This is a speed of monumental proportions. Theoretically if Superman was even close to the weight of an average human and he traveled at that speed earth would be torn apart. Another example of Superman traveling faster than the speed of light was when he traveled backwards through time. According to the fundamental laws of physics, if the velocity of an object was ever able to pass the velocity of light, then when you prove for time, it turns into a - number, meaning theoretically (since nobody has ever been able to travel that fast yet) the object creating the velocity would travel backwards through time. This is the same logic used in DC comics about superman’s ability to travel through time. He simply moves faster than the speed of light.
As I already have said, fundamental laws do not apply in fictional accounts. Only way to prove who is 'stronger' is to have an official crossover between the two characters. Basically, logic do not apply since there is no human like Goku and Superman to begin with.
Physics may not work, but there at scan’s of Superman traveling from the earth to mars in a matter of Moments, which if you take the distance and divide it by time you can get his velocity AKA speed. And with Goku there are scan’s of him traveling around the world in a set amount of time, take the circumferance of the world, divide it by time and you get Goku’s speed. But what I’m trying to say it, from the scan’s that have been posted so far in the Superman Vs. Goku thread, there is a trend of Superman moving at speeds greater than that of light and Goku traveling at speeds slightly above that of sound.
299,792,458 m/s >>> 344 m/s
Formulas do not apply on the fictional world. Speed of light and/or sound can differ if the creators want it to be. Well, I guess assumption can’t be wrong, but, nonetheless...
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| | | 26 Oct 2007 05:57 pm |
Assassin Rep: 17Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 6,572 OFFLINE | derdev789 wrote:
The true Sonic wind wrote:
goku moves way faster than light
Prove it with a scan then.
I have yet to see any scan EVER showing Goku moving faster than the speed of light. I have seen scan’s of Goku moving faster than the the eye can see, even passing the speed of sound several times which is 344 m/s per time passed, an INCREDIBLY impressive feat mind you. The fastest fighter jets in the world move at speeds roughly 4-5 times the speed of sound, so this is saying Goku can move as fast if not faster than the most advanced fighter jets in our world.
But that would place him at, with a safe bet, saying it is a wopping 10 times the speed of sound that he is traveling at, 3440 m/s.
How fast have we shown Superman to travel? Well for starters there are scan’s of superman traveling faster than particals of light, which would put him at above the speed of light, which is 299,792,458 m/s. This is a speed of monumental proportions. Theoretically if Superman was even close to the weight of an average human and he traveled at that speed earth would be torn apart. Another example of Superman traveling faster than the speed of light was when he traveled backwards through time. According to the fundamental laws of physics, if the velocity of an object was ever able to pass the velocity of light, then when you prove for time, it turns into a - number, meaning theoretically (since nobody has ever been able to travel that fast yet) the object creating the velocity would travel backwards through time. This is the same logic used in DC comics about superman’s ability to travel through time. He simply moves faster than the speed of light.
actually,no the scan was posted several times in the real goku vs superman,so go find it,shouldn’t be hard
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α^9→íF♠┌ | | | 26 Oct 2007 05:58 pm |
Assassin Rep: 17Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 6,572 OFFLINE | you know what pisses me off?when fanboys go make other threads once the’ve been beaten
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