Alright I’ve been meaning to do something like this for awhile but I’ve been very cautious due to the very touchy subject. But if people aren’t able to debate a very debateable subject in a clean manner then all logic, reason, and thought would fail.
So here’s the rules. First of all keep it clean. Meaning no excessive language, no rants, and no demeaning. People’s opinions, no matter how far out, are still valid in this discussion. Secondly sources are amazing for this kidna debate. Find and use them. Sources that won’t work are ones straight from the government or citing a “truth video”. Look up the real facts gentlemen. You can draw conclusions from them but we want the real sources. Thirdly keep the debate flowing as we may never find a solution to this.
I’ll present to you first the 911 Commission Report’s investigative finding describing what happened on 9/11/2001 as it is the “official” report on what happened:
19 hijackers, under Osama Bin Laden, hijacked 4 commercial jets with box cutters and while evading NORAD hit 75% of their targets. In turn, World Trade Towers 1, 2, and 7 collapsed due to the structural failure through fire in a “pancake” fashion, while the plane that hit the pentagon vaporized upon impact as did the plane that crashed in Shanksville. The 911 Commission found that there were no warnings for this act of terrorism, while multiple government failures prevented adequate defense.
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The 9-11 Terrorist Attacks: What Really Happened?
Al Qaeda Was Behind the 911 Attacks ********** 40%
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It was a "false flag" Terror Attack ********* 35%
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Al Qaeda Did it, But Government Lying About How It Was Done ***** 20%
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These Attacks Never Happened ** 5%
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My first piece of evidence towards the official report being wrong is that Osama Bin Laden was behind them. Bin Laden actually denied being behind the attacks but it wasn’t until that video surfaced that was going off as the official confirmation. But its apparent that the man in that video:
simply isn’t Bin Laden. Take a look at these picture comparisons. Here’s Bin Laden in that video:
And here he is with confirmed pics of him:
Notice the differences. The facial structure is not consistent between the pics. Nor the facial tent, as the one in the video is darker. The man in that video is simply not Bin Laden. Anyone with eyes can tell that so tell the blind people to get over it.
So this is where I go off in that, if its noticeable that this isn’t Osama Bin Laden then why was it used as the official source to say he directed the attacks. This is not proof. Althought maybe there is proof out there, this was the proof the government presented for it, which is false. It seems to me that this was planted evidence as if this were found by the government normally they would been able to tell that it wasn’t him. So if the government could plant evidence like this and lie could they do it for the rest.
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There has never been a case in history where a steel building collapsed because of fire, so why believe the twin towers fell because of fire? They were also built to sustain multiple collisions of commercial planes. And what’s with building 7? No one has been able to give me a satisfying explanation of how it collapsed.
ramunematt wrote:
There has never been a case in history where a steel building collapsed because of fire, so why believe the twin towers fell because of fire? They were also built to sustain multiple collisions of commercial planes. And what’s with building 7? No one has been able to give me a satisfying explanation of how it collapsed.
This is the counter-argument against the article in Popular Mechanics about debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories.
I would think no matter how many threats a day they get, a threat of that magnitude should be taken seriously, especially
when its been confirmed that other world leaders warned America that something like that would happen.
Alright, I read a paragraph, and it was the biggest waste of 30 seconds in my life. I really dont take conspiracy theory’s too seriously, since if ones involving small numbers of people, such as watergate or Iran /contra get discovered, why should I believe that none of the people that would have had been paid off wouldnt come forth. No one wants a Nobel prize? Pulitzer? Million dollar book and movie deal? Please.
Well I just don’t believe that for some reason or another, companies such as N.O.R.A.D, the CIA, the FBI, on this particular day, could be so incompetent and uninitiated for this to happen.
How could their protocol get messed up so badly ?? They knew and were well informed of the hijackings, yet 4 hijacked 757 Boeings were able to fly around for two hours with nothing being done to stop their trajectory.
NORAD Mission Statement
“NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of an aerospace attack on North America and maintains continental aerospace control, to include peacetime air sovereignty alert and appropriate aerospace defense measures in response to hostile actions against North America”
Alright so if theres no government involvement, we should start questioning the need for NORAD.
And how bout the million dollar movie deals such as “United Flight 93”?
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Last edited 28 Oct 2007 08:08 pm by bAyBeE_ChRoNiC
Do you really think any of those agency’s are all that smart to begin with? The CIA couldnt assasinate a dictator of a third world county(Cuba), the FBI are cops with fewer restrictions, and Im not completely sure what NORAD, but, if their government run, Im sure their inept.
Now, a stunning realization is that neither of us will be able to convince the other of their point.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Well I just don’t believe that for some reason or another, companies such as N.O.R.A.D, the CIA, the FBI, on this particular day, could be so incompetent and uninitiated to let this happen.
How could their protocol get messed up so badly ?? They knew and were well informed of the hijackings, yet 4 hijacked 757 Boeings were able to fly around for two hours with nothing being done to stop their trajectory.
NORAD Mission Statement
“NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of an aerospace attack on North America and maintains continental aerospace control, to include peacetime air sovereignty alert and appropriate aerospace defense measures in response to hostile actions against North America”
Alright so if theres no government involvement, we should start questioning the need for NORAD.
And how bout the million dollar movie deals such as “United Flight 93”?
Wasnt that actually based on what actually happened, not the conspiracy?
Nope , but if 12 Arab men, most likely not very educated, lead by some extremist also known as Osama Bin Laden can pull this off , then all those organizations are just as capable.
I don’t believe the whole “Fighter jets hit the towers” and “Missles hit the Pentagon” bullshit but all I’m saying is the presence of government involvement is unavoidable.
Of course even if thats proven, what are we gona do about it ? Nothing. Oh well.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Well I just don’t believe that for some reason or another, companies such as N.O.R.A.D, the CIA, the FBI, on this particular day, could be so incompetent and uninitiated to let this happen.
How could their protocol get messed up so badly ?? They knew and were well informed of the hijackings, yet 4 hijacked 757 Boeings were able to fly around for two hours with nothing being done to stop their trajectory.
NORAD Mission Statement
“NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of an aerospace attack on North America and maintains continental aerospace control, to include peacetime air sovereignty alert and appropriate aerospace defense measures in response to hostile actions against North America”
Alright so if theres no government involvement, we should start questioning the need for NORAD.
And how bout the million dollar movie deals such as “United Flight 93”?
Wasnt that actually based on what actually happened, not the conspiracy?
Yeah, exactly. You were asking why people didn’t come fourth when they could have received the Nobel Prize and million dollar movie deals, I was just pointing out that they did make money off it regardless.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Nope , but if 12 Arab men, most likely not very educated, lead by some extremist also known as Osama Bin Laden can pull this off , then all those organizations are just as capable.
I don’t believe the whole “Fighter jets hit the towers” and “Missles hit the Pentagon” bullshit but all I’m saying is the presence of government involvement is unavoidable.
Of course even if thats proven, what are we gona do about it ? Nothing. Oh well.
Uhh, many of those guys came from rich arab families, and had college education. Osama, went to school for civil engineering at the time the towers were being built.
I dont see whats so hard about believing that there are people outside the US that are smart and college educated.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Well I just don’t believe that for some reason or another, companies such as N.O.R.A.D, the CIA, the FBI, on this particular day, could be so incompetent and uninitiated to let this happen.
How could their protocol get messed up so badly ?? They knew and were well informed of the hijackings, yet 4 hijacked 757 Boeings were able to fly around for two hours with nothing being done to stop their trajectory.
NORAD Mission Statement
“NORAD continuously provides worldwide detection, validation and warning of an aerospace attack on North America and maintains continental aerospace control, to include peacetime air sovereignty alert and appropriate aerospace defense measures in response to hostile actions against North America”
Alright so if theres no government involvement, we should start questioning the need for NORAD.
And how bout the million dollar movie deals such as “United Flight 93”?
Wasnt that actually based on what actually happened, not the conspiracy?
Yeah, exactly. You were asking why people didn’t come fourth when they could have received the Nobel Prize and million dollar movie deals, I was just pointing out that they did make money off it regardless.
but seriously, how much more can you make with the unveiling of the biggest fucking conspiracy thought up?
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Nope , but if 12 Arab men, most likely not very educated, lead by some extremist also known as Osama Bin Laden can pull this off , then all those organizations are just as capable.
I don’t believe the whole “Fighter jets hit the towers” and “Missles hit the Pentagon” bullshit but all I’m saying is the presence of government involvement is unavoidable.
Of course even if thats proven, what are we gona do about it ? Nothing. Oh well.
Uhh, many of those guys came from rich arab families, and had college education. Osama, went to school for civil engineering at the time the towers were being built.
I dont see whats so hard about believing that there are people outside the US that are smart and college educated.
One of the men responsible for the training the hijackers underwent, I dont have sources right now, but I can get’em, that one of the hijackers was barely capable of flying a small plane. He was a terrible pilot and it is amazing that he was the one to crash the first plane.
bAyBeE_ChRoNiC wrote:
Nope , but if 12 Arab men, most likely not very educated, lead by some extremist also known as Osama Bin Laden can pull this off , then all those organizations are just as capable.
I don’t believe the whole “Fighter jets hit the towers” and “Missles hit the Pentagon” bullshit but all I’m saying is the presence of government involvement is unavoidable.
Of course even if thats proven, what are we gona do about it ? Nothing. Oh well.
Uhh, many of those guys came from rich arab families, and had college education. Osama, went to school for civil engineering at the time the towers were being built.
I dont see whats so hard about believing that there are people outside the US that are smart and college educated.
One of the men responsible for the training the hijackers underwent, I dont have sources right now, but I can get’em, that one of the hijackers was barely capable of flying a small plane. He was a terrible pilot and it is amazing that he was the one to crash the first plane.
It doesnt take a genius to fly a plane into building.
fuckyfuckerfuckingmcfuckfuck69 wrote:
Alright, I read a paragraph, and it was the biggest waste of 30 seconds in my life. I really dont take conspiracy theory’s too seriously, since if ones involving small numbers of people, such as watergate or Iran /contra get discovered, why should I believe that none of the people that would have had been paid off wouldnt come forth. No one wants a Nobel prize? Pulitzer? Million dollar book and movie deal? Please.
Cutting off opinions in this kinda arguement is not acceptable. Either debate it or don’t. Noone is forcing you to reply in this topic. But if you are going to reply you are going to have to read and analyse every side.
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My next piece of evidence goes to serve the purpose of planted evidence and lies by the government such as the debunking of the Bin Laden video which was clearly not him.
It is reported that the passport of hijacker Satam Al Suqami has been found a few blocks from the WTC. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the FBI’s New York office, says police and FBI found it during a “grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission later claims it was actually discovered by a passerby and given to an NYPD detective, “shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed.”
Alright so let’s think logically about this for a second. This is a passport found lying in the streets near the WTC towers. It was of one of the supposed hijackers that was in the plane when it hit the building. Alright reverse. This passport belonged to a hijacker who was in one of the flights that hit the WTC towers.
People believe this? Let’s think about it. These planes flew into a building at high speeds. Not only that when the plane hit the towers it completely vaporized. Not only that but supposedly it was the intense heat from the jet fuel that caused those towers to go down. BUT that heat was not enough to burn paper. It was not enough to vaporize this guy’s passport but it vaporized him, the rest of the people, the plane, and it eventually brought down the towers. Not only that but it was a one in a million chance of even finding it despite how impossible it would have been to even get down there.
The only obvious explanation is that this is planted evidence by the government as this was used to not only confirm identities but associations and whatnot. And yet we sit back and believe this. Haha this is planted evidence by the government and its obvious. Once again why does the government have to go to such lenghts, such as this, to prove these attacks was by Al Qaeda if they have nothing to hide. Innocent people don’t lie, cheat, and manipulate.
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