| 10 Nov 2007 06:22 pm |
Strange little girl Rep: 19  Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 6,393 | I was thinking the same thing Baybee. That made sense so far as the distinctions between atheism, theism and agnosticism, but after that...
I would have to agree with what Maggot pointed out. Theism, agnosticism and atheism are not religions - they are categories that describe one’s belief, non-belief or undecidedness of whether a deity or deities exist.
In some “religions” there are actually athiests and agnostics, as well as theists. For example paganism (which is a broad category) does have its athiests - those who believe in things supernatural, but not in deities.
By the way Lavie - that should be “leprechaun”. It’s always wise to attempt to spell things correctly when making any claim that your intelligence is superior to that of others  .
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| 10 Nov 2007 07:08 pm |
Regular Rep: 0  Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 530 OFFLINE | "what color religion does an atheist person have?"
Um...blue?
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| 12 Nov 2007 11:39 am |
Eins und alles Rep: 14 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 5,414 OFFLINE | I don’t like Lavie’s statement.
It implies that if you aren’t religious, you’re an atheist.
What about Deists?
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| 13 Nov 2007 03:49 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12 Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 2,962 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
I don’t like Lavie’s statement.
It implies that if you aren’t religious, you’re an atheist.
What about Deists?
I think Lavie’s overall point was good though.
There are degrees of almost everything though right? Religion included? And labels can only take you so far.
The cult is a good example. Since “technically” a group may be considered a cult, but they self-identify as a religion. The “rules” for how you describe something changes over time, but a word only has meaning if we all follow those changes. Which isn’t always the case.
That being said....
No, from my understanding and interpretation I don’t think Atheism can be classified as a religion.
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| 17 Nov 2007 04:59 pm |
Actually Insane Rep: 31 Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 36,671 OFFLINE | lavie540395029 wrote:
Wow you guys are a little confused.
Theist - one who believes in a higher being/beings
Atheist - one who does not believe in a higher being/beings
Agnostic - one who neither refutes nor agrees with the existence of a higher being/beings
Saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that everyone who is not in a cult really is in a cult - the non-cult cult. This of course is ridiculous.
“What breed of cat is air?"
“Oh yeah, air is a non-breed breed of cat."
“Hey, idiot, what religion does an atheist belong to?"
“Duh! The atheist belongs to the non-religion religion."
The hair example is great. Lets say Hinduism is blond hair, Sikhism is black hair, Buddhism is brown hair, Judaism is red hair, and Christianity is grey hair. Do you follow me, children? Atheism would, respectively, be the absence of hair. Get it?
“So what color hair does an atheist have?"
Come on don’t embarrass yourself.
Honestly ask yourself this:
WHAT COLOR HAIR DOES A BALD PERSON HAVE?
Good.
Now, in your answer, replace the words “bald man” with “atheist," and replace “hair” with “religion." There you go, dummies. Good Job!
*Pats you on the head gently*
Okay sorry, I didn’t mean to mentally stimulate you too much. I promise we wont talk big kid Atheist talk anymore. It’s so strange because technically we all have pretty much the same sized brains but you could never guess that...
Well, goodbye all of you non-cult cult followers, non-cat cats, white haired bald people, non-leprichon leprichons, and anyone else who does not fit into the before mentioned categories.
Sincerely,
Lavie
WE love your enthusiasm but I posted the fucking definition of it and provided facts as to otherwise. With even a 50% chance of guessing right and 100% right answers above you you still seemed to have got this wrong haha. Congrats.
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| 18 Nov 2007 12:13 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13 Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,321 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
“A religion is a set of common beliefs and practices generally held by a group of people."
Well athiesm is a set of common beliefs and practices held by a group of people. Technically that makes it a religion.
The problem there is that atheism has no common practice. An atheist can, in fact, be a religious person or not. It all depends on whether or not they believe in a higher deity.
Atheism and Theism are merely philosophical takes on religion.
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| 18 Nov 2007 04:01 pm |
is causing chaos. Rep: 22 Joined: 04 Jul 2006 Posts: 8,131 OFFLINE | lavie540395029 wrote:
Wow you guys are a little confused.
Theist - one who believes in a higher being/beings
Atheist - one who does not believe in a higher being/beings
Agnostic - one who neither refutes nor agrees with the existence of a higher being/beings
Saying that atheism is a religion is like saying that everyone who is not in a cult really is in a cult - the non-cult cult. This of course is ridiculous.
“What breed of cat is air?"
“Oh yeah, air is a non-breed breed of cat."
“Hey, idiot, what religion does an atheist belong to?"
“Duh! The atheist belongs to the non-religion religion."
The hair example is great. Lets say Hinduism is blond hair, Sikhism is black hair, Buddhism is brown hair, Judaism is red hair, and Christianity is grey hair. Do you follow me, children? Atheism would, respectively, be the absence of hair. Get it?
“So what color hair does an atheist have?"
Come on don’t embarrass yourself.
Honestly ask yourself this:
WHAT COLOR HAIR DOES A BALD PERSON HAVE?
Good.
Now, in your answer, replace the words “bald man” with “atheist," and replace “hair” with “religion." There you go, dummies. Good Job!
*Pats you on the head gently*
Okay sorry, I didn’t mean to mentally stimulate you too much. I promise we wont talk big kid Atheist talk anymore. It’s so strange because technically we all have pretty much the same sized brains but you could never guess that...
Well, goodbye all of you non-cult cult followers, non-cat cats, white haired bald people, non-leprichon leprichons, and anyone else who does not fit into the before mentioned categories.
Sincerely,
Lavie
QFT
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:56 am |
Actually Insane Rep: 31Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 36,671 OFFLINE | Weeman- well join the bandwagon of people that have already proven wrong. SEriously read my first posts. This has been solved and there is a right answer. A 50-50 chance of getting it right and evne more so with the right answer available and people are still getting this wrong. Pathetic.
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| 19 Nov 2007 05:16 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,321 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
Weeman- well join the bandwagon of people that have already proven wrong. SEriously read my first posts. This has been solved and there is a right answer. A 50-50 chance of getting it right and evne more so with the right answer available and people are still getting this wrong. Pathetic.
Atheism is a philosophy, not a religion.
It lacks much of what makes a religion a religion, even by definition.
And to state that atheism is a religion would mess up the definition, because to be atheist requires you to not believe in a deity. Religions don’t have to have a deity, so you can be religious or not and still be atheist.
So, your figuring it was philosophical is correct. Your semantics were off.
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:11 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,321 OFFLINE |
“Philosophy is the discipline concerned with questions of how one should live," = do not believe in a deity.
“what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures," = deities do not exist and their nature is only mental.
“what counts as genuine knowledge," = science.
There was also reasoning, but I can’t really think of what to put there.
Of course, I’m using Wikipedia, but hey, provides more sources than your guy.
Like I said, an atheist can be a religious person, so its more of a philosophy dealing with deities and their alleged existence.
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:24 pm |
El Capitan Rep: 15 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | Atheism is Not a Philosophy:
A person’s philosophy is their “system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.“ Like ideology, a philosophy comprises of two key elements: it must be a group of beliefs and it must provide guidance. Atheism is not a philosophy for the same reason that it is not an ideology: it’s not even a single belief, much less a system of interconnected beliefs, and by itself atheism does not guide anyone anywhere. The same would be true if we defined atheism narrowly as denial of the existence of gods: that single belief is not a system of principles. As with ideology, atheism can be part of a philosophy.
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:31 pm |
El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | “Philosophy is the discipline concerned with questions of how one should live," = do not believe in a deity.
Not believing in a deity or deities does not in any way tell someone how they should live
“what sorts of things exist and what are their essential natures," = deities do not exist and their nature is only mental.
There is a difference between what does exist and what doesn’t
“what counts as genuine knowledge," = science.
Science is not a mandatory part of atheism.
There was also reasoning, but I can’t really think of what to put there.
Again, not a mandatory part of atheism.
Of course, I’m using Wikipedia, but hey, provides more sources than your guy.
Except my guy is more professional and experienced in this field. Not to mention Wikipedia can’t be fully trusted.
Like I said, an atheist can be a religious person, so its more of a philosophy dealing with deities and their alleged existence.
I find it hard to believe that someone can be religious without a religion.
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:32 pm |
Future PS3 Owner Rep: 40 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 12,992 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
“A religion is a set of common beliefs and practices generally held by a group of people."
Well athiesm is a set of common beliefs and practices held by a group of people. Technically that makes it a religion.
EXACTLY
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:37 pm |
El Capitan Rep: 15Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,209 OFFLINE | Even by the definition that Zucas posted, Atheism is not a religion because it doesn’t have a set of common beliefs. Notice how beliefs is plural yet the only one belief atheism holds is disbelief in a deity or deities, which in itself is not a belief at all. It’s a disbelief.
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| 19 Nov 2007 10:52 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,321 OFFLINE | Yeah, I guess atheism really isn’t much but just saying “don’t believe in deities."
Which is kinda what I was saying, but doing exactly what Austin Cline was mentioning about making stuff too complicated.
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| 20 Nov 2007 04:03 pm |
Actually Insane Rep: 31Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 36,671 OFFLINE | I guess it depends on how you dissect religion. Cause every religion has a philosophy but not every philosophy has a religion. I no there’s some kinda Athiest group. Can’t remember what they called, so technically if we included them then yes there are groups of Athiest that re technically a religion, which defies this topic.
But the author of this wrote it to blandly. Do they mean Athiesm the theology, or the group. Shame on the author of this topic for confusion.
Just like in a Christian religion. Catholocism is the religion and the New Testament is its philosophy.
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| 20 Nov 2007 07:05 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 13Joined: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 4,321 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
I guess it depends on how you dissect religion. Cause every religion has a philosophy but not every philosophy has a religion. I no there’s some kinda Athiest group. Can’t remember what they called, so technically if we included them then yes there are groups of Athiest that re technically a religion, which defies this topic.
But the author of this wrote it to blandly. Do they mean Athiesm the theology, or the group. Shame on the author of this topic for confusion.
Just like in a Christian religion. Catholocism is the religion and the New Testament is its philosophy.
I’m agreeing with ramunematt when I say, atheism isn’t anything but the disbelief in a deity. That’s it. That’s the whole nitty gritty of the thing. There is no philosophy to it, its just that. There is no atheist group, doctrine, theology, or anything. Its just the antithesis of theism, which is belief in deities.
If there is a group of atheists, then so be it. They don’t hold anything that atheists have to go by, and because of that, atheism is not a religion. Its just one idea. An idea, not an ideology.
I think its the fact that atheism is an “ism” word that makes people think too hard about this. Just because a word is an “ism” doesn’t mean its philosophical or religious.
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