Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth

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Cloud defeated Sephiroth, who is >>>> Omega.

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Well to be honest in Advent Children Cloud and Vincent Both fight Kadaj and the gang and Kadaj’s gang come out uneffected, that doesnt mean anything because later on when Cloud fights them again on his own he wins, which would of been the same conclusion if Cloud would of been in the same posistion as Vincet was, simply because AC Sephiroth is Quoted by the creaters to be “extremly powerfull, There is nothing stronger, nothing above him” and cloud beat him then he would have no probs with omega

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In a sense i could play Devils Advacate..

Vincet obviously had no affect on Kadaj as he is fine, when he fights Cloud who then beats him and takes on Lozz and Yazzo and Then Advent Children Sephiroth (The most powerfull Quoted by the makers), So Cloud is better then Vincent.

The whole planet relied on Cloud in the end as is made apparent i cant see Vincent stopping Kadaj’s Gang or Advent Children seeing as he could not beat Kadaj’s Gang before and Kadajs Gang are remnants of Sephiroth (meaning all 3 combined are the full power of Sephiroth).

See what i did there :P

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Yep. Cloud’s Omnislash V5 is the only attack that could kill him.

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How do you know what happened, IF THEY DIDN’T SHOW IT?
Weiss is a pussy. Vincent is so bad he got nailed by fucking Hojo lmao.
Actually, Vincent relied on them to take out the reactors.

Omega isn’t that powerful, neither is Weiss, why? Because they got beaten by Vincent lmao, even a Vince Vs Cloud thread is stupid, against Sephiroth, I worry for you.

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I would love to see you prove that, Seph is below Weiss in power, and Omega quake’s the planet when Chaos and he collide never seen Roth do that

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Ehem again the creator’s marly surggest Seph as an iraplaceable part of FF7 and main antagonist he hasnt shown half the speed and power Dirge enemy’s poses Russo can multiply and move faster than i have ever seen sephiroth, Azul is seen knocking down 5 reinforced security door’s in one blow base form, Weiss practicaly disapear’s when he fight’s Chaos and flick’s Vincent’s bullet’s out of the air.

There is an insane gap between Seph and Weiss here as he posseses both G and J Cell’s (he was born with his ability’s just like Nero then became a first Class SOLIDER then entered DG then became a Tsveit then an Emporer of all SOLIDER to boot (even restrictor feared him so much he had a virus put inside him that would kill him within three day’s if he ever struck him down, then had him chained to his throne lol).

Weiss backround say’s he EVOLVED from the Genasis program meaning he is superior to Genasis to clear the confushion and was given a perfect blend of J and G Cell’s showing he is also one with Jeanova.

As for DG all were First Class before joining DG they had their mind’s wiped and were throne into the DG training ground, basicaly their perpose now was to become the supream existence and to become mercyless killing machines for Shinra’s next step in total take over of the world.

Weiss holding the title of emporer mean’s he call’s the shot’s (even tho other Tsveit’s or DG troop’s may challenge him) what Weiss want’s all the other Tsveit’s desire hence “hail Weiss” even if he is going to summon Omega and drain all life from our planet they follow his order without question.

DG is known pecificaly to house the strongest warrior’s on the planet Sephiroth is the face of Shinra were as DG it’s dark shadow.

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You dident quight think ahead there in AC Vincent say’s he found the Turk’s hurt and beaten so he had no confrentation with Kadaj, next he saved Cloud from Kadaj and Co he wasnt trying to take them on only save his freind.

Finaly Vincent told everyone to leave Kadaj to Cloud as it was his fight, this right here show’s Vinnie dident want to intervene in Cloud’s affair’s.

Also he never used Chaos pity but hey all us who played Dirge now no Vinnie was a real powerhouse (he sent Russo flying with his aura alone), plus Vinnie is mile’s more experianced than Cloud faster than Cloud and Stronger than Cloud in Chaos simple fact is if Cloud could beat Seph then there is noway Vinnie cant.

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Unless you saw DOC were Vincent move’s way faster than Omni-Slash V5 cmon Chaos is the Heaven’s harbinger created to wipe out all life on earth for Omega, i dont think Cloud could do that or Sephiroth without Materia lol

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Ok then, one thing you got to realise though is that the Sephiroth you see in FF7 and the one you see in Advent Children are on completly Different scales of power.

When Sephiroth first Started out in Crises Core it shows Him Puting up a fight against Angeal and Genesis Two very powerfull Soldiers who even have the One wing the mark of exposure to extremes amount of mako energy, Now during this Sephiroth has the Power from the J cells of jenova yes.

Now later when Sephiroth meets Jenova in Nilbilium he takes off her Head jumps into the Lifestream. We learn that while he was in there he gained Knowledge of the Ancients, and he Gained a new level of power. Now one thing that Clearly Shows Sephiroth Absolute power was the fact if you look at the cannon Version of who controls who of Jenova and Sephiroth you will learn that Sephiroth had control over Jenova, he could take any part of her and Shape it into his own Form, This explains how he was able to Manipulate Cloud to hand over the black Materia.

So the reason why Sephiroth is The most powerfull is because he and Jenova have fused into one being now, Granting Sephiroth now not just G or J cells :P. But everything that jenova is and has.

Next on Sephiroths list to grant him power that he needs is the lifestream, If Sephiroth was to have power over the Lifestream then he would be God and if his plan in FF7 had gone to plan then he would of sucked all the Lifestream for himself, Similar to what Omega’s Function is.

After losing at the end of FF7 Sephiroths will was so powerfull that he never trully died, but he wondered the lifestream to where he eventually rose to a extreme new lvl of power, he had gained control over the negative Lifestream causeing the affects of Geostigma accross the World,

So now concluding this lol. Sephiroth in Advent Children is the most powerfull being in the FF7 world so far Because he had complete control over Jenova and all its powers, and he control over the Negative Lifestream which would of gave him extremes amount of power, Now Sephiroths will was Split into 3 remnats which were Kadajs Gang, The 3 combined are what would of gained Sephiroth to become is absolute complete form, But he never got that far... but when kadaj absorved Jenovas head (Remember what i said about Sephiroth able to Turn any part of Jenova into his image, well thats what he did)

Nice little History lesson for you there to realise how powerfull Sephiroth actually is

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Ehem apart from the fact he could not recreate himself...he NEEDED kadaj to get Jeanova to help bring him back lol.

Now look at it this way Kadaj say’s “its almost unbearable to think mother might want sephiroth more than..." Kadaj and co are ever working for mother’s will not sephiroth’s and her will was to bring back her fallen child, (you see the Jeanova vs Seph battle is a matter of opinion).

Now alot of good his Jeanova Cell’s did him he still died like any other person and in DOC hasnt been hered of he is far from all powerful but im sure he will be back one day, but the truth is he was played by Genasis all up to this point everything he did or had done Genasis laid out the peices and now hold’s all the card’s.

Seph fought Genasis he dident beat him but he could have haveing tried ill bet now Genasis has returned much like sephiroth with J Cell’s so id say it’s even, but in the one year after AC new more powerful enemy’s emerged...Weiss haveing both J G Cell’s put’s him at an advantage in power not just in rank and has shown to be superior through feat’s, also he is part of Genasis master plan and with Omega he has obtained an indistructable body.

As for my vote Vinnie all the way lol

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Just correcting two wrong statements. Don’t mind me in the argument.



It’s true, Sephiroth has complete control over Jenova, however he didn’t influence it to take his form. Jenova read Cloud’s mind and saw the images of Sephiroth from his past and took that form. Jenova probably had no idea who Sephiroth was, just that he was calling her and the rest of the clones to the Northern Crater for the reunion.



Sephiroth didn’t need Kadaj for anything, he inflicted Geostigma with the idea of tainting the lifestream to the point that it was completely under his control. When Kadaj absorbed Jenova’s head and was fighting Cloud, he probably just saw it as an opportunity and took it, no plans before hand.

I say this because, in FF7 he regenerated his body from nothing. The ultimania says that when he jumped into the lifestream, his body was dissolved away. What you see in FF7 encased in the Mako crystal, is only his upper body. The rest wasn’t finished forming. Thus the reason that he never had legs as Safer and Bizzarro.

This FF7 history lesson has been brought to you by Cid. Thanks for reading.

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I hate correcting you but remember if Kadaj hadent absorbed Jeanova’s head there would be no Seph end of right lol, plus Geostigma was rooted out by the life stream so Seph needed Kadaj Loz and Yazzo very much to reform.

Kadaj wanted to bring back Seph for mother remember their isnt much to surgest Seph was in control.

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Well no he couldnt come back as i said, Jenova and Sephiroth are one being, one cant exist without the other, Sephiroth is Kadajs gang combined there are is strength, is speed, is power, they are the remnants of Sephiroth, If he had combined Jenova with Kadaj, loz and yazzo then we would of seen the true power of sephiroth but... we didnt sadly.

Kadajs Ramblings about who Jenova will Choose well you got to remember Jenova and Sephiroth are one, and in Jenova was the one in power then Logically wouldnt Kadaj of Turned into Jenova and Not Sephiroth when a Remnant of Sephiroth and Jenova combined once again :P

I agree Genesis did make Sephiroth Go crazy, same as he did with Angeal, he convinced them they were monsters, he did this though cause is plan was to take revenge back on the world.

Its not even with sephy and Genesis lol, Sephy as the complete power of Jenova at his disposal not just Cells. As for Feats? theres a entire list of sephys Feats, but like i said and the creaters we have not seen the true power of sephy so we dont know what sephy is capable of, as for Rank? That means nothing to be honest... Vincent was once a Turk, Sephy was once a 1ST class Soldier, Class means nothing, Sephiroth is already industructable he doesnt need any Weapons for that ^^

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Guys, since the creators state that Seph pwns all, and Vince can’t do the Omnislash, Seph wins. Simple as that.

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Sephiroth has full control over all his clones, that includes Kadaj. He could have taken over Kadaj at any point. He does, after all, possess Cloud several times.

And Kadaj wanted to bring “mother” back so that she could do what she wanted.

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Then again.. I just don’t care. *yawns*

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Sephiroth Couldnt come back untill his remnants had Retrieved “mother”, Kadaj himself said that to president Shinra, saying “He will Return” when being questioned to what will happen when they find “Mother”, Sephiroth and Jenova are of one being, so Sephiroth cant exist untill The remnant of Sephiroth and Jenova are combined once again

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Fair enough :P

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Once again, I direct you to the Ultimania Omega translations.

Sephiroth once regenerated his body from nothing, there’s no evidence to say he couldn’t do it again. In FF7 the body is comprised mainly of the lifestream, with his control over the negative lifestream, he could easily created a body from scratch in little time at all.