#121 28 Dec 2007 12:49 am |
Ramirez Guest | Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Kyle Knight wrote:
I hate correcting you but remember if Kadaj hadent absorbed Jeanova’s head there would be no Seph end of right lol, plus Geostigma was rooted out by the life stream so Seph needed Kadaj Loz and Yazzo very much to reform.
Kadaj wanted to bring back Seph for mother remember their isnt much to surgest Seph was in control.
Sephiroth has full control over all his clones, that includes Kadaj. He could have taken over Kadaj at any point. He does, after all, possess Cloud several times.
And Kadaj wanted to bring “mother” back so that she could do what she wanted.
Sephiroth Couldnt come back untill his remnants had Retrieved “mother”, Kadaj himself said that to president Shinra, saying “He will Return” when being questioned to what will happen when they find “Mother”, Sephiroth and Jenova are of one being, so Sephiroth cant exist untill The remnant of Sephiroth and Jenova are combined once again
Once again, I direct you to the Ultimania Omega translations.
Sephiroth once regenerated his body from nothing, there’s no evidence to say he couldn’t do it again. In FF7 the body is comprised mainly of the lifestream, with his control over the negative lifestream, he could easily created a body from scratch in little time at all.
The remnants of Sephiroth was Sephiroths attempt to Recreate is body back to the World. It just kind of got split up, But i understand what you mean if sephiroth had control over the Lifestream then he should of been easily be able to recreate a body it just raises more questions to why doesnt he just do that.... Final Fantasy 7 Lore sucks lol | | | #122 28 Dec 2007 01:44 am |
Ramirez Guest | Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P) | | #123 28 Dec 2007 03:01 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19  Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
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Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
Yes.
And then Vincent and Sephiroth have a sexiness contest, which ends in a draw.
 
MAJOR props to RageOverdose for the sigs. | | #125 28 Dec 2007 03:09 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
Yes.
And then Vincent and Sephiroth have a sexiness contest, which ends in a draw.
Psh.. Sephy Poo is so much more sexy than Vinny. *snaps fingers*
| | #126 28 Dec 2007 03:14 am |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Cid Highwind wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
Yes.
And then Vincent and Sephiroth have a sexiness contest, which ends in a draw.
Psh.. Sephy Poo is so much more sexy than Vinny. *snaps fingers*
How can you choose just one!?!
MAJOR props to RageOverdose for the sigs. | | #127 28 Dec 2007 03:31 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 19Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 1,682 OFFLINE | Maggot Face wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
Yes.
And then Vincent and Sephiroth have a sexiness contest, which ends in a draw.
Psh.. Sephy Poo is so much more sexy than Vinny. *snaps fingers*
How can you choose just one!?!
My penis usually points towards the one that makes it happy.
| | #128 28 Dec 2007 08:28 am |
Ramirez Guest | Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
QFT | | #129 28 Dec 2007 11:37 am |
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi Rep: 31Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,772 OFFLINE | Cid Highwind wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Maggot Face wrote:
Cid Highwind wrote:
Ramirez wrote:
Back to Vincent Valentine vs Sephiroth
Ok then lets say Sephiroth Killed Cloud in Advent Children what would of happened next? (i know its a bit unbelievable but try to imagine :P)
My guess is.. That the guys in the Seirra would have carried out a final assault of sorts, however due to the loss of morale from the death of their “leader” their attack is severely disorganized and even somewhat frantic.. So it fails, horribly and ends up with everybody but Yuffie and Vincent dead.. Yuffie because she’d run away and Vincent.. Because I’m not completely convinced that’s he’s alive enough to be killed. haha
Yes.
And then Vincent and Sephiroth have a sexiness contest, which ends in a draw.
Psh.. Sephy Poo is so much more sexy than Vinny. *snaps fingers*
How can you choose just one!?!
My penis usually points towards the one that makes it happy.
I’m not gonna risk it splitting in half >_>;
MAJOR props to RageOverdose for the sigs. | | #130 28 Dec 2007 01:34 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | FIRST OFF LMFAO @ CIDS PENIS, I’D KNOB SEPHYCOCK TOO LOL
Ehem apart from the fact he could not recreate himself...he NEEDED kadaj to get Jeanova to help bring him back lol.
Now look at it this way Kadaj say’s “its almost unbearable to think mother might want sephiroth more than..." Kadaj and co are ever working for mother’s will not sephiroth’s and her will was to bring back her fallen child, (you see the Jeanova vs Seph battle is a matter of opinion).
ACTUALLY, Kadaj THINKS he’s under Jenova’s will, when it’s actually Sephiroths.
Now alot of good his Jeanova Cell’s did him he still died like any other person and in DOC hasnt been hered of he is far from all powerful but im sure he will be back one day, but the truth is he was played by Genasis all up to this point everything he did or had done Genasis laid out the peices and now hold’s all the card’s.
Genesis isn’t THAT great, or else we would have seen him by now, I don’t remember Seeing Weiss OR Genesis creating their own life stream. They aren’t gods like Sephiroth was.
Seph fought Genasis he dident beat him but he could have haveing tried ill bet now Genasis has returned much like
sephiroth with J Cell’s so id say it’s even, but in the one year after AC new more powerful enemy’s emerged...Weiss haveing both J G Cell’s put’s him at an advantage in power not just in rank and has shown to be superior through feat’s, also he is part of Genasis master plan and with Omega he has obtained an indistructable body.
Actually, this doesn’t put him at any advantage. If so powerful he was, why is he under the influence of Jenova? There is nothing above Sephiroth’s will, so nothing can control him. Therefore his will > Weiss’s.
Sephiroth didn’t show us his full capabilities so you lost right there. He doesn’t have in indestructable body.
I hate correcting you but remember if Kadaj hadent absorbed Jeanova’s head there would be no Seph end of right lol, plus Geostigma was rooted out by the life stream so Seph needed Kadaj Loz and Yazzo very much to reform.
He only needed one, actually.
Unless you saw DOC were Vincent move’s way faster than Omni-Slash V5 cmon Chaos is the Heaven’s harbinger created to wipe out all life on earth for Omega, i dont think Cloud could do that or Sephiroth without Materia lol
Omnislash is actually in slow mo. So you can actually see what’s happening, didn’t you see the after images left by Cloud?
But did he wipe out all life? If so badass he was, why didn’t he single handedly pwn Sephiroth from VII then? Why did it take the WHOLE team to fight Sephiroth?
Also he never used Chaos pity but hey all us who played Dirge now no Vinnie was a real powerhouse (he sent Russo flying with his aura alone), plus Vinnie is mile’s more experianced than Cloud faster than Cloud and Stronger than Cloud in Chaos simple fact is if Cloud could beat Seph then there is noway Vinnie cant
Vins such a powerhouse he got the protomateria ripped from his testicles. Vincent got killed by Hojo, Reno has been fighting before Cloud, does that mean he could take Cloud too? Vincent is faster than Cloud? Why didn’t he even scratch Bahamut then? Sephiroth > Cloud > Vincent. You can believe what ever the hell you want.
Ehem again the creator’s marly surggest Seph as an iraplaceable part of FF7 and main antagonist he hasnt shown half the speed and power Dirge enemy’s poses Russo can multiply and move faster than i have ever seen sephiroth, Azul is seen knocking down 5 reinforced security door’s in one blow base form, Weiss practicaly disapear’s when he fight’s Chaos and flick’s Vincent’s bullet’s out of the air.
No suggestion, there is no one above him so be queit. Sephiroth is more powerful because the CREATORS says so, so anything Weiss can do, Sephiroth can do better. I suppose you’re gonna say Rosso would pwn Sephiroth too. Azul knocking down dorrs doesn’t compare to bringing down the top of a building with sheer will. Weiss got shot at first lmao.
There is an insane gap between Seph and Weiss here as he posseses both G and J Cell’s (he was born with his ability’s just like Nero then became a first Class SOLIDER then entered DG then became a Tsveit then an Emporer of all SOLIDER to boot (even restrictor feared him so much he had a virus put inside him that would kill him within three day’s if he ever struck him down, then had him chained to his throne lol).
Insane gap? Yeah I suppose the creators said Sephiroth is the most powerful by accident, they actually meant to say Weiss. You’re talking about fear? Read the G reports then. Doesn’t matter what cells Weiss had, he cant be all powerful if he relies on Omega.
Weiss backround say’s he EVOLVED from the Genasis program meaning he is superior to Genasis to clear the confushion and was given a perfect blend of J and G Cell’s showing he is also one with Jeanova.
Genesis is not on Sephiroth’s level.
As for DG all were First Class before joining DG they had their mind’s wiped and were throne into the DG training ground, basicaly their perpose now was to become the supream existence and to become mercyless killing machines for Shinra’s next step in total take over of the world.
Might have been first class, but they are not ELITLE, did you see Tifa and co making them their bitches?
Weiss holding the title of emporer mean’s he call’s the shot’s (even tho other Tsveit’s or DG troop’s may challenge him) what Weiss want’s all the other Tsveit’s desire hence “hail Weiss” even if he is going to summon Omega and drain all life from our planet they follow his order without question.
What has this got to do with anything. I could worship toilet roll, that doesnt make it all poweerful. And he still gets mind fucked by hojo lol.
DG is known pecificaly to house the strongest warrior’s on the planet Sephiroth is the face of Shinra were as DG it’s dark shadow.
Bollocks, if DG is so bad, why did they get their ass handed to them so easily? | | #131 28 Dec 2007 01:35 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | why is he under the influence of Jenova
That was supposed to say Hojo. | | #132 28 Dec 2007 03:27 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18 Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Buster Sword wrote:
FIRST OFF LMFAO @ CIDS PENIS, I’D KNOB SEPHYCOCK TOO LOL
Ehem apart from the fact he could not recreate himself...he NEEDED kadaj to get Jeanova to help bring him back lol.
Now look at it this way Kadaj say’s “its almost unbearable to think mother might want sephiroth more than..." Kadaj and co are ever working for mother’s will not sephiroth’s and her will was to bring back her fallen child, (you see the Jeanova vs Seph battle is a matter of opinion).
ACTUALLY, Kadaj THINKS he’s under Jenova’s will, when it’s actually Sephiroths.
Now alot of good his Jeanova Cell’s did him he still died like any other person and in DOC hasnt been hered of he is far from all powerful but im sure he will be back one day, but the truth is he was played by Genasis all up to this point everything he did or had done Genasis laid out the peices and now hold’s all the card’s.
Genesis isn’t THAT great, or else we would have seen him by now, I don’t remember Seeing Weiss OR Genesis creating their own life stream. They aren’t gods like Sephiroth was.
Seph fought Genasis he dident beat him but he could have haveing tried ill bet now Genasis has returned much like
sephiroth with J Cell’s so id say it’s even, but in the one year after AC new more powerful enemy’s emerged...Weiss haveing both J G Cell’s put’s him at an advantage in power not just in rank and has shown to be superior through feat’s, also he is part of Genasis master plan and with Omega he has obtained an indistructable body.
Actually, this doesn’t put him at any advantage. If so powerful he was, why is he under the influence of Jenova? There is nothing above Sephiroth’s will, so nothing can control him. Therefore his will > Weiss’s.
Sephiroth didn’t show us his full capabilities so you lost right there. He doesn’t have in indestructable body.
I hate correcting you but remember if Kadaj hadent absorbed Jeanova’s head there would be no Seph end of right lol, plus Geostigma was rooted out by the life stream so Seph needed Kadaj Loz and Yazzo very much to reform.
He only needed one, actually.
Unless you saw DOC were Vincent move’s way faster than Omni-Slash V5 cmon Chaos is the Heaven’s harbinger created to wipe out all life on earth for Omega, i dont think Cloud could do that or Sephiroth without Materia lol
Omnislash is actually in slow mo. So you can actually see what’s happening, didn’t you see the after images left by Cloud?
But did he wipe out all life? If so badass he was, why didn’t he single handedly pwn Sephiroth from VII then? Why did it take the WHOLE team to fight Sephiroth?
Also he never used Chaos pity but hey all us who played Dirge now no Vinnie was a real powerhouse (he sent Russo flying with his aura alone), plus Vinnie is mile’s more experianced than Cloud faster than Cloud and Stronger than Cloud in Chaos simple fact is if Cloud could beat Seph then there is noway Vinnie cant
Vins such a powerhouse he got the protomateria ripped from his testicles. Vincent got killed by Hojo, Reno has been fighting before Cloud, does that mean he could take Cloud too? Vincent is faster than Cloud? Why didn’t he even scratch Bahamut then? Sephiroth > Cloud > Vincent. You can believe what ever the hell you want.
Ehem again the creator’s marly surggest Seph as an iraplaceable part of FF7 and main antagonist he hasnt shown half the speed and power Dirge enemy’s poses Russo can multiply and move faster than i have ever seen sephiroth, Azul is seen knocking down 5 reinforced security door’s in one blow base form, Weiss practicaly disapear’s when he fight’s Chaos and flick’s Vincent’s bullet’s out of the air.
No suggestion, there is no one above him so be queit. Sephiroth is more powerful because the CREATORS says so, so anything Weiss can do, Sephiroth can do better. I suppose you’re gonna say Rosso would pwn Sephiroth too. Azul knocking down dorrs doesn’t compare to bringing down the top of a building with sheer will. Weiss got shot at first lmao.
There is an insane gap between Seph and Weiss here as he posseses both G and J Cell’s (he was born with his ability’s just like Nero then became a first Class SOLIDER then entered DG then became a Tsveit then an Emporer of all SOLIDER to boot (even restrictor feared him so much he had a virus put inside him that would kill him within three day’s if he ever struck him down, then had him chained to his throne lol).
Insane gap? Yeah I suppose the creators said Sephiroth is the most powerful by accident, they actually meant to say Weiss. You’re talking about fear? Read the G reports then. Doesn’t matter what cells Weiss had, he cant be all powerful if he relies on Omega.
Weiss backround say’s he EVOLVED from the Genasis program meaning he is superior to Genasis to clear the confushion and was given a perfect blend of J and G Cell’s showing he is also one with Jeanova.
Genesis is not on Sephiroth’s level.
As for DG all were First Class before joining DG they had their mind’s wiped and were throne into the DG training ground, basicaly their perpose now was to become the supream existence and to become mercyless killing machines for Shinra’s next step in total take over of the world.
Might have been first class, but they are not ELITLE, did you see Tifa and co making them their bitches?
Weiss holding the title of emporer mean’s he call’s the shot’s (even tho other Tsveit’s or DG troop’s may challenge him) what Weiss want’s all the other Tsveit’s desire hence “hail Weiss” even if he is going to summon Omega and drain all life from our planet they follow his order without question.
What has this got to do with anything. I could worship toilet roll, that doesnt make it all poweerful. And he still gets mind fucked by hojo lol.
DG is known pecificaly to house the strongest warrior’s on the planet Sephiroth is the face of Shinra were as DG it’s dark shadow.
Bollocks, if DG is so bad, why did they get their ass handed to them so easily?
1. were is your proof Jeanova wanted Seph back as her chosen child, what Kadaj say’s reflect’s that.
2. Have you ever heard of saveing the best for last, sure Seph was the big Cheese back in the day but all point’s to Genasis pulling the string’s Angeal and Seph went insane cus of him DG was born from him and now he is complete with J-Cell’s (i think their is much move to come from Gen and Weiss, and DOC was just the beginning) as for Godlike Genasis was busy reforming and obviously has some master plan conserning Weiss and Weiss went one better absorbing the pure stream and joining with Omega.
3. Actually Weiss isnt under Jeanova’s will...he broke Restrictor’s and Hojo’s and has never shown to be under her influance so Weiss>Sephiroth (the man is clearly unstable after Crisis Core i think he just went mad) Weiss has an indistructable body now after mirgeing with Omega who houses all the energy of earth.
4. He needed all if he wanted full power lol, why dident he just reform if so powerful he was, why did he vanish after omnislashed if so powerful he was why not avoid the omnislash if so fast he was why did he lose to Cloud a meta HUMAN if a Demi-God he truely was
5. Vincent dident pwn Seph because he couldent control Chaos or summon it at will, as seen in the opening of AC Vincent fought him in his normal Guise, and the fact is he could wipe out all life But Vinnie is a good guy and with the prota materia took control.
6. Vincent was ofguard when Hojo shot him and he and Renno wernt Meta Human’s like Cloud now is lol so Bullet Dodgeing is a little harder, as for bahamut Vincent was jumping all over it’s ass playing with it, bahamut couldent touch him and he is seen in the movie telling everyone its Cloud’s battle that and the fact he saved Cloud’s life Chaos>Weiss>Sephiroth>Vincent>Cloud
7. The Creators said he can never be replaced as the main protagonist prove me wrong, as for sephiroth anyone stronger than Cloud faster than Cloud and more skilled can beat Sephiroth Weiss and Chaos.
8. you clearly dont know what your on about the creator’s never said Seph was the strongest so give up without proof and Weiss wanted to be the supream existence houseing all the power on earth and haveing an indistructable body seem’s like a worthwhile goal for someone like that.
9. Gen is ubove Seph’s level dude a good fighter know’s his pysical and mental limitations were as a great fighter will figure a way around them Gen did this he knew what he lacked and how to obtain it, he also delt with Seph and Angeal sending them mad and basicaly lined event’s in his favour his cunning and genius shold not go undermined.
10. yea i saw Cloud and Tifa fighting some and that is impressive but when you have fought Sephiroth lol...
11. What im saying is despite death their loyalty was to Weiss and weiss got rid of Hojo...
12. They dident they would have won if it wasnt for Chaos stoping Omega and weiss---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | #133 28 Dec 2007 06:02 pm |
Ramirez Guest | Point 7 and possible the Answer to your statement of saying what you think the Creators Said
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=920785&topic=28482965 < Website
Q: Anything from the Japanese versions that the NTSC and PAL versions didn’t get aside from Last Order and the memorabilia?
A: Yes. There was no director commentary audio track on the NTSC and PAL versions, which the Japanese versions did have. It actually offered quite a bit of important information concerning the story, including the name of Cloud’s new sword set, “how powerful Sephiroth’s will is considered to be (greater than anyone else’s, actually)" and the meaning behind a few things that show up in the film. There’s a link to a site with a translation of that commentary within this FAQ.
They went on to say That the will of Sephiroth is Greater then anyone else The quote i stated in my first post was the English Translation, Its Cannon... Deal with it
As for Who controls who of Jenova and Sephiroth
Q: Why does Kadaj turn into Sephiroth?
A: As said, Kadaj is a manifestation of Sephiroth’s spirit and will. Combining Sephiroth’s spirit with Jenova cells (which are basically Sephiroth’s body) brought him back to life.
Notice keywords “Jenova Cells are basically Sephiroths Body”
Theres also plenty of other information too there if you want to brush up your knowledge, Words Directly From the Creators  and i feel there opinion of whos the strongest > yours
I can link you a million more links to the Creators Statement = “Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him." its cannon end of story, if you really want to prove me wrong then link me what you think they said | | #134 28 Dec 2007 08:01 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | Dude i know Sephiroth is in control of Jeanova i just thought id point out he is never stated to be the strongest here is the link to the Ultimania basicaly all one need’s.
http://uk.faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html
***Sephiroth’s will and Jenova’s will*** (Page 53)
The Sephiroth clones seen in various locations continue gathering for the
Reunion. Seemingly, the will of Jenova as a human is the result of it
consuming Sephiroth’s spirit; in actuality, Sephiroth is controlling Jenova.
that alone is proof Seph controls Jeanova just wanted to see you prove your worth as a debator.
oh and this is about Cloud vs Sephiroth:
-It’s said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn’t.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn’t sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn’t even trying
hard. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described
by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion. ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | #135 29 Dec 2007 07:35 am |
Beatrix Guest | Very Interesting read, thanks for that, the bit about the connection of FFX and FF7 was very interesting.
Well since its stated in the Ultimania that Sephiroth never gave it all then is enough proof of his power. So you cant genralise that Wiess is better since we havnt seen what Sephiroth is fully Capable of yet, As far as we know if Sephiroth Tried then he too prob could Move so fast you couldnt see him or have such Strength that he could Quake the Earth, we dont know his full power.... yet.
I think the best way too look at is Sephiroth has a big thing for Cloud and he wants to humilate him just like how he was humilated at the mako reactor in nibillium. But if Sephiroth was to fight anyone other then Cloud then he would Most likely go for the kill asap simply because there not on his to do list lol | | #136 29 Dec 2007 03:23 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | well he really should have avoided Omni Slash if he had the ability to do so, so far DG showed more impessive than the Roth so far...but the future could hold impressive development. ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | #137 29 Dec 2007 05:30 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | 1. were is your proof Jeanova wanted Seph back as her chosen child, what Kadaj say’s reflect’s that.
It’s got nothing to do with what Jenova wants, it’s Sephiroth pulling the strings, when combined who did it turn to, did Kadaj stay as Kadaj? No! Because Sephiroth himself wanted himself back.
2. Have you ever heard of saveing the best for last, sure Seph was the big Cheese back in the day but all point’s to Genasis pulling the string’s Angeal and Seph went insane cus of him DG was born from him and now he is complete with J-Cell’s (i think their is much move to come from Gen and Weiss, and DOC was just the beginning) as for Godlike Genasis was busy reforming and obviously has some master plan conserning Weiss and Weiss went one better absorbing the pure stream and joining with Omega.
It’s got nothing to do with back in the day. What has Genesis pulling the strings got anything to do with him overpowering Sephiroth? I thought Genesis had G substance, not j cells. But either way Sephiroth in AC was made up of COMPLETE J cells. Nobody else has that concentration. Genesis was busy reforming? Why was he reforming in the first place, was it because he got beaten? Weiss absorbing the life stream, wow, I forgot Sephiroth made his own. Omfg Cloud survived Mako piosoning.
3. Actually Weiss isnt under Jeanova’s will...he broke Restrictor’s and Hojo’s and has never shown to be under her influance so Weiss>Sephiroth (the man is clearly unstable after Crisis Core i think he just went mad) Weiss has an indistructable body now after mirgeing with Omega who houses all the energy of earth.
Didn’t you read my edit? I meant to say Hojo, which is actually even worse than being under Jenova’s influence. AC Sephiroth was under jenova’s influence? Where did you dig that one from? Being unstable doesn’t make him less powerful, if anything it makes him more dangerous. Indestructable? Where does it say Weiss is indestructable? The fact is he still lost to fucking Vincent. So indestructable or not, he’s very beatable.
4. He needed all if he wanted full power lol, why dident he just reform if so powerful he was, why did he vanish after omnislashed if so powerful he was why not avoid the omnislash if so fast he was why did he lose to Cloud a meta HUMAN if a Demi-God he truely was
No he didn’t, Sephiroth’s power, it’s nothing to do with maths. Sephiroth DID reform, what the hell are you on about. Why did he die after omnislash? This is you playing down Omnislash as just some random six slices. I weep that you don’t know the power of this move, and even worse you’re usiing it to make as thoug Sephiroth sucked. Omnislash is the single most powerful move displayed on VII. You under-estimate omnislash GRAVELY. Just because he’s human that doesn’t mean Cloud is a push over, this HUMAN kept up with Sephiroth, jumping sky scraper heights.
5. Vincent dident pwn Seph because he couldent control Chaos or summon it at will, as seen in the opening of AC Vincent fought him in his normal Guise, and the fact is he could wipe out all life But Vinnie is a good guy and with the prota materia took control.
Oh don’t give me that bullshit, I could easily say Cloud didn’t pwn Weiss because he didn’t want to. But the fact is Cloud was doing something else to HELP Vincent. Vincent fought Sephiroth with the ENTIRE TEAM and it was still a struggle, now take everyone bar Vincent from that team and see how long he lasts, oh and btw AC Sephiroth > Safer Sephiroth. Vincent could wipe out all life, why didn’t he pwn Sephiroth or Bahamut then? Oh Vinne is the good guy, is that your excuse for him not being as badass as you claim.
6. Vincent was ofguard when Hojo shot him and he and Renno wernt Meta Human’s like Cloud now is lol so Bullet Dodgeing is a little harder, as for bahamut Vincent was jumping all over it’s ass playing with it, bahamut couldent touch him and he is seen in the movie telling everyone its Cloud’s battle that and the fact he saved Cloud’s life Chaos>Weiss>Sephiroth>Vincent>Cloud
Off guard? Or was he simply not fast enough? Vincent didn’t have any power surge between the time he got pwned by Hojo and the time Cloud woke him. You just admitted Vincent is not meta human. Vincent was playing with it? A massive dragon like being, just blew the shit out of a monument statue, eating people, and Vincent was PLAYING with it? That is as bad as saying Sephiroth was playing with Cloud. Vincents bullets were doing fuck all to Bahamut. Bahamut wasn’t toughing Vincent, but Vincent was sure as hell not doiing anything either, why did you even think they left it to Cloud? Because they couldn’t handle it. OMFG Tifa says they aren’t as good as they used to be, did you forget that too? I could easily say Vincent was scared, but I don’t make up shit. He save Cloud’s life but he didn’t actually beat Kadaj and co, so speculation, speculation, speculation.
7. The Creators said he can never be replaced as the main protagonist prove me wrong, as for sephiroth anyone stronger than Cloud faster than Cloud and more skilled can beat Sephiroth Weiss and Chaos.
Actually, Sephiroth is an ANTAGONIST! Clearly if you don’t know what Sephiroth even is, what the hell would you know about his power? xD Sephiroth IS more powerful, why do you ignore this, they say so, you just wish Vincent was so bad. Actually, Cloud is above Weiss and Chaos.
8. you clearly dont know what your on about the creator’s never said Seph was the strongest so give up without proof and Weiss wanted to be the supream existence houseing all the power on earth and haveing an indistructable body seem’s like a worthwhile goal for someone like that.
What the fuck? There’s no proof?
What Weiss wanted and what Weiss did are completely different. I stress again Weiss got beaten by Vincent, I’ll say no more.
9. Gen is ubove Seph’s level dude a good fighter know’s his pysical and mental limitations were as a great fighter will figure a way around them Gen did this he knew what he lacked and how to obtain it, he also delt with Seph and Angeal sending them mad and basicaly lined event’s in his favour his cunning and genius shold not go undermined.
By your logic, Cloud is more powerful than Sephiroth then. So you’re using Genesis’s tack ticks to say that he’s more powerful? Genesis is not gonna have time to think of plans in a random battle, unless he goes all out omnislash, which is a move he doesn’t have. And what Sephiroth thoughout the events of VII is inferior? Genesis dealt with them? How so? Did he knock six shits through them?
10. yea i saw Cloud and Tifa fighting some and that is impressive but when you have fought Sephiroth lol...
So therefore the DGers aren’t so badass if Tifa can make them look worse than a stuffed mog. Aren’t so powerful now, are they?
11. What im saying is despite death their loyalty was to Weiss and weiss got rid of Hojo...
If he was so powerful, he shouldn’t have gotten manipulated in the first place.
12. They dident they would have won if it wasnt for Chaos stoping Omega and weiss
And Chaos wouldn’t even exist if Cloud didn’t beat Sephiroth. So the heroes are just gonna watch the world end then, yeah right.
It’s said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn’t.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn’t sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn’t even trying
hard. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described
by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion.
And we have a winner, someone who uses a interpretation of the UO (which is massive Sephiroth fan fucking hyperbole) and ignores the actual content of the UO. You’re telling me about the UO when you’re not even reading it yourself. You just handed me victory. | | #138 29 Dec 2007 06:00 pm |
Buster Sword Guest | Vincent didn’t have any power surge between the time he got pwned by Hojo and the time Cloud woke him.
That’s my bad. He did have Hojo’s fingers all over him. But the fact still remains, he is below Sephiroth. | | #139 02 Jan 2008 06:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 18Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 3,621 OFFLINE | sorry just been busy in the new year so i completely forgot what we were debateing, Vincent vs Sephiroth hmmm
well sad truth is that Seph never showed full power but still his ultimate weakness is his ability to hold back and underestimate his oponent, if useing AC Sephiroth then he screw’s himself as he could not avoid Omni-Slash vertion 5 and later in DOC Vincent is seen moveing way faster.
As for strenth Seph can match Cloud lifting really big sword’s but Vincent is seen lifting Azul’s weapon a Tank Turret witch must way somewere over a ton and a half then impale’s Azul with it.
If this is normal Vinnie then the Roth pwn’s him but bringing Chaos into the fight shift’s the tables alittle in Vinnie’s favor.
i think thats were we got too? ---
“It is better to die on your feet like a man, than to live life on your knee’s like a fucking dog" | | #140 04 Jan 2008 04:43 am |
Buster Sword Guest | sorry just been busy in the new year so i completely forgot what we were debateing, Vincent vs Sephiroth hmmm
It’s cool lol. Have a nice new year?
well sad truth is that Seph never showed full power but still his ultimate weakness is his ability to hold back and underestimate his oponent, if useing AC Sephiroth then he screw’s himself as he could not avoid Omni-Slash vertion 5 and later in DOC Vincent is seen moveing way faster.
Sephiroth showed is full physical force actually, just didn’t show is full spiritual force. He only underestimated Cloud, so that one is out of the window. He could not avoid omnislash because it’s WAY faster than bullets. It’s shown in slow mo so the viewers can see Sephiroth getting pwned.
You’re logic is like saying Darth maul is more Powerful than Vader, just because he 'appears' faster. We see Loz moving at insane speeds too (which is pretty much the same as DoC), but he’s still not faster than Cloud because he’s less powerful. Cloud can deal with things faster than Loz, Sephiroth.
As for strenth Seph can match Cloud lifting really big sword’s but Vincent is seen lifting Azul’s weapon a Tank Turret witch must way somewere over a ton and a half then impale’s Azul with it.
Their strength is not determined by the heaviness of the sword, it’s what they do with the sword. And Sephiroth is leagues stronger than Cloud. You forget that Sephiroth and Cloud can cut buildings with ease.
If this is normal Vinnie then the Roth pwn’s him but bringing Chaos into the fight shift’s the tables alittle in Vinnie’s favor.
Chaos couldn’t even beat Cloud. | | |
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