sorry just been busy in the new year so i completely forgot what we were debateing, Vincent vs Sephiroth hmmm
It’s cool lol. Have a nice new year?
well sad truth is that Seph never showed full power but still his ultimate weakness is his ability to hold back and underestimate his oponent, if useing AC Sephiroth then he screw’s himself as he could not avoid Omni-Slash vertion 5 and later in DOC Vincent is seen moveing way faster.
Sephiroth showed is full physical force actually, just didn’t show is full spiritual force. He only underestimated Cloud, so that one is out of the window. He could not avoid omnislash because it’s WAY faster than bullets. It’s shown in slow mo so the viewers can see Sephiroth getting pwned.
You’re logic is like saying Darth maul is more Powerful than Vader, just because he 'appears' faster. We see Loz moving at insane speeds too (which is pretty much the same as DoC), but he’s still not faster than Cloud because he’s less powerful. Cloud can deal with things faster than Loz, Sephiroth.
As for strenth Seph can match Cloud lifting really big sword’s but Vincent is seen lifting Azul’s weapon a Tank Turret witch must way somewere over a ton and a half then impale’s Azul with it.
Their strength is not determined by the heaviness of the sword, it’s what they do with the sword. And Sephiroth is leagues stronger than Cloud. You forget that Sephiroth and Cloud can cut buildings with ease.
If this is normal Vinnie then the Roth pwn’s him but bringing Chaos into the fight shift’s the tables alittle in Vinnie’s favor.
Chaos couldn’t even beat Cloud.
1. yea it was awsome ur’s?
2. Cloud get’s raped by Loz useing his speed when they fight even in the tunnel Cloud can’t quight keep up and is seen getting knocked around by Loz, but more importantly Vincent move’s even faster still disapearing from veiw completely, Darth Maul was faster than Vader...just not as strong with the Force...lol Lz isnt as fast as Cloud cus he isnt as powerful did you say well truth is Loz is very much faster than Cloud but not as skilled that was his downfall.
3. That is their weapon’s sharpness they kind of burn through the building’s as you see in AC (their is a red firey glow when they slice through object’s) so it dousent require a great deal of strenth when your weapon is that dam sharp lol, fact remain’s Vinnie can lift more waight with just as much ease.
4. Chaos is shown to be stronger faster more agile and manoverable than Cloud, his weapon can go toe to toe with blade’s and is great for long range fighting (Gun pwn’s Sword) he fought much harder opponent’s thn Cloud and prevailed Cloud had more of a lucky break against a non full powered Sephie.
And on the subject Seph dousent really display alot more power than previous form’s throughout Crisis Core FF7 and AC as i dont think anyone has challenged him enough to have to use his up most ability.
From what we know Vincent and Weiss have shown to be ubove both the Roth and Cloud without speculation and the best part is Vincent dident seem to be trying as hard against Weiss as Cloud against a Seph holding back.
Vincent and Weiss Respect over Seph and Cloud:
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2. Cloud get’s raped by Loz useing his speed when they fight even in the tunnel Cloud can’t quight keep up and is seen getting knocked around by Loz, but more importantly Vincent move’s even faster still disapearing from veiw completely, Darth Maul was faster than Vader...just not as strong with the Force...lol Lz isnt as fast as Cloud cus he isnt as powerful did you say well truth is Loz is very much faster than Cloud but not as skilled that was his downfall.
Yes but did you see it when he beat Loz AND Yazoo, (loz used is speed attack and Cloud stopped him). Darth Maul isn’t faster than Vader on Episode 3. AND the old star wars are 20yrs old, so that doesn’t really reflect the speed. Epidoe 1 fighting is faster because it’s newer.
So Cloud did cope with Loz’z speed in the, and being more powerful means you surpass them in every way.
. That is their weapon’s sharpness they kind of burn through the building’s as you see in AC (their is a red firey glow when they slice through object’s) so it dousent require a great deal of strenth when your weapon is that dam sharp lol, fact remain’s Vinnie can lift more waight with just as much ease
LMAO, you think because the wepons are 'sharp' that’s the reason for them cutting the buildings? They set on fire BECAUSE of the power used when slicing. It does require strength to own those buildings, dare you say Tifa could do the same. DARE YOU LOL.
Vincent is not stronger than Sephiroth OR Cloud, so whatever with ease fails, don’t you read the UO? Nobody is stronger than Sephiroth.
. Chaos is shown to be stronger faster more agile and manoverable than Cloud, his weapon can go toe to toe with blade’s and is great for long range fighting (Gun pwn’s Sword) he fought much harder opponent’s thn Cloud and prevailed Cloud had more of a lucky break against a non full powered Sephie.
Much harder opponents? You’re comparing fucking Rosso to Kadaj now? Fact is she ran away from fucking Yuffie. Loz onwed the hell out of Tifa. So don’t play the fought harder opponents. It doesnt matter if it wa a lucky break or not, he was toe on toe with him.
nd on the subject Seph dousent really display alot more power than previous form’s throughout Crisis Core FF7 and AC as i dont think anyone has challenged him enough to have to use his up most ability.
So because he didn’t display it, he’s no more powerful?
Actually he fought properly at the end of VII, but he lost. SE say AC is his most powerful form so AC Sephiroth > Anything.
From what we know Vincent and Weiss have shown to be ubove both the Roth and Cloud without speculation and the best part is Vincent dident seem to be trying as hard against Weiss as Cloud against a Seph holding back.
Vincent and Weiss Respect over Seph and Cloud:
They aren’t above Roth and Cloud because SE say there is nothing above Roth, so your speculation is out of the window there. What are you on about, Vincent had to transform to beat a NORMAL WEISS. Doesn’t seem to be trying? Well Omega Weiss must be totally crapper than you said.
It doesn’t matter what footage you show me, the creators said no one is above Sephiroth, so what ever they can do, he betters, Cloud is above them because he was toe on toe with the powerfullest being AND won.
2. Cloud get’s raped by Loz useing his speed when they fight even in the tunnel Cloud can’t quight keep up and is seen getting knocked around by Loz, but more importantly Vincent move’s even faster still disapearing from veiw completely, Darth Maul was faster than Vader...just not as strong with the Force...lol Lz isnt as fast as Cloud cus he isnt as powerful did you say well truth is Loz is very much faster than Cloud but not as skilled that was his downfall.
Yes but did you see it when he beat Loz AND Yazoo, (loz used is speed attack and Cloud stopped him). Darth Maul isn’t faster than Vader on Episode 3. AND the old star wars are 20yrs old, so that doesn’t really reflect the speed. Epidoe 1 fighting is faster because it’s newer.
So Cloud did cope with Loz’z speed in the, and being more powerful means you surpass them in every way.
. That is their weapon’s sharpness they kind of burn through the building’s as you see in AC (their is a red firey glow when they slice through object’s) so it dousent require a great deal of strenth when your weapon is that dam sharp lol, fact remain’s Vinnie can lift more waight with just as much ease
LMAO, you think because the wepons are 'sharp' that’s the reason for them cutting the buildings? They set on fire BECAUSE of the power used when slicing. It does require strength to own those buildings, dare you say Tifa could do the same. DARE YOU LOL.
Vincent is not stronger than Sephiroth OR Cloud, so whatever with ease fails, don’t you read the UO? Nobody is stronger than Sephiroth.
. Chaos is shown to be stronger faster more agile and manoverable than Cloud, his weapon can go toe to toe with blade’s and is great for long range fighting (Gun pwn’s Sword) he fought much harder opponent’s thn Cloud and prevailed Cloud had more of a lucky break against a non full powered Sephie.
Much harder opponents? You’re comparing fucking Rosso to Kadaj now? Fact is she ran away from fucking Yuffie. Loz onwed the hell out of Tifa. So don’t play the fought harder opponents. It doesnt matter if it wa a lucky break or not, he was toe on toe with him.
nd on the subject Seph dousent really display alot more power than previous form’s throughout Crisis Core FF7 and AC as i dont think anyone has challenged him enough to have to use his up most ability.
So because he didn’t display it, he’s no more powerful?
Actually he fought properly at the end of VII, but he lost. SE say AC is his most powerful form so AC Sephiroth > Anything.
From what we know Vincent and Weiss have shown to be ubove both the Roth and Cloud without speculation and the best part is Vincent dident seem to be trying as hard against Weiss as Cloud against a Seph holding back.
Vincent and Weiss Respect over Seph and Cloud:
They aren’t above Roth and Cloud because SE say there is nothing above Roth, so your speculation is out of the window there. What are you on about, Vincent had to transform to beat a NORMAL WEISS. Doesn’t seem to be trying? Well Omega Weiss must be totally crapper than you said.
It doesn’t matter what footage you show me, the creators said no one is above Sephiroth, so what ever they can do, he betters, Cloud is above them because he was toe on toe with the powerfullest being AND won.
1. No Loz was seen shooting around batting Cloud all over with his speed witch Sephiroth lacked, what are you talking about Star Wars for...
2. “sigh” yes give Tifa Barret Vincent the same sword and they would also cut through building’s (the fire lineing is the sharpness the blade’s must be like HF and sharp as hell).
3. lol Vincent is stronger than both proven through actual feat’s the UO say’s Seph is iraplaceable as the main antagonist of FF7 Vincent is not an antagonist hence this nullify’s him.
And since Seph wasnt at his best we dont no what he can really do all we no is Vinnie and Weiss showed alittle more in depth on what a charicter can really do in FF7.
The fact Cloud was toyed with by a weakened not at his best Sephiroth only prove’s that he is inferior, Vinnie and Weiss were both faster and stronger as shown (Seph couldent move to avoid the Omni Slash Weiss and Vincent are seen exceeding these speed’s)
So mabe Seph is the strongest but not in AC were he isnt complete Chaos and Omega quake theplanet when they collide AC Seph showed nothing close in all respect, my final point is Seph being awsome dousent say much for Cloud he held back to torture Cloud Weiss and Chaos went for the kill that is why they exceed him, because he was playing with Cloud who fall’s behind them here.
4. Have you played DOC Yuffie run’s in and save’s vinnie who has had half his cheast tore out and run’s away Russo would have gladly fought (and most likely killed her) she fought Cloud dude so did Kadaj simple thing to note is Coud did not defeat her he beat Kadaj so he is likewise inferior Azul would have crushed Loz and Nero would have swallowed Cloud in Darkness, Weiss can fight 3 Russo and Transformed Azul with 1 arm before becomeing Omega Weiss what douse that say about Cloud...Vincent however beat this guy allout.
The fact remain’s even not at his best Seph kicked Cloud’s ass and is sorly outclassed in most term’s of DoC.
5. Im just saying Sephiroth hasnt been pushed any further by Cloud since FF7 (Tifa said he had his old strenth back) and in FF7 he fought all of them anyway so he most likely wouldent have tried in AC as Cloud wasnt stronger than the whole team combined who had apparently gotten weaker.
6. A fully powered Roth remain’s to be seen but as for AC oth their is plenty of evidence to surport Chaos is well ubove him in that form, and you forget despite Cloud being weaker than that (AC) incarnation he is indeed below Sephiroth well below along with many others.
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#144
08 Jan 2008 07:09 am
Buster Sword
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1. No Loz was seen shooting around batting Cloud all over with his speed witch Sephiroth lacked, what are you talking about Star Wars for...
No, he actually used his speed attack, JUST before he got beaten by Cloud. Sephiroth didn’t use his speed, so how did he get to the Midgar building so fast? And even inside the building he used his uncanny speed.
I used star wars because just because the phantom menace is newer doesn’t make the characters better fighters.
2. “sigh” yes give Tifa Barret Vincent the same sword and they would also cut through building’s (the fire lineing is the sharpness the blade’s must be like HF and sharp as hell).
No they couldn’t because they aren’t on Sephiroth’s or Cloud’s level of strength, you’re saying Vincent is stronger than Cloud now? It’s nothing to do with sharpness, remember how Tifa nailed the bench what Loz chucked at her? Did she have a sword?
3. lol Vincent is stronger than both proven through actual feat’s the UO say’s Seph is iraplaceable as the main antagonist of FF7 Vincent is not an antagonist hence this nullify’s him.
THAT IS BULLSHIT, SE SAY THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE SEPHIROTH, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO OR WHAT THEY WANTED TO REPLACE, SE SAID NO ONE IS ABOVE SEPHIROTH.
And since Seph wasnt at his best we dont no what he can really do all we no is Vinnie and Weiss showed alittle more in depth on what a charicter can really do in FF7.
No, he used his physical feats, he just didn’t use his magic and other abilities
The fact Cloud was toyed with by a weakened not at his best Sephiroth only prove’s that he is inferior, Vinnie and Weiss were both faster and stronger as shown (Seph couldent move to avoid the Omni Slash Weiss and Vincent are seen exceeding these speed’s)
Sephiroth, did not toy with Cloud. SE NEVER said he was 'playing' And AC Sephiroth is the most powerful Sephiroth. So he wasn’t weakened at all. Sephiroth couldn’t evade Omnislash because it was FASTER than Bullets, way faster, don’t you get it, what ever any of the characters can do, Sephiroth can do better, Zack dodges bullets with ease. Sephiroth is faster than Zack, ALOT faster, so it would take something faster than a bullet for him to not evade it.
So mabe Seph is the strongest but not in AC were he isnt complete Chaos and Omega quake theplanet when they collide AC Seph showed nothing close in all respect, my final point is Seph being awsome dousent say much for Cloud he held back to torture Cloud Weiss and Chaos went for the kill that is why they exceed him, because he was playing with Cloud who fall’s behind them here.
Sephiroth was at FULL Strength. They didn’t quake the planet when they collided, it was ennergy that was released.
Sephiroth didn’t explode, he just faded, that has nothing to do with his power level. Sephiorth didn’t toy with Cloud damnit. Sephiroth underestimate Cloud because he knew how much more powerful he was, Sephiroths arrogance has nothing to do with his strength.
Have you played DOC Yuffie run’s in and save’s vinnie who has had half his cheast tore out and run’s away Russo would have gladly fought (and most likely killed her) she fought Cloud dude so did Kadaj simple thing to note is Coud did not defeat her he beat Kadaj so he is likewise inferior Azul would have crushed Loz and Nero would have swallowed Cloud in Darkness, Weiss can fight 3 Russo and Transformed Azul with 1 arm before becomeing Omega Weiss what douse that say about Cloud...Vincent however beat this guy allout.
HAHAHAHA Have you read the UO? They said that Vincent’s body was indestructable, or near. Why did someone as weak aa Rosso make a hole in his chest? How do you know Rosso would beAT Yuffie, she got beaten by Vincent, there you go. Stop lying you don’t know what happened between the two, so don’t say that Rosso > Kadaj because she wasn’t dead, I could easily say that they got separated but I don’t because I don’t know.
Vincet couldn’t handle normal Weiss, he had to transform.
The fact remain’s even not at his best Seph kicked Cloud’s ass and is sorly outclassed in most term’s of DoC.
You’re very stubborn. Sephiroth > Everyone.
Im just saying Sephiroth hasnt been pushed any further by Cloud since FF7 (Tifa said he had his old strenth back) and in FF7 he fought all of them anyway so he most likely wouldent have tried in AC as Cloud wasnt stronger than the whole team combined who had apparently gotten weaker.
Yes he had his old strenght back, BUT he exceeded it. Sephiroth even says it DUH. Stop lying about Sephiroth not trying, you have no proof other than your opinion. The whole team got weaker while Cloud got stronger.
A fully powered Roth remain’s to be seen but as for AC oth their is plenty of evidence to surport Chaos is well ubove him in that form, and you forget despite Cloud being weaker than that (AC) incarnation he is indeed below Sephiroth well below along with many others.
HE IS FULLY POWERED, HE JUST DOESN’T USE ALL OF THE POWER HE HAS e.g. materia etc (he doesn’t even need materia for magic).
You talking bullshit when SE said themselves that no body is above Sephiroth. Do you even read what I said?
AC Sephiroth > AC Cloud > pretty much everybody else
#145
08 Jan 2008 09:44 am
Lathen Hide
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Buster Sword wrote:
1. No Loz was seen shooting around batting Cloud all over with his speed witch Sephiroth lacked, what are you talking about Star Wars for...
No, he actually used his speed attack, JUST before he got beaten by Cloud. Sephiroth didn’t use his speed, so how did he get to the Midgar building so fast? And even inside the building he used his uncanny speed.
I used star wars because just because the phantom menace is newer doesn’t make the characters better fighters.
2. “sigh” yes give Tifa Barret Vincent the same sword and they would also cut through building’s (the fire lineing is the sharpness the blade’s must be like HF and sharp as hell).
No they couldn’t because they aren’t on Sephiroth’s or Cloud’s level of strength, you’re saying Vincent is stronger than Cloud now? It’s nothing to do with sharpness, remember how Tifa nailed the bench what Loz chucked at her? Did she have a sword?
3. lol Vincent is stronger than both proven through actual feat’s the UO say’s Seph is iraplaceable as the main antagonist of FF7 Vincent is not an antagonist hence this nullify’s him.
THAT IS BULLSHIT, SE SAY THAT NO ONE IS ABOVE SEPHIROTH, IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO OR WHAT THEY WANTED TO REPLACE, SE SAID NO ONE IS ABOVE SEPHIROTH.
And since Seph wasnt at his best we dont no what he can really do all we no is Vinnie and Weiss showed alittle more in depth on what a charicter can really do in FF7.
No, he used his physical feats, he just didn’t use his magic and other abilities
The fact Cloud was toyed with by a weakened not at his best Sephiroth only prove’s that he is inferior, Vinnie and Weiss were both faster and stronger as shown (Seph couldent move to avoid the Omni Slash Weiss and Vincent are seen exceeding these speed’s)
Sephiroth, did not toy with Cloud. SE NEVER said he was 'playing' And AC Sephiroth is the most powerful Sephiroth. So he wasn’t weakened at all. Sephiroth couldn’t evade Omnislash because it was FASTER than Bullets, way faster, don’t you get it, what ever any of the characters can do, Sephiroth can do better, Zack dodges bullets with ease. Sephiroth is faster than Zack, ALOT faster, so it would take something faster than a bullet for him to not evade it.
So mabe Seph is the strongest but not in AC were he isnt complete Chaos and Omega quake theplanet when they collide AC Seph showed nothing close in all respect, my final point is Seph being awsome dousent say much for Cloud he held back to torture Cloud Weiss and Chaos went for the kill that is why they exceed him, because he was playing with Cloud who fall’s behind them here.
Sephiroth was at FULL Strength. They didn’t quake the planet when they collided, it was ennergy that was released.
Sephiroth didn’t explode, he just faded, that has nothing to do with his power level. Sephiorth didn’t toy with Cloud damnit. Sephiroth underestimate Cloud because he knew how much more powerful he was, Sephiroths arrogance has nothing to do with his strength.
Have you played DOC Yuffie run’s in and save’s vinnie who has had half his cheast tore out and run’s away Russo would have gladly fought (and most likely killed her) she fought Cloud dude so did Kadaj simple thing to note is Coud did not defeat her he beat Kadaj so he is likewise inferior Azul would have crushed Loz and Nero would have swallowed Cloud in Darkness, Weiss can fight 3 Russo and Transformed Azul with 1 arm before becomeing Omega Weiss what douse that say about Cloud...Vincent however beat this guy allout.
HAHAHAHA Have you read the UO? They said that Vincent’s body was indestructable, or near. Why did someone as weak aa Rosso make a hole in his chest? How do you know Rosso would beAT Yuffie, she got beaten by Vincent, there you go. Stop lying you don’t know what happened between the two, so don’t say that Rosso > Kadaj because she wasn’t dead, I could easily say that they got separated but I don’t because I don’t know.
Vincet couldn’t handle normal Weiss, he had to transform.
The fact remain’s even not at his best Seph kicked Cloud’s ass and is sorly outclassed in most term’s of DoC.
You’re very stubborn. Sephiroth > Everyone.
Im just saying Sephiroth hasnt been pushed any further by Cloud since FF7 (Tifa said he had his old strenth back) and in FF7 he fought all of them anyway so he most likely wouldent have tried in AC as Cloud wasnt stronger than the whole team combined who had apparently gotten weaker.
Yes he had his old strenght back, BUT he exceeded it. Sephiroth even says it DUH. Stop lying about Sephiroth not trying, you have no proof other than your opinion. The whole team got weaker while Cloud got stronger.
A fully powered Roth remain’s to be seen but as for AC oth their is plenty of evidence to surport Chaos is well ubove him in that form, and you forget despite Cloud being weaker than that (AC) incarnation he is indeed below Sephiroth well below along with many others.
HE IS FULLY POWERED, HE JUST DOESN’T USE ALL OF THE POWER HE HAS e.g. materia etc (he doesn’t even need materia for magic).
You talking bullshit when SE said themselves that no body is above Sephiroth. Do you even read what I said?
AC Sephiroth > AC Cloud > pretty much everybody else
Wow douse this guy ever stop talking ball’s or what lol,
1. ...Sephiroth dident seem all that fast to me apart from when he was flying but still Loz moved faster that much is clear.
2. Vincent is stronger than Cloud lol (he is seen in DoC kicking a lion Beast over a cliff...) he has been Mako argumented not to mention he is one with Chaos, and Tifa is weaker in AC when she busted that bench so yea give them a big sharp sword and they could easily do the same.
3. Square Enix never said that lol your the one who is full of shit lol, Kyle is right they say he cannot be REPLACED as the main baddie nothing about ultimate existence (he is constantly outdone in DoC).
4. If you truely belive that was Sephiroth’s full pysical feat’s considering his power was cut (he was missing Yazzo and Loz) then you need help Sephiroth dousent have materia hence no magic unless he forged them in the lifestream (in anycase he never used them so im assumeing he dident).
5. lmao if Sephiroth truely was better than everyone that’s cloud aswell who beat him with the speed of the Omni-Slash witch he should have avoided if he was all powerful...god ur such a dumbass i swear (wow he is faster than Zack).
6. omg really dude have you played DoC Yuffie ran away from Russo who fought Cloud unscathed...Kadaj pwned by Cloud Russo fine there is a differance and Vincent beat her in normal form (and Azul’s normal state) so it’s pretty safe to assume he is on par with Cloud without use of Chaos, Kadaj Loz Yazzo showed nothing on the DG troop’s dude not a dam thing, and it show’s the earth quake as Chaos meet’s with Omega in the sky witch is in anycase way more impressive than...“i will not become a memory”.
Now you kinda go on about how Cloud and Seph own everyone despite never showing anything to surpport this, feat’s pwn opinion deal with it
#146
08 Jan 2008 07:33 pm
Buster Sword
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Wow douse this guy ever stop talking ball’s or what lol,
WOW, you don’t even know what the UO is.
1. ...Sephiroth dident seem all that fast to me apart from when he was flying but still Loz moved faster that much is clear.
It doesn’t matter what Sephiroth did or didn’t do. So you didn’t see him when he moved into the building? You need to slow mo it or get new eyes.
2. Vincent is stronger than Cloud lol (he is seen in DoC kicking a lion Beast over a cliff...) he has been Mako argumented not to mention he is one with Chaos, and Tifa is weaker in AC when she busted that bench so yea give them a big sharp sword and they could easily do the same.
Cloud knocked Bahamut to the ground, omfg a beast, oh wow.
It doesn’t matter what augmentations he has, Cloud had mako too, big deal.
So it’s the sword and no the wielder? Wow so you’re sayinf Tifa and Sephiroth are on par, wow you’re so smart.
3. Square Enix never said that lol your the one who is full of shit lol, Kyle is right they say he cannot be REPLACED as the main baddie nothing about ultimate existence (he is constantly outdone in DoC).
I stress you to read the UO, do you even know what that is? How can you say I’m talking bull if you’ve never read it?
Actually SE said he 'ascended to a new level of existance' I don’t know what pipe you’ve been smoking.
If you truely belive that was Sephiroth’s full pysical feat’s considering his power was cut (he was missing Yazzo and Loz) then you need help Sephiroth dousent have materia hence no magic unless he forged them in the lifestream (in anycase he never used them so im assumeing he dident).
See this is why I worry about you, thinking that he needed the other remnants to be at full power, fact is he didn’t. Sephiroth doesn’t need materia because he has his own lifestream. Where does materia come from? Oh it can’t be the lifestream can it. See you’re assuming there. He has his own lifestream and can manipulate it, so you’re wrong.
lmao if Sephiroth truely was better than everyone that’s cloud aswell who beat him with the speed of the Omni-Slash witch he should have avoided if he was all powerful...god ur such a dumbass i swear (wow he is faster than Zack).
That’s because you under estimate Omnislash.
So insulting me makes you feel better, I’m laughing at you so badly for not knowing shit about AC.
omg really dude have you played DoC Yuffie ran away from Russo who fought Cloud unscathed...Kadaj pwned by Cloud Russo fine there is a differance and Vincent beat her in normal form (and Azul’s normal state) so it’s pretty safe to assume he is on par with Cloud without use of Chaos, Kadaj Loz Yazzo showed nothing on the DG troop’s dude not a dam thing, and it show’s the earth quake as Chaos meet’s with Omega in the sky witch is in anycase way more impressive than...“i will not become a memory”.
Rosso ran away after Yuffie came. You don’t know what happened with Rosso and Cloud so stfu about shit you didn’t see.
Hahaha I laugh at you for thinking DG troops are superior to the remnants. Tifa pwns DG troops, Loz pwns Tifa, go figure. See all you’re doing is assuming....bullshit.
There was no earth quake. There was a wave of energy, why was midar just the same if there was an earthquake by it?
What the hell has Sephiroth final line got to do with anything?
Now you kinda go on about how Cloud and Seph own everyone despite never showing anything to surpport this, feat’s pwn opinion deal with it
BUY THE FUCKING ULTIMANIA OMEGA
#147
09 Jan 2008 08:25 am
Lathen Hide
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1. Ultima Omega nope have no idea what that factual ogmantation of litriture featureing the creator’s comentary and veiw’s...
2. Yes i did what was so great about his speed???
3. lmao loseing it abit there dude, i was marely disccusing strenth Tifa and Vincent and Barret can cut building’s up given Cloud’s sword or Seph’s sword, you brought up skill not me so yes i am smart so smart you cant understand my simple context.
4. Ive been smokeing the good shit that’s how i cope with all your bullshit so well lmao, ive got the UO right here so stop makeing excuses it aint in here ive looked.
5. Opinion since Seph showed nothing that surggest’s he can do that i dont doubt it but unless the creator said he can or he actually douse then im kinda right...and he dident use any in AC so yea i think it’s safe to assume im correct.
6. I underestimate a move he got of Zack who lost horribly to Sephiroth...no mabe Sephiroth just isnt as fast as Omni-Slash...
7. Russo shouted Wutia Scum and looked for Yuffie who ran of with an injured Vincent get it right, and do you fail to see the differance between a DG Troop and a Tsveit?, Basicaly put Azul in the ring with Loz AC...Yazzo with Nero and Russo with Kadaj...flawless victory.
8. ...I have it no need to shout, and unlike you im not makeing shit up from it (witch is amussing watching you pwn yourself all so splendidly lol keep up the bad work dude.
#148
09 Jan 2008 10:40 am
Buster Sword
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1. Ultima Omega nope have no idea what that factual ogmantation of litriture featureing the creator’s comentary and veiw’s...
Wow, now you’re on Level 2. LOL
2. Yes i did what was so great about his speed???
It’s the fact that Cloud deal with it. And evaded Sephiroth who was behind him.
lmao loseing it abit there dude, i was marely disccusing strenth Tifa and Vincent and Barret can cut building’s up given Cloud’s sword or Seph’s sword, you brought up skill not me so yes i am smart so smart you cant understand my simple context.
They aren’t as strong as Cloud or Sephiroth. I’ll say no more. Where did I say skill, I said 'on par'
You don’t understand that Sephiroth makes minced meat of buildings because he’s so strong. Put it this way, if there were levels, Avalanche would still be on Level 99. Cloud and Sephiroth are above that. Making Avalanche weaker than Cloud and Sephiroth.
4. Ive been smokeing the good shit that’s how i cope with all your bullshit so well lmao, ive got the UO right here so stop makeing excuses it aint in here ive looked.
Well you must have missed this part then
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.“
I didn’t know Kitase talked so much bullshit, maybe you should go tell him then.
. Opinion since Seph showed nothing that surggest’s he can do that i dont doubt it but unless the creator said he can or he actually douse then im kinda right...and he dident use any in AC so yea i think it’s safe to assume im correct
It’s opinion that materia is condensed lifestream? Go on I dare you say it isn’t. He didn’t use alot of his abilities in AC, does that mean he can’t do them? That is so silly of you to say so. I’m not assuming, I’m using my knowledge from what SE say about the lifestrea,, you’re just assuming he can’t because he didn’t. Difference there.
6. I underestimate a move he got of Zack who lost horribly to Sephiroth...no mabe Sephiroth just isnt as fast as Omni-Slash
See you LOSE MISERDABLY THERE. The omnislash in AC is CLOUD’S MOVE, I don’t ever remember Zacks omnislash having six swords surrounding it’s opponent.
Correct, Sephiroth isn’t as fast as omnislash, or else he would evade it. Nothing above Sephiroth means that everyone is slower than him. Omnislash is a technique, not Cloud’s natural speed, so don’t try and say omfg omnislash is faster than Sephiroth.
. Russo shouted Wutia Scum and looked for Yuffie who ran of with an injured Vincent get it right, and do you fail to see the differance between a DG Troop and a Tsveit?, Basicaly put Azul in the ring with Loz AC...Yazzo with Nero and Russo with Kadaj...flawless victory.
It’s no different that Vincent running away from the SHM, how can you say Vincent could pwn the SHM but ran away to save Cloud’s ass but it’s different with Yuffie.
This is what you said
Yazzo showed nothing on the DG troop’s dude not a dam thing
Flawless victory is just your opinion because you like them better. You’re the one who’s been boasting about Loz’s feats and now you’re saying that some guy who can lift a huge gun can beat him? Lol contradiction plox.
8. ...I have it no need to shout, and unlike you im not makeing shit up from it (witch is amussing watching you pwn yourself all so splendidly lol keep up the bad work dude.
There’s nothing worse than a fanboy who won’t admit he’s wrong.
From what i can gather Omni-Slash is faster than Sephiroth Vincent and Weiss exceed this speed in DoC correct then that is simply Chaos is the fastest.
Chaos is also probably just as strong if not stronger consier the waight of a tank Turret compared with Cloud’s Sword Chaos is proven stronger than Cloud atleast through that Much, also remember Azul could punch through 5 reinforced door’s in one blow that isnt exactly to be taken lightly.
Buster your relying on SE far to much nothing ubove Seph dousent help in a debate if there is nothing ubove him why di loud win you get me?, in a VS debate all card’s are out the window it’s these charicter’s without restriction’s on Good guy alway’s pwn’s Bad Guy and take’s in what would happen if neither held back like Seph would almost certainly kill Cloud in AC if he truely went for the kill.
So from what ive gathered useing feat’s rank and ability DoC featured the biggest threat in FF7 aside from Seph in FF7 mabe greater, so if we use Kadaj Yazzo and Loz against Azul Russo and Nero i could say Azul ha sproven stronger than Loz and can transform for even greater strenth, Russo is faster than Kadaj and has tangled and not been defeated (not even scrached) by Cloud, Nero could swallow Yazzo in darkness and play with him in his own realm.
And due to eveidence id probably win with every right, sure Cloud could have beat Russo but that is opinion (he beat Seph who is ubove everyone else) but in a true vs Seph would beat Cloud hand’s down in about three second’s flat so me saying Russo would beat Cloud (witch i dont really belive she would) is also a fair opinion when throwing common logic good over bad out the window.
Then we come to Weiss basicaly you can say Roth > everyone all day long but here were all bet’s are off that isnt true, so if Cloud can beat Seph with just pure speed then so can anyone on par with that speed given that same opertunity, so Weiss and Chaos for example stand fair trial wouldent you agree.
As for me i have a backward’s way of debateing i DO LIKE CLOUD but when in a vs topic that is erelivant so i look at both side’s even argue for say Tidus just to find anything witch could prove me wrong, then i find later on this help’s in other debate’s to find the true winner.
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#150
10 Jan 2008 08:21 am
Buster Sword
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From what i can gather Omni-Slash is faster than Sephiroth Vincent and Weiss exceed this speed in DoC correct then that is simply Chaos is the fastest.
Omnislash is faster than Sephiroth can react. Vincent 'looks' faster, exceeding omnislashes speed is your opinion, if omnislash went as fast as they could make it, then it would be too fast to go with the music.
Chaos is also probably just as strong if not stronger consier the waight of a tank Turret compared with Cloud’s Sword Chaos is proven stronger than Cloud atleast through that Much, also remember Azul could punch through 5 reinforced door’s in one blow that isnt exactly to be taken lightly.
Nope, because Cloud sets fire to things he slices, it’s only shown once, but only Sephiroth can do that, and he’s the strongest.
Buster your relying on SE far to much nothing ubove Seph dousent help in a debate if there is nothing ubove him why di loud win you get me?, in a VS debate all card’s are out the window it’s these charicter’s without restriction’s on Good guy alway’s pwn’s Bad Guy and take’s in what would happen if neither held back like Seph would almost certainly kill Cloud in AC if he truely went for the kill.
Is that your way of denying Sephiroth is superior, how can you ignore what THE MAKERS say? Their views > mine and yours, and since mine is based on theirs, mine > yours.
He lost to Cloud because of underestimation, and you underestimate Cloud and his technique GRAVELY. Sephiroth did want to kill Clud, but with physical force. Sphiroth didn’t hold back in physical force.
So from what ive gathered useing feat’s rank and ability DoC featured the biggest threat in FF7 aside from Seph in FF7 mabe greater, so if we use Kadaj Yazzo and Loz against Azul Russo and Nero i could say Azul ha sproven stronger than Loz and can transform for even greater strenth, Russo is faster than Kadaj and has tangled and not been defeated (not even scrached) by Cloud, Nero could swallow Yazzo in darkness and play with him in his own realm.
Actually AC was the biggest threat, all Seph had to do was win Cloud. The threat actally doesn’t represent how powerful they care in fairness. A genious who’s weak can pose more of a threat than some who’s strong and dumb. The tsveits and their abilities are your opinion. Sephiroth wouldn’t need remnents to beat the Tsviets.
And due to eveidence id probably win with every right, sure Cloud could have beat Russo but that is opinion (he beat Seph who is ubove everyone else) but in a true vs Seph would beat Cloud hand’s down in about three second’s flat so me saying Russo would beat Cloud (witch i dont really belive she would) is also a fair opinion when throwing common logic good over bad out the window.
Of course Cloud can beat Rosso, it can go in Rosso’s hands too, but because Cloud beat Roth and Rosso got beaten b Vincent, it’s in Cloud’s favour, it’s not like I’m saying instapwn to Cloud. Actually, you don’t know how fast Sephiroh can beat Cloud, you just know that he can.
Then we come to Weiss basicaly you can say Roth > everyone all day long but here were all bet’s are off that isnt true, so if Cloud can beat Seph with just pure speed then so can anyone on par with that speed given that same opertunity, so Weiss and Chaos for example stand fair trial wouldent you agree.
You know what, if you want to ignore what the creators say and form your own bullshit opinion be my guest. Nobody is going to get the oppurtunity like Cloud did. So no win for your tsviets.
As for me i have a backward’s way of debateing i DO LIKE CLOUD but when in a vs topic that is erelivant so i look at both side’s even argue for say Tidus just to find anything witch could prove me wrong, then i find later on this help’s in other debate’s to find the true winner.
Either you don’t like Cloud or you underestimate his abilities, up to you.
From what i can gather Omni-Slash is faster than Sephiroth Vincent and Weiss exceed this speed in DoC correct then that is simply Chaos is the fastest.
Omnislash is faster than Sephiroth can react. Vincent 'looks' faster, exceeding omnislashes speed is your opinion, if omnislash went as fast as they could make it, then it would be too fast to go with the music.
Chaos is also probably just as strong if not stronger consier the waight of a tank Turret compared with Cloud’s Sword Chaos is proven stronger than Cloud atleast through that Much, also remember Azul could punch through 5 reinforced door’s in one blow that isnt exactly to be taken lightly.
Nope, because Cloud sets fire to things he slices, it’s only shown once, but only Sephiroth can do that, and he’s the strongest.
Buster your relying on SE far to much nothing ubove Seph dousent help in a debate if there is nothing ubove him why di loud win you get me?, in a VS debate all card’s are out the window it’s these charicter’s without restriction’s on Good guy alway’s pwn’s Bad Guy and take’s in what would happen if neither held back like Seph would almost certainly kill Cloud in AC if he truely went for the kill.
Is that your way of denying Sephiroth is superior, how can you ignore what THE MAKERS say? Their views > mine and yours, and since mine is based on theirs, mine > yours.
He lost to Cloud because of underestimation, and you underestimate Cloud and his technique GRAVELY. Sephiroth did want to kill Clud, but with physical force. Sphiroth didn’t hold back in physical force.
So from what ive gathered useing feat’s rank and ability DoC featured the biggest threat in FF7 aside from Seph in FF7 mabe greater, so if we use Kadaj Yazzo and Loz against Azul Russo and Nero i could say Azul ha sproven stronger than Loz and can transform for even greater strenth, Russo is faster than Kadaj and has tangled and not been defeated (not even scrached) by Cloud, Nero could swallow Yazzo in darkness and play with him in his own realm.
Actually AC was the biggest threat, all Seph had to do was win Cloud. The threat actally doesn’t represent how powerful they care in fairness. A genious who’s weak can pose more of a threat than some who’s strong and dumb. The tsveits and their abilities are your opinion. Sephiroth wouldn’t need remnents to beat the Tsviets.
And due to eveidence id probably win with every right, sure Cloud could have beat Russo but that is opinion (he beat Seph who is ubove everyone else) but in a true vs Seph would beat Cloud hand’s down in about three second’s flat so me saying Russo would beat Cloud (witch i dont really belive she would) is also a fair opinion when throwing common logic good over bad out the window.
Of course Cloud can beat Rosso, it can go in Rosso’s hands too, but because Cloud beat Roth and Rosso got beaten b Vincent, it’s in Cloud’s favour, it’s not like I’m saying instapwn to Cloud. Actually, you don’t know how fast Sephiroh can beat Cloud, you just know that he can.
Then we come to Weiss basicaly you can say Roth > everyone all day long but here were all bet’s are off that isnt true, so if Cloud can beat Seph with just pure speed then so can anyone on par with that speed given that same opertunity, so Weiss and Chaos for example stand fair trial wouldent you agree.
You know what, if you want to ignore what the creators say and form your own bullshit opinion be my guest. Nobody is going to get the oppurtunity like Cloud did. So no win for your tsviets.
As for me i have a backward’s way of debateing i DO LIKE CLOUD but when in a vs topic that is erelivant so i look at both side’s even argue for say Tidus just to find anything witch could prove me wrong, then i find later on this help’s in other debate’s to find the true winner.
Either you don’t like Cloud or you underestimate his abilities, up to you.
1. This one is quight wrong Vincent dousent look faster he IS faster not an opinion, what is an opinion tho is you saying Cloud’s tech is slowed down to show veiwer’s without proof that is opinion FACT is Vincent moved faster than Omni-Slash.
2. erm no Cloud has a sword Vincent had a huge gun witch he shoved through Azul too completely different thing’s.
Your veiw is bais you say Seph is the strongest because the Creator’s say ther eis nothing ubove him, yet he isnt the fastest (Omni-Slash Weiss and Chaos surpass him in this feild) so why then should he be the strongest without any proof?
I could say Vincent can lift Azul’s weapon something only Azul who has proven through feat’s as the srongest so far...the truth is Restrictor used STOP on Azul when he tried to punch his head of and Tech against Russo when she tried so Skill is the factor he used to be ubove them and likewise with Sephiroth.
So in dire strenth Vincent was stronger than Cloud and Seph but it douse take more than brute strenth to win a battle.
3. I can say for a fact Sephiroth did hold back in pysical Force,
a, he is seen knocking Cloud away from him with ease throughout the fight
b, Cloud lost sight of him getting drove into the Shinra Building
c, Inside Seph play’s cat and mouse with Cloud poping up all over the place surpriseing him
d, Seph dousent blink the whole match
e, Seph never exert’s himself in the match appearing out of breath in the least.
f, Cloud flee’s for breath after fighting Seph umoung the debris
g, Seph stuck his sword through his shoulder in apose to his head.
h, Seph ask’s him what he cherished most so he can have the pleasure of takeing it away from him (to take it away would mean Cloud would have to be alive to take it from, showing he intended to torture Cloud).
I, he also mention’s giveing Dispair to Cloud as a gift showing once again he wanted to punish Cloud before killing him (this show’s he dident go for the kill against Cloud).
4. The Tsveit’s almost conquered earth and destroyed it killing thousand’s in a few short day’s, Vincent was the only one who could stop Omega and Weiss with the Prota Materia this is a fact.
Sephiroth beating Cloud and winning is marely opinion, he still had Avolanche to beat to take out the earth and ill bet they wernt about to let him (they had materia) Vincent as shown has Chaos and DG were still around Seph’s battle for earth was far from over after Cloud.
5. Exactly it isnt instipwn for Cloud but it would be for Weiss who is under Chaos so you proved my point, Cloud would have difficulty beating Russo Weiss pwned 3 of her and Azul tranceformed with one arm Chaos pwned Omega Weiss who was stronger than origenal Weiss thank you for proveing my point.
6. actually you proved my point anyone faster than Omni-Slash can beat him and i have a list better than Cloud, so to save your argument prove Omni-Slash is faster than everyone else in FF7 cus without that it’s a sure fire win
7. I Like Cloud just think ur overestimateing him cus he got a lucky break with Sephiroth, i just made a list on how Seph held back on Cloud without useing magic even and he still made Cloud look bad, but yea Cloud did win the fight in the end witch prove’s anyone better than Cloud had the same opertunity.
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#152
11 Jan 2008 05:52 am
Buster Sword
Guest
1. This one is quight wrong Vincent dousent look faster he IS faster not an opinion, what is an opinion tho is you saying Cloud’s tech is slowed down to show veiwer’s without proof that is opinion FACT is Vincent moved faster than Omni-Slash.
THAT IS YOUR OPINION, haha talk about hypocrasy.
It’s not slowed down? Prove that is isn’t then. I don’t remember seeing Vincents after images. Kadajs lighting attack moved faster than omnislash, does that mean it’s faster? Nope.
2. erm no Cloud has a sword Vincent had a huge gun witch he shoved through Azul too completely different thing’s.
Erm, Cloud smacked Bahamut, which is heavier than a gun.
Your veiw is bais you say Seph is the strongest because the Creator’s say ther eis nothing ubove him, yet he isnt the fastest (Omni-Slash Weiss and Chaos surpass him in this feild) so why then should he be the strongest without any proof?
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.“
Read it and weep.
I could say Vincent can lift Azul’s weapon something only Azul who has proven through feat’s as the srongest so far...the truth is Restrictor used STOP on Azul when he tried to punch his head of and Tech against Russo when she tried so Skill is the factor he used to be ubove them and likewise with Sephiroth.
Omfg you’re saying Azul is the strongest because he lifted that gun LMFAO. Even Loz surpasses this.
So in dire strenth Vincent was stronger than Cloud and Seph but it douse take more than brute strenth to win a battle.
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.“
Read it and weep some more.
3. I can say for a fact Sephiroth did hold back in pysical Force,
a, he is seen knocking Cloud away from him with ease throughout the fight
b, Cloud lost sight of him getting drove into the Shinra Building
c, Inside Seph play’s cat and mouse with Cloud poping up all over the place surpriseing him
d, Seph dousent blink the whole match
e, Seph never exert’s himself in the match appearing out of breath in the least.
f, Cloud flee’s for breath after fighting Seph umoung the debris
g, Seph stuck his sword through his shoulder in apose to his head.
h, Seph ask’s him what he cherished most so he can have the pleasure of takeing it away from him (to take it away would mean Cloud would have to be alive to take it from, showing he intended to torture Cloud).
I, he also mention’s giveing Dispair to Cloud as a gift showing once again he wanted to punish Cloud before killing him (this show’s he dident go for the kill against Cloud).
Where did SE say he wasn’t trying?
a. He knocked Cloud because he’s STRONGER.
b. Cloud saw him BEFORE he got knocked in.
c. Your bullshit opinion.
d. Sephiroth not blinking has nothing to do with his battle with Cloud.
e. Sephiroth doesn’t sweat because he doesn’t sweat. Regardless of who he’s fighting.
Sephiroth never sweats, and never shows any sign of exertion. He swings his sword without practically making a sound. He probably only grunts about 3 times when swinging his sword in that intense battle. -Nomura
f. Oh I’m sorry, fighting Loz and Yazoo, Loz Yazoo and Kadaj, Bahamut, Loz and Yazoo again, Kadaj, and THEN the most powerful being, I’m pretty sure he’ll be fine.
g. HE DID THAT AFTER THE FIGHT.
h. Of course he wanted to torture Cloud, but to do that he had to wear and tear him down
i. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying DUH.
4. The Tsveit’s almost conquered earth and destroyed it killing thousand’s in a few short day’s, Vincent was the only one who could stop Omega and Weiss with the Prota Materia this is a fact.
Sephiroth beating Cloud and winning is marely opinion, he still had Avolanche to beat to take out the earth and ill bet they wernt about to let him (they had materia) Vincent as shown has Chaos and DG were still around Seph’s battle for earth was far from over after Cloud.
How long did it take Sephiroth to summon the ve- lifestream when he returned?
What?
“What about this Planet?"
“Well.....that’s up to you, Cloud!"
Does that mean nothing to you?
Acutally Avalanche wouldn’t do shit to him, one: They couldn’t go near Sephiroth. two: they struggled against Bahamut, how are they gonna beat Sephiroth? If Sephiroth’s plan worked DG wouldn’t exist.
. Exactly it isnt instipwn for Cloud but it would be for Weiss who is under Chaos so you proved my point, Cloud would have difficulty beating Russo Weiss pwned 3 of her and Azul tranceformed with one arm Chaos pwned Omega Weiss who was stronger than origenal Weiss thank you for proveing my point.
I didn’t say it would be difficult, I said it wouldn’t be insta pwn, remember this is without limit breaks.
And Sephiroth > Weiss, keep believing he’s not if it makes you feel better.
actually you proved my point anyone faster than Omni-Slash can beat him and i have a list better than Cloud, so to save your argument prove Omni-Slash is faster than everyone else in FF7 cus without that it’s a sure fire win
Because Sephiroth couldn’t evade it. Sephiroth > Everyone.
I Like Cloud just think ur overestimateing him cus he got a lucky break with Sephiroth, i just made a list on how Seph held back on Cloud without useing magic even and he still made Cloud look bad, but yea Cloud did win the fight in the end witch prove’s anyone better than Cloud had the same opertunity.
It would be over estimation if I said stupid things like Cloud is above Sephiroth.
That’s your opinion about making Cloud look bad. I worry about you when I put facts WRiTTEN facts in your face but I get bullshit like I rely on the creators too much, get a reality check son.
1. This one is quight wrong Vincent dousent look faster he IS faster not an opinion, what is an opinion tho is you saying Cloud’s tech is slowed down to show veiwer’s without proof that is opinion FACT is Vincent moved faster than Omni-Slash.
THAT IS YOUR OPINION, haha talk about hypocrasy.
It’s not slowed down? Prove that is isn’t then. I don’t remember seeing Vincents after images. Kadajs lighting attack moved faster than omnislash, does that mean it’s faster? Nope.
2. erm no Cloud has a sword Vincent had a huge gun witch he shoved through Azul too completely different thing’s.
Erm, Cloud smacked Bahamut, which is heavier than a gun.
Your veiw is bais you say Seph is the strongest because the Creator’s say ther eis nothing ubove him, yet he isnt the fastest (Omni-Slash Weiss and Chaos surpass him in this feild) so why then should he be the strongest without any proof?
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.“
Read it and weep.
I could say Vincent can lift Azul’s weapon something only Azul who has proven through feat’s as the srongest so far...the truth is Restrictor used STOP on Azul when he tried to punch his head of and Tech against Russo when she tried so Skill is the factor he used to be ubove them and likewise with Sephiroth.
Omfg you’re saying Azul is the strongest because he lifted that gun LMFAO. Even Loz surpasses this.
So in dire strenth Vincent was stronger than Cloud and Seph but it douse take more than brute strenth to win a battle.
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.“
Read it and weep some more.
3. I can say for a fact Sephiroth did hold back in pysical Force,
a, he is seen knocking Cloud away from him with ease throughout the fight
b, Cloud lost sight of him getting drove into the Shinra Building
c, Inside Seph play’s cat and mouse with Cloud poping up all over the place surpriseing him
d, Seph dousent blink the whole match
e, Seph never exert’s himself in the match appearing out of breath in the least.
f, Cloud flee’s for breath after fighting Seph umoung the debris
g, Seph stuck his sword through his shoulder in apose to his head.
h, Seph ask’s him what he cherished most so he can have the pleasure of takeing it away from him (to take it away would mean Cloud would have to be alive to take it from, showing he intended to torture Cloud).
I, he also mention’s giveing Dispair to Cloud as a gift showing once again he wanted to punish Cloud before killing him (this show’s he dident go for the kill against Cloud).
Where did SE say he wasn’t trying?
a. He knocked Cloud because he’s STRONGER.
b. Cloud saw him BEFORE he got knocked in.
c. Your bullshit opinion.
d. Sephiroth not blinking has nothing to do with his battle with Cloud.
e. Sephiroth doesn’t sweat because he doesn’t sweat. Regardless of who he’s fighting.
Sephiroth never sweats, and never shows any sign of exertion. He swings his sword without practically making a sound. He probably only grunts about 3 times when swinging his sword in that intense battle. -Nomura
f. Oh I’m sorry, fighting Loz and Yazoo, Loz Yazoo and Kadaj, Bahamut, Loz and Yazoo again, Kadaj, and THEN the most powerful being, I’m pretty sure he’ll be fine.
g. HE DID THAT AFTER THE FIGHT.
h. Of course he wanted to torture Cloud, but to do that he had to wear and tear him down
i. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t trying DUH.
4. The Tsveit’s almost conquered earth and destroyed it killing thousand’s in a few short day’s, Vincent was the only one who could stop Omega and Weiss with the Prota Materia this is a fact.
Sephiroth beating Cloud and winning is marely opinion, he still had Avolanche to beat to take out the earth and ill bet they wernt about to let him (they had materia) Vincent as shown has Chaos and DG were still around Seph’s battle for earth was far from over after Cloud.
How long did it take Sephiroth to summon the ve- lifestream when he returned?
What?
“What about this Planet?"
“Well.....that’s up to you, Cloud!"
Does that mean nothing to you?
Acutally Avalanche wouldn’t do shit to him, one: They couldn’t go near Sephiroth. two: they struggled against Bahamut, how are they gonna beat Sephiroth? If Sephiroth’s plan worked DG wouldn’t exist.
. Exactly it isnt instipwn for Cloud but it would be for Weiss who is under Chaos so you proved my point, Cloud would have difficulty beating Russo Weiss pwned 3 of her and Azul tranceformed with one arm Chaos pwned Omega Weiss who was stronger than origenal Weiss thank you for proveing my point.
I didn’t say it would be difficult, I said it wouldn’t be insta pwn, remember this is without limit breaks.
And Sephiroth > Weiss, keep believing he’s not if it makes you feel better.
actually you proved my point anyone faster than Omni-Slash can beat him and i have a list better than Cloud, so to save your argument prove Omni-Slash is faster than everyone else in FF7 cus without that it’s a sure fire win
Because Sephiroth couldn’t evade it. Sephiroth > Everyone.
I Like Cloud just think ur overestimateing him cus he got a lucky break with Sephiroth, i just made a list on how Seph held back on Cloud without useing magic even and he still made Cloud look bad, but yea Cloud did win the fight in the end witch prove’s anyone better than Cloud had the same opertunity.
It would be over estimation if I said stupid things like Cloud is above Sephiroth.
That’s your opinion about making Cloud look bad. I worry about you when I put facts WRiTTEN facts in your face but I get bullshit like I rely on the creators too much, get a reality check son.
1. So you can’t prove Omni-Slash was slowed down then, Kadaj’s lightning wasnt as fast as Omni-Slash as Cloud’s normal speed could avoid it.
2. Do the Law’s of a a thing called Gravity escape you, Cloud smacked Bahamut down this is what happen’s when something is attacked from above like Dante fighting Cerberus or The Great Goliath in DMC4 just cus he can knock it back dousent mean he is able to lift them, Chaos however you see it can lift more waight meaning strenth go’s to him.
3. Was that a direct Quote?, Restrictor and Weiss can both beat Azul douse that make them stronger?, Sephiroth has shown he has a limit in speed AC and pysical Strenth seem’s impressive but outdone in DoC useing what we have both gathered from Film and game Chaos is superior to AC Sephiroth, when did Loz preform this feat of strenth?
4. Action’s speak louder than word’s bud and Chaos pwned The Seph in every aspect (with all respect in DoC) it’s like useing AC Sephiroth and Chaos DoC Chaos would win due to the fact Sephiroth hasnt shown the same level of power speed strenth and so on anything after that is a guess at most mate.
If sephiroth was ubove everyone that would include Cloud who beat him and likewise anyone better than Cloud could take down Sephiroth (you can’t really say they couldent because if someone weaker by comparison defeat’s Sephiroth then someone who outclassed him by far later on surely can correct).
5.
a, Yes he is.
b, Irelivent Cloud lost sight of him and got blindsided Seph could have impailed him.
c, Seph is seen weaveing all over the place poping up surpriseing Cloud in a playful manner even stoping to ask were he got his strenth from.
d, When Cloud failed to make Seph bat an eye lid during their fight it kinda say’s how unintimadated he was by Cloud’s effort.
e, See your statement even agree’s with me,
“Sephiroth never sweats, and never shows any sign of exertion. He swings his sword without practically making a sound. He probably only grunts about 3 times when swinging his sword in that intense battle”. -Nomura
This alone prove’s he dident try
f, Cloud was fine after he was cured of Geostigma by the Life Stream if anything he was better than before haveing healed of his weakness.
g, Yes when Cloud was tired meaning yet again he could have killed him...
h, witch he seemed to manage with little effort
agreed.
i, When he dident try to kill Cloud when he could have and wanted marely to punish him...that is called restraining yourself (meaning he dident try his hardest).
6. not only did you just prove you dont no alot about DoC (DG was around before Sephiroth) you just showed how bad your understanding of FF7 is in General Sephiroth said it’s up to Cloud since there was no 1 else there, Avalanch could beat Bahamut but they sat back and let Cloud do it (notice the helping hand they gave him to reach Bahamut) and the clear fact Yuffie brought Materia showed they are willing to use it (even Vincent used it in DoC).
7. Cloud dident beat Russo a being Weiss before joining with Omega could beat with one arm...Cloud got lucky with Sephiroth who wasnt giveing his A game witch is true if you belive what you keep saying from the UO “he is ubove everyone” yet beaten by Cloud he was demonstrateing nothing on the feat’s brought to us by Weiss, witch beg’s the question what ground’s do you have to make such a horendouse claim, Weiss white washed Sephiroth’s preformance in DoC along with Chaos (Cloud himself could barely handle AC Roth so he isnt a decideing factor here at all).
If you truely 100 percent belive Sephiroth can beat Weiss then you must understand how much he held back on Cloud (that would make him faster than Omni-Slash and able to take Cloud with 1 arm).
8. But as ive proved he sure as hell wasnt faster than everyone of for the matter stronger just highly skilled and powrful to boot, so i win as you havent proved the one thing i asked for witch is that Omni-Slash was slowed down witch was nothin On Chaos?
9. Your fact’s hold little waight here as they are disproven through action’s and Feat’s what has word got on anything?
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Last edited 14 Jan 2008 11:20 am by Kyle Knight
#154
14 Jan 2008 07:24 pm
Buster Sword
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1. So you can’t prove Omni-Slash was slowed down then, Kadaj’s lightning wasnt as fast as Omni-Slash as Cloud’s normal speed could avoid it.
Want to bring proof that Omnislash is faster than what it was in the movie? Because I’ll find it and make you weep if you want. Have you not read Cloud’s ultimania compilation profile?
2. Do the Law’s of a a thing called Gravity escape you, Cloud smacked Bahamut down this is what happen’s when something is attacked from above like Dante fighting Cerberus or The Great Goliath in DMC4 just cus he can knock it back dousent mean he is able to lift them, Chaos however you see it can lift more waight meaning strenth go’s to him.
So, Bahamut wasn’t flying then, how could he stay up in the first place? The weight of Cloud slam was enough to surpass his weight AND make him fall. By your logic Cloud’s and Sephiroth’s hand should break when they cut buildings. And please spare me gravity here, would gravity let Cloud jump so high? Or stay air borne for as long as he does?
3. Was that a direct Quote?, Restrictor and Weiss can both beat Azul douse that make them stronger?, Sephiroth has shown he has a limit in speed AC and pysical Strenth seem’s impressive but outdone in DoC useing what we have both gathered from Film and game Chaos is superior to AC Sephiroth, when did Loz preform this feat of strenth?
Why are you ignoring FACTS given to you? Of course it’s a quote, but yet you still ramble on about bullshit SE have disproved by their own words. The bolded bit is your own goddamn opinion. Want me to quote and make you weep again, because you obvioiusly didn’t read it properly.
“Kitase said that Sephiroth’s existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.“
There you go.
4. Action’s speak louder than word’s bud and Chaos pwned The Seph in every aspect (with all respect in DoC) it’s like useing AC Sephiroth and Chaos DoC Chaos would win due to the fact Sephiroth hasnt shown the same level of power speed strenth and so on anything after that is a guess at most mate.
Your opinion > SE now? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, are you shitting me?
If sephiroth was ubove everyone that would include Cloud who beat him and likewise anyone better than Cloud could take down Sephiroth (you can’t really say they couldent because if someone weaker by comparison defeat’s Sephiroth then someone who outclassed him by far later on surely can correct).
Being above someone does not make you immune to defeat, in an in-universe perspective anyways. Cloud got beaten by omnislash, the dealiest move, whatever can kill Sephiroth would kill any other VII character because he’s more powerful than them. See your using your opinion again here and completely missing what SE have said, it doesn’t matter what shit Weiss or Chaos pull up, they are not gonna beat Sephiroth, and actually, Cloud isn’t outclassed by Weiss and Chaos, they’re more on the same level, but omnislash would hand Cloud victory.
5.
a, Yes he is.
b, Irelivent Cloud lost sight of him and got blindsided Seph could have impailed him.
c, Seph is seen weaveing all over the place poping up surpriseing Cloud in a playful manner even stoping to ask were he got his strenth from.
d, When Cloud failed to make Seph bat an eye lid during their fight it kinda say’s how unintimadated he was by Cloud’s effort.
e, See your statement even agree’s with me,
“Sephiroth never sweats, and never shows any sign of exertion. He swings his sword without practically making a sound. He probably only grunts about 3 times when swinging his sword in that intense battle”. -Nomura
This alone prove’s he dident try
f, Cloud was fine after he was cured of Geostigma by the Life Stream if anything he was better than before haveing healed of his weakness.
g, Yes when Cloud was tired meaning yet again he could have killed him...
h, witch he seemed to manage with little effort
agreed.
i, When he dident try to kill Cloud when he could have and wanted marely to punish him...that is called restraining yourself (meaning he dident try his hardest).
a. When did I say Sephiroth wasn’t stronger?
b. Don’t brush away the fact that Cloud saw him ok BEFORE he got knocked in, making it irrlevant how fast Sephiroth moved.
c. That is absolutely your opinion, where did SE say Sephiroth was having fun in the building and eating cake, and there’s a difference between 'toying' and arrogance. No suggestion that he was playing other than your wrong opinion.
d and e. Sephiroth not blinking or sweating is a part of his animation, what don’t you get about that? he' be the same if he was fighting Chaos, Omega Weiss and Jesus. That quote wasn’t about the fight silly, it’s about SEPHIROTH’S 'OTHERWORDLY' appearance. So opinion again.
f. Oh don’t you get it, WHAT HE WAS UP AGAINST? He fatigues because of all the battles and then he fights Sephiroth who’s the most powerfullest, that has nothing to do with being cured.
g. Answer this smart guy, was Cloud tired any time during the fight apart from him running away?
i. So why did he use full power slices and why did SE say they were 'fighting ferociously' then? Answer that.
. not only did you just prove you dont no alot about DoC (DG was around before Sephiroth) you just showed how bad your understanding of FF7 is in General Sephiroth said it’s up to Cloud since there was no 1 else there, Avalanch could beat Bahamut but they sat back and let Cloud do it (notice the helping hand they gave him to reach Bahamut) and the clear fact Yuffie brought Materia showed they are willing to use it (even Vincent used it in DoC).
What the hell are you talking about? if Sephiroth’s plan worked, the Planet would have died, meaning DG would die, when did I say anything about when DG was or was not present? I can’t believe you’re telling me about bad understanding.
It’s up to Cloud because there’s no one else there? So where was Avalanche? And Vincent is referring to Kadaj ACTUALLY NOT SEPHIROTH.
If Avalanche could beat Bahamut, why were they fighting for 2 hours with no success? You can’t answer that, and if you do then you’re broken. Did Avalanche destroy Bahamut, or was it Cloud? How do you know Cloud would use it? And Avalanche couldn’t intervene, did you not see the ve- lifestream?
7. Cloud dident beat Russo a being Weiss before joining with Omega could beat with one arm...Cloud got lucky with Sephiroth who wasnt giveing his A game witch is true if you belive what you keep saying from the UO “he is ubove everyone” yet beaten by Cloud he was demonstrateing nothing on the feat’s brought to us by Weiss, witch beg’s the question what ground’s do you have to make such a horendouse claim, Weiss white washed Sephiroth’s preformance in DoC along with Chaos (Cloud himself could barely handle AC Roth so he isnt a decideing factor here at all).
You know what happened between Rosso and Cloud? last time I played DoC it showed them clashing ONCE. How do you that they didn’t get seprated? Stop speculating because neither of us know what happened. Next you’ll be telling me Rosso would survive omnislash, which would infact instapwn her.
See this is where you are absolutely fail here, first you said you read the UO and that it said 'SE didn’t want to replace Sephiroth' and I was talking bullshit. I gave you proof, you didn’t prove jack shit, but you say I’m relying on what the people who make it say too much. Do you see how badly you fail? Sephiroth got beaten by a godly move, that would destroy ANYBODY in VII. And actually Cloud kept up with Sephiroth until he got fatigued. You go by what you see, I go by what the creators say. You lose, just admit it that not that I’m right but SE are right.
If you truely 100 percent belive Sephiroth can beat Weiss then you must understand how much he held back on Cloud (that would make him faster than Omni-Slash and able to take Cloud with 1 arm).
That’s the hole basis of my argument, he DIDN’T hold back, Sephiroth chose to use physical force, which is why Cloud is more of a match for Weiss, if Cloud can keep up with the most powerful thing, then Weiss would be less of a challenge. All the SHM had materia but didn’t use it when fighting Cloud, does that mean they were holding back too?
Sephiroth is the most powerfullest but stop making him out to more powerful than he already is, this is when I get sick of Sephy fans saying he could insta pwn Cloud, when he was fighting for 1-3 hours.
8. But as ive proved he sure as hell wasnt faster than everyone of for the matter stronger just highly skilled and powrful to boot, so i win as you havent proved the one thing i asked for witch is that Omni-Slash was slowed down witch was nothin On Chaos?
You’ve proved nothing, actually. All you’ve done is give me opinion. Go on give me some quotes, I dare you. How can you say I haven’t proved anything when you ignored the feat about there being nothing above Sephiroth? Prove to me that SE has specifically say all these things that you have claimed, I dare you.
When the limit is reached, his sword is imbued with fighting spirit from the heart for just a moment.
In the blink of an eye, 14 hits of damage are dealt one after another.....
Cloud then dramatically leaps into the air and brings his sword down for the final slash.
Did that happen in a blink of an eye in the game? Does that mean it doesn’t happen that fast in the VII verse? AC omnislash is a more powerful and faster attack, simply because of what it’s defeating, and the fact that Cloud is more powerful in AC than VII, now I DARE you say VII omnislash is faster than AC, because I definately didn’t see after images in VII. Now just be queit about omnislashes speed before I pwn you some more, because I don’t have much to say or prove to you any more ESPECIALLY IF YOU IGNORE IT.
9. Your fact’s hold little waight here as they are disproven through action’s and Feat’s what has word got on anything?
I like how you ask for proof then say it means shit when it proves you wrong.
1. Yes i do actually...now could you get it please
2. Fair enough Chaos knocked Omega Down wow he must be alot stronger than Cloud huh?
3. You first dodged my question about Loz surpassing Azul in strenth, and secondly did it actualy accur to you that UO was written before DoC came onto the scene makeing it slightly void as opinion’s change.
Ooh and i already covered the fact that Sephiroth is far from unbeatable...Cloud nailed him on more than one occation, witch likewise mean’s anyone stronger can aswell common logic mate not opinion.
4. No my freind SE wrote that ball’s bafore introduceing us to DoC makeing previouse statement’s inurt (like Sephiroth becomeing stronger in the next FF) you wouldent still belive the old UO saying that is the strongest incarnation or strongest being, Seph was surpassed by being’s you dident know existed in AC.
5. You have so much faith in a move made by Zack im sure you go on to say it’s Godly and unbeatable or some shit, dont wory i wont talk about how utterly your opinion that is buddy or how you like to throw to the waistline anything Chaos or Weiss did to undermine them, wow even more opinion anything that can destroy Seph can kill eeryone else in FF.
Can i just say Weiss and Chaos have invinceible body’s born to compose vast ammount’s of energy (the whole planet) as said by Hojo the guy who practicaly made all of them what they are, and that is to never age and never tarnish in Weiss and Chaos respective term’s so no Omni-Slash would not beat them as so far it is too slow and just a move invented by a Solider.
6.
a, You dident witch is good cus he isnt
b, No it’s made erelivent by the fact Cloud FAILED to avoid it...
c, Actually what i described is accurate to what happened and stand’s as a fact why not give your veiw of what happened?
d,e, No that quotation was taken from the AC UO in describeing how Sephiroth responded and acted throughout the battle, witch the AC UO deal’s with all thing’s AC DoC is a seperate party all together and follow’s different material.
f, Sorry i was under the impretion being cured healed you of such triffles in FF my bad.
g, no but surly your awear you dont need to be worn out to lose a fight, it say’s outclassed when conserning the fight witch leed’s one to belive Sephiroth was much better than Cloud was one slip and he could have nailed him (ive pointed out three so far) but this was not what Sephiroth wished as he made painfully clear so there you have it.
h, you missed this one.
i, Seem’s im doing all the leg work but ok, FULL powered slices you mean like the same kind he used to cut up the Mako cannon in Crisis Core, when conserning Sephiroth who wasnt aiming to kill it say’s he never sweat’s blink’s he outclasses Cloud and swing’s his sword with little effort...sure the battle seemed intence but was it really from Sephiroth’s point of veiw.
7. So if i answer those question’s im broken fair enough, if sephiroth beat Cloud there were more to take his place, Avolanche left the fight to Cloud as it was his battle, Avolanche never appeared to be struggleing with Bahamut it never even landed a blow on them? they were mainly conserned with directing it away from the city before Cloud showed up, and dident seem worried in the least when battleing it.
Cloud beat Bahamut with their help, Cloud would use materia as he was keeping it with him in the church for just such an occation but Loz took it, then Yuffie brought him somemore showing they planned to use it, Avolaunche never came back to try interveneing in Cloud’s fight but they would if he lost.
8. Russo has demonstrated Omni-Slash speed there is nothing to surggest she cant avoid it mabe Cloud tried it on her who know’s all i know is she killed everyone she came across till Cloud and both wouldent run quitely into the night now would they?, and a little while passes before you meet her with Vincent who require’s no spechial move to defeat her.
Cloud dident even harm Russo...who is way way WAY under Weiss or Chaos Vincent beat her in regular form now Weiss and Chaos are ubove this by far that is a fact (opinion is Omni-Slash being GODLY, and can beat anyone) as stated by you sir so stop clinging to outdatted document’s.
9. Sephiroth is far from all powerful Cloud proved that more than once, but likewise Cloud isnt invinceible by beating Sephiroth when he never went for the kill and showed no sighn’s of tire or Strife, Weiss has shown to be superior to AC Sephiroth (pull up your little document from before DoC’s timeframe if you want) but this just mean’s Weiss would not hold back he owe’s Cloud nothing and outdouse him in every feild.
I dare Say Cloud is that much stroonger than base Vincent and i have feat’s to prove he isnt but we all know Weiss picked Vincent apart with little effort even after Vincent fought Azul and Russo and Nero (douse that just mean Vincent was wornout aswell) no it mean’s Weiss would crush Vincent in the blink of an eye without Chaos (an actual Godly entity).
11. My dear boy you have much to learn if you think a few word’s win a debate, Sephiroth is proven beatable by Cloud useing Omni-Slash witch has yet to be shown as slown down...they are limited in most area’s of this debate horribly and surpassed in DoC your only protection is an UO that is written before DoC or Crisis Core for that matter plus the Fact Kateise had little to do with DoC...
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Last edited 15 Jan 2008 06:48 am by Kyle Knight
#156
15 Jan 2008 03:13 pm
Buster Sword
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1. Yes i do actually...now could you get it please
I posted it.
2. Fair enough Chaos knocked Omega Down wow he must be alot stronger than Cloud huh?
Kamizaze isn’t knocking something down, DUH.
3. You first dodged my question about Loz surpassing Azul in strenth, and secondly did it actualy accur to you that UO was written before DoC came onto the scene makeing it slightly void as opinion’s change.
Ooh and i already covered the fact that Sephiroth is far from unbeatable...Cloud nailed him on more than one occation, witch likewise mean’s anyone stronger can aswell common logic mate not opinion.
Dodge what question? What has Weiss beating Azul got to do with anything, how do you know Weiss isn’t stronger? Actually, the UO and DoC came out in the same year, AND it’s canon, official, whatever you call it. You think when the UO was written they had nothing on DoC, they fucking making it, what don’t you understand about this? Maybe if it was made like 10 years before but it came out in the same year, all this shows that you can’t accept what they say. I never said Sephiroth was unbeatable, I said he’s unbeatable out-universe, Sephiroth loses because that’s a part of the story, but in a hypothetical battle, which is what this is, Sephiroth would beat anybody. It’s still your opinion that Chaos and Weiss are stronger, I don’t car about your logic because SE disprove it.
4. No my freind SE wrote that ball’s bafore introduceing us to DoC makeing previouse statement’s inurt (like Sephiroth becomeing stronger in the next FF) you wouldent still belive the old UO saying that is the strongest incarnation or strongest being, Seph was surpassed by being’s you dident know existed in AC.
So you’re saying SE talk balls because it destroys your opinion, way to make a debate, it seems like everything I throw at you, you say it’s balls because you don’t like it. DoC came out in the same year so be quiet about the timeline. Sephiroth is not surpassed, why? Because SE say so, go on say so it makes you weep. We didn’t know those beings existed after AC, but I’m pretty damn well sure SE did, so you fail AGAIN.
5. You have so much faith in a move made by Zack im sure you go on to say it’s Godly and unbeatable or some shit, dont wory i wont talk about how utterly your opinion that is buddy or how you like to throw to the waistline anything Chaos or Weiss did to undermine them, wow even more opinion anything that can destroy Seph can kill eeryone else in FF.
Was Zack’s omnislash 15 slashes, then refined to 6 flying slashes? It’s not Zacks move so be queit. See you there you go again, something disproves you, you indirectly call me a fan boy, I don’t even know why I’m debating with someone with such an ego as yours. When did I undermine Weiss and Chaos, I said they’re below Sephiroth, how is that undermining them when SE say everything is below him? Go on, tell me SE made a mistake. Of course that move would kill any one else in FFVII, it killed the most pwerful being, so use your common sense.
Can i just say Weiss and Chaos have invinceible body’s born to compose vast ammount’s of energy (the whole planet) as said by Hojo the guy who practicaly made all of them what they are, and that is to never age and never tarnish in Weiss and Chaos respective term’s so no Omni-Slash would not beat them as so far it is too slow and just a move invented by a Solider.
Can I just say that Weiss had his ass given to him, and Chaos is dead. So theyy are not invincible, indestructable and invincible are two different things. And the fact that Chaos turned into the lifestream proves he’s not so badass ass you’re making out. You’re going by what Hojo says? Wasn’t he the one that thought Cloud was failure? So how is his opinion more valid than SE?
a, You dident witch is good cus he isnt
Well then why did you bring it up?
b, No it’s made erelivent by the fact Cloud FAILED to avoid it...
Did Sephiroth kill him, it fails because what you’re trying to say that Chaos would pwn Cloud like that when even Sephiroth didn’t. And he actually avoided a faster move inside the Shinra builing, and you fail to admit the fact that Cloud BLOCKED the attack, he got sent into the building because of Sephiroth’s strength.
c, Actually what i described is accurate to what happened and stand’s as a fact why not give your veiw of what happened?
SE say they were 'fighting ferociously' That’s not an opinion.
d,e, No that quotation was taken from the AC UO in describeing how Sephiroth responded and acted throughout the battle, witch the AC UO deal’s with all thing’s AC DoC is a seperate party all together and follow’s different material.
Then why is it in Sephiroth’s animation section? How he acted? So Sephrioth not sweating is how he acted? LMFAO @ U.
It wasn’t about the battle it was about his animation, period. Sephiroth is not limited to human weaknesses, that’s why he doesn’t blink, sweat, not because of the battle where you say shit like he was 'toying with Cloud'
f, Sorry i was under the impretion being cured healed you of such triffles in FF my bad.
He was cured of a disease actually, not because he was low on energy, does an esuna replenish HP?
g, no but surly your awear you dont need to be worn out to lose a fight, it say’s outclassed when conserning the fight witch leed’s one to belive Sephiroth was much better than Cloud was one slip and he could have nailed him (ive pointed out three so far) but this was not what Sephiroth wished as he made painfully clear so there you have it.
Did I say you had to be worn out? I said Cloud lost because he was worn out, what’s your point, you cannot say he wasn’t worn out when he clearly was. He was outmatched, NOT outclassed, and even being outmatched is vague, in what department? SE doesn’t specify. Where could he have beaten Cloud anytime sooner, go on tell me again so I can prove you wrong. Yeah Sephiroth plays with the one person that’s made him look shit, twice, oh yeah he stabs him in hte chest because that couldn’t possibly be a fatal wound.
h, you missed this one.
h, Seph ask’s him what he cherished most so he can have the pleasure of takeing it away from him (to take it away would mean Cloud would have to be alive to take it from, showing he intended to torture Cloud).
That shows Sephiroth’s arrogance, again I stress to you, where the fuck in the fight did Sephiroth have the chance to instapwn Cloud?
i, Seem’s im doing all the leg work but ok, FULL powered slices you mean like the same kind he used to cut up the Mako cannon in Crisis Core, when conserning Sephiroth who wasnt aiming to kill it say’s he never sweat’s blink’s he outclasses Cloud and swing’s his sword with little effort...sure the battle seemed intence but was it really from Sephiroth’s point of veiw.
Wasn’t that canon a simulation? Sephiroth using full power, not because he needs to to slice buildinggs, but because HE CAN, you see Cloud doing the same, where the building sets on fire. The bit in bolded is the shit you got off the IGN faqs and because you believe that over the book, pretty much anything you believe can be considered bullshit, and outclassed is different from outmatched, read the UO and Reunion files, then get back to me.
7. So if i answer those question’s im broken fair enough, if sephiroth beat Cloud there were more to take his place, Avolanche left the fight to Cloud as it was his battle, Avolanche never appeared to be struggleing with Bahamut it never even landed a blow on them? they were mainly conserned with directing it away from the city before Cloud showed up, and dident seem worried in the least when battleing it.
Cloud beat Bahamut with their help, Cloud would use materia as he was keeping it with him in the church for just such an occation but Loz took it, then Yuffie brought him somemore showing they planned to use it, Avolaunche never came back to try interveneing in Cloud’s fight but they would if he lost.
Vincent was referring to Kadaj, when he said 'He can handle this' One, they did fuck all to Bahamut, two: They couldn’t get near Sephiroth because of the miasma (sp?) Sephiroth created, I’m sure you see the negative lifestream cover midgar buildings, are you blind? They never appear to be struggling? So why didn’t they harm it in those two hours, why did Tifa say that Cloud has surpassed them in not so many words? It doesn’t matter what Bahamut did, the fact is THEY couldn’t stop it. See, all this shit about distracting it and waiting for Cloud is absolute horseshit, all you’ve done is used your opinion to try and make sense and then you deem it a fact. Cloud was the one that sliced it, so HE beat it. See you’re assuming Cloud would use materia there, you assumed that. He wasn’t keeping it for any occaision, opinion again, where does SE say he was keeping materia for a fight? Cloud doesn’t use or need materia, read the UO and Reunion files. And they wouldn’t have helped because they couldn’t have, and if they did, they would die a horrible death.
. Russo has demonstrated Omni-Slash speed there is nothing to surggest she cant avoid it mabe Cloud tried it on her who know’s all i know is she killed everyone she came across till Cloud and both wouldent run quitely into the night now would they?, and a little while passes before you meet her with Vincent who require’s no spechial move to defeat her.
. Russo has demonstrated Omni-Slash speed there is nothing to surggest she cant avoid it mabe Cloud tried it on her who know’s all i know is she killed everyone she came across till Cloud and both wouldent run quitely into the night now would they?, and a little while passes before you meet her with Vincent who require’s no spechial move to defeat her.
Where does Rosso leave her bodies behind her? Yes there is somthing to suggest, he she above Sephiroth? NO, then she’s slower and quite vulnerable to that move. Everyone she killed is not on Cloud’s level lmao. See you’re assuming about running quietly into the night, did you see me saying anything like 'zomfg clud wud insta pwn her'? Nope, I said neither of us know, so it’s pointless to speculate. Did I say Cloud would rely on omnislash to kill her? All I said is that it would ista pwn her if he used it. Read what I say before you assume some bullshit.
Cloud dident even harm Russo...who is way way WAY under Weiss or Chaos Vincent beat her in regular form now Weiss and Chaos are ubove this by far that is a fact (opinion is Omni-Slash being GODLY, and can beat anyone) as stated by you sir so stop clinging to outdatted document’s.
So what happened in this intriguing battle? do tell, oh wait you didn’t see it, so your OPINION is invalid. Of course omnislash is godly, it diced a demi-god. I said Cloud’s omnislash could insta pwn anyone if he used it.
Hahaha you are the most funniest person I’ve ever debated with.
1. You say something, without any factual proof from the creators.
2. You say SE didn’t want to replace Sephiroth.
3. I say SE say Sephiroth IS the most powerful with a dircet quote.
4. You say I rely on SE too much (even though they made it)
5. You say UO was made before DoC was released, when they both came out in 2006.
6. You completely ignore anything that contradicts what you say.
7. You give me false bullshit about Sephiroth not breaking a sweat, and not blinking, stating that it wasn’t a part of his animation.
8. And the worst thing you tell me to stop clinging to outdated information which you yourself have 'claimed' to quote. So you have just told yourself to stop using outdated shit, don’t you see you’ve just pwned yourself there, because you won’t accept it you reject it, even though you’ve been using it yourself, and sorry to break it to you, but the UO isn’t outdated.
9. Sephiroth is far from all powerful Cloud proved that more than once, but likewise Cloud isnt invinceible by beating Sephiroth when he never went for the kill and showed no sighn’s of tire or Strife, Weiss has shown to be superior to AC Sephiroth (pull up your little document from before DoC’s timeframe if you want) but this just mean’s Weiss would not hold back he owe’s Cloud nothing and outdouse him in every feild.
The other two times, Sephiroth wasn’t a lifestream manipulating being. DID ID SAY CLOUD WAS INVINCIBLE, DID I? I JUST SAY ALOT OF PEOPLE THINK HE’S A CHUMP BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER THE ILLUSION THAT SEPHIROTH WAS 'PLAYING' WITH HIM. For the last time that is a part of his animation. Weiss is not superior, and he only is in YOUR OPINION, not SE’s FACTS.
Sephiroth didn’t hold back, Cloud held his own for quite sometime, so Weiss is below Sephiroth which would make the battle less difficult.
I dare Say Cloud is that much stroonger than base Vincent and i have feat’s to prove he isnt but we all know Weiss picked Vincent apart with little effort even after Vincent fought Azul and Russo and Nero (douse that just mean Vincent was wornout aswell) no it mean’s Weiss would crush Vincent in the blink of an eye without Chaos (an actual Godly entity).
Vincent is weaker, less powerful or whatever you call it than Cloud, confirmed by the Bahamut fight. Weiss owning Vincent only show’s how lame he was, I’d worry about Vincent when fighting someone like Sephiroth then, if he can’t face a base Weiss. What has Vince being worn out got to do with this? Are you trying to say Cloud wasn’t worn out when fighting Sephiroth? And the last time I checked Vince used items, materia and shit lololololo, talk about brute force. Actually, Weiss didn’t/wouldn’t beat Vince in a blink of an eye, you’re just hugging Weiss’s balls now. Vincent isn’t that hopeless.
10. Im still waiting for that Omni-Slash thing,
I posted you the quote in the last post I made, what’s wrong with your eyes? LOL
Hehehehehehehe a fan made site, did SE make this, or was it your uncle? LOL
11. My dear boy you have much to learn if you think a few word’s win a debate, Sephiroth is proven beatable by Cloud useing Omni-Slash witch has yet to be shown as slown down...they are limited in most area’s of this debate horribly and surpassed in DoC your only protection is an UO that is written before DoC or Crisis Core for that matter plus the Fact Kateise had little to do with DoC...
Don’t call me boy... and bring something to me that SE have said to porve me wrong about what SE said LOL.
You have a lot to learn about ignoring facts.
2. Actually you will find the force that Chaos put into stoping Omega from accending (witch is even more impressive as the strongest weapon) knocked it down into the planet back into the LifeStream so that completely obliterates Cloud giveing Sin a bump on the head.
My gosh i really dident realize how much stronger Chaos was till you pointed that strenth is all about hitting thing’s over not lifting them my bad i mean if i punch a 7 ft guy on his ass i must be strong stronger than the guy who can lift him huh.
3. Actually my deluded little freind it is the AC UO and deal’s with Advent only DoC was added in later and wasnt included because it would spoil the upcomeing story, Weiss was First Class has G-J Cell’s is Emporer of all SOLIDER and in the comanding Unit known as the Tsveit’s has an invinceible body free from Jeanova’s control harnessed on a pure Mako strain and housed Omega’s Might, he beat the Restrictor who alone defeated the top branch of SOLIDER in one night wooped Azul and Russo in their strongest form’s and took on Chaos a beast so powerful it quaked the earth can strip the earth dry from all life and move faster than can be seen.
So there you have it it is not my opinion Weiss and Chaos are better the game made them that way when they surpassed what Sephiroth was capable of doing.
4. Did it ever accure to you that he was the strongest so far DoC had not been added yet deal with it you will have to find another way of proveing Seph supream cus quight frankly DoC was left out of AC UO and wernt part of the continuity yet so you fail how can he be better than being’s who had not been introduced yet that’s just rediculus?, like me being the strongest you come along and surpass everything i ever did but no im still the strongest because this outdated paper said so (you and i both no that’s ball’s).
5. did i say FanBoy...ego my my you think to much to assume that i have an ego, mabe im just betterat this than you?, so now Cloud’s 6 slash’s minus ten are better than 16 slashe’s with a big sword...im speechless that truely is Godlike...Omni-Slash killed the strongest stated so far in FF7 not to date pal.
6. Chaos dident die and neither did Omega they returned to the earth untill needed once more freeing Vincent from his curse, Cloud was a failure he still did not compare with Sephiroth...what’s your point?, Vincent and Weiss were given indistructable body’s they cant age or be damaged on exterior Weiss knock’s Vincent’s Bullet’s from the air for crying out loud with bare fleash Hojo said that the experiment’s he did on Vincent made him pefect to house Chaos with the metamorphasis programe (basicaly J-Cell’s can alter shape this allowed Vincent to change form Galian beast and so forth) he was made practicaly immortal hence being constantly 27 when he is actually 60 and counting.
so not opinion again but fact they had more durable body’s than Seph or Cloud could dream.
7.
a, just being clear
b, Actually i never thought of that but yea Chaos is alot faster so Cloud would probably be dead before he noticed, i was mainly pointing out Sephiroth could have impailed him rather than shov him into the building.
c, Cloud sure but they basically say Sephiroth was takeing it easy throughout the fight...he probably could have eaten a bacon bun while at it.
d, They actually went on to say he was animated in that way to help make the appearanc ethat he never try’s, a blind bat could see he was holding back drasticaly in that fight why cant you???
e, That is a materia riiight dident see him use one?
f, He could impail him when he blindsided him, Inside the Shinra Building when he keep’s poping up all over the place, and when Cloud was geting thrashed in hand to hand on the roof...oh yea and he impailed Cloud through the Shoulder Outmached pretty much is Outclassed it mean’s Sephiroth wa too good and Cloud couldent meassure up big deal huh.
g,h, If it was Sephiroth’s desire to kill Cloud from the get go then he would have but instead he chose to torture Cloud for previouse humiliation’s he wanted to see Cloud in Angwish.
i, erm no Simulation’s were ment to be basic Drill’s untill Genesis decided he actually wanted to kill Sephiroth the room they end up in is very small compared with the area they fight across so it is all to great a question of how real it was surpose it all depend’s on FF7 tech and how gd it is, my guess is to say it is extreamly good right down to the last detail.
8, That’s a lie Russo move’s so fast she make’s three of herself and disappear’s from sight Omni-Slash was slower than that, so she could avoid it i rest my case.
9. You completely dodged the fact that both Weiss and Chaos are ubove Cloud by comparison due to the Russo incident...but anyway,
1. I say and give link’s when asked for and everything i do say you can bet your ass happened.
2. They dident
3.you said their is nothing ubove him and nothing stronger but have yet gave a link to any proof of were you got it?
4. you rely on certain statement’s without any visual backing it’s all assumption and not credibal beacase of this Seph is limited.
5. DoC was after AC so therefore is out of the time frame nuff said
6. because it is wrong
7. it is part of the animation to make him seem like he isnt trying.
8. well considering Seph and Cloud havent changed since AC the eveidence surrounding them remain’s the same.
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