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One, exactly, Ki is not equal to Chakra. Two, even if it was by cultural definition (which again, it isn’t) Goku, being from the Dragonball universe, does not have the Chakra system of the Naruto Universe. Itachi’s power works on the Deus Ex Machina system established in his own narrative, and you cannot apply the Deus Ex Machina of Naruto to characters other universes. Simply because Goku has ki, a lifeforce/supernatural energy system, is no grounds for claiming the Deus Ex Machina of Dragonball (Ki in the Toriyama sense) works ANYTHING like the Deus Ex Machina of the Naruto universe (Chakra in the Kishimoto sense). Saying they are the same thing is a MASSIVE assumption on your part. And for the record, you have yet to explain how, even if it was possible, Itachi could control the massive ammount of energy Goku has.
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1.The genjutsu does the energy part and itachi controls the senses. Our cells have energy goku has cells thats what charaka the energy in cell so the charaka system is an energy so my bad he’s not controling his ki the genjutsu links itachi to his senses so in a way the genjutsu is controling the energy in his cells whitch would be easy.
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Three, I have no idea who Porknbeans is, nor have I participated in a Ichigo VS Goku thread. Just because I’m a guest and have a differing opinion is no excuse for your baseless accusations and your generally offensive attitude.
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2. You forgot about biggs and you said the EXACT same thing that porknbeans did on sakura and chi chi.
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Congrats on pointlessly explaining something which completely misses the point. You succeeded in completely missing the point. Mind control, sense manipulation, illusion conjuring etc etc etc all falls into a category of altering the brain (or the Deus Ex Machina associated with the brain, such as Itachi’s method) via a Deus Ex Machina (supernatural force established in a narrative). Babidi and Itachi both use a supernatural method of altering the brain, the mind, but simply for different ends (one causes illusions while the other can control or kill a person at will). The fact is, in terms of this field, Babidi COMPLETELY outclasses Itachi as Itachi, despite the coolness of the Mangenkyo-Sharingan, has never shown anywhere near the mental-badassery Babidi has. There is a MASSSIVE difference in power between a guy who can make you experience a torture-realm and a guy who can kill you from across the planet with merely a thought. The fact that Goku and co were immune to the methods of this superior being is EASILY grounds for claiming Goku would shrug off Tsukuyomi like nothing. Just because you are trying to force a wedge between Babidi and Itachi’s styles of mental-manipulation (whether for illusionary or destructive ends) makes no difference whatsoever.
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3.No, Itachi was controling the senses while badidi while babidi was a master telepath(controled people) itachi is a master of genjutsu(controls the senses) the fact that they are is diffent means that goku will not just shake it off after days of torture(remember oozaru vegeta and when he had that virus and he was in great pain he couldn’t handle it). It makes an illusion over the mind not control it.
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Okay one, you are vastly overestimating the “logic” used in manga/comic books. We are talking about a show in which people can somehow pulls logs out of Hammerspace and make it look like themselves long enough to intercept an attack, yet somehow are unable to grasp the VAST MAGNITUDE of possibilities associated with using such abilities to a different end. That said, we accept it because, well, its fun. Please keep that in mind.
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Blah Blah Blah.
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Two, who the hell are you to DECIDE the physics system of the Naruto universe based upon no-one’s interpretation of the material save your own? That’s not only bullcrap, it’s freaking pompous. You claim logic and reason are what you use, but in fact you are using your own interpretation of the story, based on your own “logic and reason” as grounds for overiding what the WRITER HIMSELF IS SAYING. That’s just absurd, even IF you wanted to abandon Kishimoto’s input, you alone are still in no position to single-handedly decide how things stand in Naruto and Dragonball.
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5.I didn’t decided that in fact the series said it. Charaka energy in cells it was already said in the series.
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Three, a lightning attack is not equal to lightning, as proven over and over again in comic books. That theory of yours is not only silly, but completely contradictory. You are claiming that because lightning moves at the peultimate speed in OUR WORLD, that NOT EVEN LIGHTNING ITSELF, but an ATTACK WITH THE AETHESTHIC LOOK OF LIGHTNING in the Naruto Universe works on the same physics system, and therefore Kakashi = teh uber speed. That, frankly, is just retarded. You are skewering your own theory because you are half-assing the application of our worlds physics to the Naruto Universe. What you fail to realize is that if the Naruto universe worked on our worlds physics, and therefore the attack was moving lightspeed (as lightning does in our world) (which therefore ment that Kakashi was moving equally fast), that not only would the attack be INSTANTANEOUS (i.e. NO PANELS, literally just the attack in a single panel) but the force of Kakashi going from standstill to subluminal speeds would have OBLITERATED THE PLANET. Do you have any grasp of physics? Do you realize that the sheer force of jet engines flying low can overturn cars and destroy houses? You, good sir, DRASTICALLY underestimate the power of kinetic speed in our world. If you apply our world’s physics to the Naruto universe, you must do so absolutely, in which case your theory falls apart as..well..Kakashi moving that speed is not only impossible, but apocalyptic! If you fall back on the old “well this is comic books so people can move lightspeed without consequences” then I can EASILY say the same thing in that a supernatural attack with an aesthetic look or derivitation from lightning/electricty is NOT EQUAL TO REAL LIGHTING OR ELECTRICAL CHARGES. If we go by your logic, that everyone who can dodge, intercept or counter lightning-looking attacks is moving above luminal limits then do you realize how retarded that would be? It would mean that Pokemon are moving post-luminal because they can dodge Pikachu’s thunderbolt, or that Spiderman is moving faster then Superman because he can evade Electro’s blasts. Your theory is just crap, you have to see that.
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6.Its an elemental attack like Haku’s ice whitch was stronger than normal ice and Yamato’s wood attacks are harder than normal wood so why would the lightning be slower that would make any sense and its FICTION what do you think? Plus I think thats light speed your talking about and the flash didn’t destroy the planet when he was moveing faster than light because its FICTION.Plus is like half the speed of light not the whole thing.
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Finally, as for the evidence of Goku moving lightspeed, I would check out the Superman VS Goku thread (I have a hard time buying the idea of you actually reading through all 1000+ pages), but right off the top of my head the fact that, in the manga anyway, that Goku literally flash-steps from Frieza’s ship to the battlefield in an instant, moving across a planet roughly the size of earth in an instant with no panel-intercept time, is grounds enough for claiming that. There’s also the power level calculations (check out Gplex’s sig I think) and the fact that Dragonball physics are just silly in general (Goku dodging bullets with a power level of 100 and then being billions of times faster/stronger as a basic Super Saiyan). And no, I don’t give two craps if you consider power levels applicable, that’s your own opinion, it’s a incredibly important aspect of the narrative and Toriyama’s work > your problems.
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7.Light moves faster than that and how long was it stated for goku to get there in the manga? And why does Goku not moved that fast again in the buu saga? If he was faster than light wouldn’t he have save Trunks,Piccole, and his sons in time?
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Really? I did? When was this again? Pretty sure I have a strict policy to NEVER post in the Goku VS Superman thread as that place is a never-ending feat-chucking fest which will go on long after the sun has extinguished. One which I care to stay out of thank you. As for who I think would win, I’d have to say a tie as theres been way too much debate and both sides seem to be able to keep up with one another. But that’s not the topic here.
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8.All of that was unnecessary.
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Yeah great, and Kakashi moving from 0 to 93000 MPS would produce the same kinetic force as a Hydrogen bomb and Kakashi himself would heat up to near solar-levels. Do you understand how physics works? That force doesn’t just “magically vanish”, it ends up being turned into heat or a shockwave. Again, you can’t apply our worlds physics to manga, hence the lightning attack is not real lightning and is not moving 93000 MPS. Kishimoto capped the limit at Mach 1 or 2, and his word > your fanboyism. Deal with it.
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9.I doubt he has the stamina for that plus the lightning bolts only went a flew feet before he got to Choji and Shika they couldn’t even react to it.Since it was lightning it must have been less than a second when it happen.
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Then how do you propose Itachi kill Goku? Seriously, even in the best case scenario for you Itachi basically stands there while Goku stands around going “aarggh! ooww!!" as he experiences Kiyohime. Goku won’t be able to fight back, but Itachi can’t do anything either as he has no feats in the planet-ending level and can’t come anywhere NEAR Goku’s output. Stab him with a kunai? Goku’s body laughs at artillery shells and homing missles. A special jutsu? Nothing in Naruto save possibly the Biju come anywhere near even Base-Goku’s level, let alone SSJ 1, 2 and 3. Furthermore, it doesn’t “damage the mind” it damages the psyche. When you say “damage the mind” it makes it sound like Goku will come out of it mentally handicapped. Not so, the Tsukuyomi basically makes you experience your own personel hell for a specific period. In the case of Kakashi and Sasuke, the individual passes or is put into a coma from shock/trauma. Thing is, Goku, being both simple-minded and having willpower second to none, probably wouldn’t take a whole lot of damage from Tsukuyomi. I mean seriously, what could Itachi even show this guy? He doesn’t know any of Goku’s loved ones (as he did with Naruto and Sasuke) and even still Goku’s already witnessed his comrades falling so that’s nothing major (“well, I’ll just revive um with the Dragonballs!" ^_^). Inflict torture or major pain like he did with Kakashi? I’m fairly sure there is a constant IV of painkiller running through Goku’s veins!! FFS he keeps fighting even after 90% of his bones have been turned to dust (see Vegeta saga)!! The guy just doesn’t cave to pain. So yeah, even in the best case for your side the attack is both ineffective on Goku and only produces a temporary stalemate until Goku inevitably gets up and punches Itachi’s head off.
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10.I never said it would kill him and you forgot about the last jutsu.
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Yeah again, OUR WORLD’S PHYSICS DO NOT EQUAL NARUTO/DRAGONBALL’S. And are you seriously suggesting Itachi could arm-wrestle Goku out of control of his own chi? That’s actually laughably silly. If Goku’s energy were so easily manipulated guys like Devilman, Yakkon, Captain Ginyu and Babidi would have handed him his ass on a silver platter. Obviously, at least in the Dragonball universe, its a hell of alot harder, if not impossible, to gain control of another person’s energy fully, let alone do so with the finess and delicacy needed for mental manipulation.
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11.Charaka energy in cells said in naruto already like our cells.
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Yup you got me, you uncovered my master plan to pretend to be several different guest to........do what exactly? What was my evil plan there again? I have no idea who porknbeans is and just because biggs is a guest who doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean we are the same person. *sarcastic* because as we all know it’s TOTALLY impossible that two guests disagree with you and your “correct way of thinking." Wow dude, just wow.
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12.Yeah you are him.
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And yeah if it isn’t fatal how exactly do you propose Itachi finish this? That seems to be a rather large hole in your theory.....
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13.The two other MS powers.
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and what controls the senses children!? (class: the mind!) Yay! You all get a cookie! (tosses a cookie to the children).
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14.You missed the whole point.
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Okay, first of all lava is not volatile idiot, but I think I can derive what you are trying to say and yes, the moon and earth both have cores. What you don’t grasp is how much sheer POWER it takes to STOP the core of the planet, let alone VAPORIZE it. Even setting off 498 atomic bombs DIRECTLY at the core of the earth wouldn’t even be enough force to stop or start it’s movement, let alone VAPORIZE it. Do you seriously think we are just sitting on a giant grenade? Go read a textbook, it’s fairly hard, if not impossible to destroy planets cleanly what with gravity, rotational speed and sheer force being a factor. Planets = tough, dude.
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15.You missed another point again and 2 comes after one.
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And you don’t want Itachi to win? FFS every post you make here VOMITS Naruto fanboyism all over the place. Naruto characters moving faster then Dragonball characters, Itachi being able to blink people out. It’s laughably overpowering. The great thing about Naruto is that Kishimoto-Sensei actually bothered to cap a limit on his characters, which makes them more real and less two-dimesional. Despite their powers, they still face the same old mortal danger we do in the real world (such as being stabbed by ordinary steel, falling from cliffs, lacking oxygen etc). This is opposed to characters like Goku and Superman who, frankly, are just “I beat anything that comes at me” characters who have little to NO vulnerabilities. Stop trying to make the Naruto characters into omnipotents just because you like them. The topic isn’t whose a better character, it’s who would win in a fight. Itachi isn’t neccesarily inferior to Goku in terms of whose cooler (though Son Goku is the father of all Shonen and you MUST respect that fact.) but you’re comparing someone who is in the Superman/Mr. Marvel category to someone who, at best, is a fairly strong D&D character with a line-of-sight attack for a Fortitude-save. It’s just unfair for Itachi, his creator actually caps limits where as Toriyama lets his characters become planet-enders. But still, even if you are a fan of Naruto or Bleach or whatever, you shouldn’t come in here trying to turn those characters into something they’re not. It corrupts the brilliance of the original work and the mortality and indentification associated with them and their characters when you claim the very-mortal Itachi could take on someone like Galactus.
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Unnecessary if your that upset leave.

Last edited 24 Mar 2008 05:32 pm by Grimmjow

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"1.The genjutsu does the energy part and itachi controls the senses. Our cells have energy goku has cells thats what charaka the energy in cell so the charaka system is an energy so my bad he’s not controling his ki the genjutsu links itachi to his senses”
You missed the point yet again. Wow, you sure are good at ignoring stuff that contradicts you. Anyway, regardless of whether or not Chakra is celluar energy, the fact remains that you cannot apply the Deus Ex Machina of the Naruto Universe (the Chakra in the Kishimoto sense) to the Dragonball Universe, which has a completely different system of energy altogether. There is NO CHAKRA SYSTEM in Dragonball, there is NO HANDSEAL/CHAKRA relationship in Dragonball and there is NO ELEMENTALISM CHAKRA in Dragonball. Not only are these things non-existant in the Dragonball universe, they don’t actually apply to the basic cultural origins of the real world concept of chakra itself, they are just things Kishimoto Sensei came up with to make his series cool. You are trying to give Goku the Naruto energy system simply so that Itachi can win and that’s a bunch of bullcrap.

“so in a way the genjutsu is controling the energy in his cells whitch would be easy."

Goku has full mastery over his own Chi, which is the universal energy of Dragonball and that INCLUDES the energy in his Cells. What do you think a Kamehameha is? It’s the gathered ki (body energy) in Goku’s body. Not only does Goku have full mastery of his own body’s energy, he is so powerful that he can sense and draw in the energy of inanimate objects or celluar-level life on other planets. Itachi arm-wrestling the control of Goku’s celluar energy away from him is laughable. And seriously, that’s your own assumption, if Itachi could freely control celluar energy in his opponents he would be godlike, able to make their vital organs stop working by shutting down the flow of blood via celluar control. You are again overpowering Itachi because you want him to win. Stop it fanboy.

“2. You forgot about biggs and you said the EXACT same thing that porknbeans did on sakura and chi chi."

When, where? Who/what are you talking about and why are you so paranoid?

“3.No, Itachi was controling the senses while badidi while babidi was a master telepath(controled people) itachi is a master of genjutsu(controls the senses) the fact that they are is diffent means that goku will not just shake it off after days of torture(remember oozaru vegeta and when he had that virus and he was in great pain he couldn’t handle it). It makes an illusion over the mind not control it."

And what controls the senses children (the mind!) good, see THEY pay attention. Again you missed the point novice. Goku is immune to mental manipulation. Mental manipulation INCLUDES controlling the senses because, ONE MORE TIME, what controls the senses children!? (the mind!) wow aren’t they smart

And wow, your noobishness astounds. Even people who no little-to-nothing above Dragonball know that GT is not cannon. Lmao.

“5.I didn’t decided that in fact the series said it. Charaka energy in cells it was already said in the series."

No but you’re deciding that Kakashi moves faster then lightning and that Itachi can blink-out people. Oh and lets not forget the best part! “Itachi can control cell energy....but for some reason never decides to IGNORE the more beastly applications of this mysterious ability and just uses it to mess with people’s heads..." Give me a break, you have your head jammed so far up your ass your eyeballs are going to turn into diamonds.

“6.Its an elemental attack like Haku’s ice whitch was stronger than normal ice and Yamato’s wood attacks are harder than normal wood so why would the lightning be slower that would make any sense and its FICTION what do you think? Plus I think thats light speed your talking about and the flash didn’t destroy the planet when he was moveing faster than light because its FICTION.Plus is like half the speed of light not the whole thing."

Am I talking to seven year old? Seriously now, you think so basically I can only assume you must be a child. “Oh the ice is harder then real ice so then the lightning attack must be faster the real lightning!" Idiot, there is no “REAL LIGHTNING” in Naruto because they don’t have our worlds physics! Holy crap you are dense. You can’t say the lightning = our world’s lightning because it not only lasts several panels (real lighting would be instant) and the fact that if you apply our world’s physics to a fictional work, you do so absolutely, Kakashi cannot move 93000 MPS because that would cause a disaster. OBVIOUSLY IT ISN’T OUR WORLDS PHYSICS, so don’t go babblering about how Kakashi dodged a lightning attack, as it isn’t our world’s take on lightning. Plenty of people INCLUDING GOKU has done similar or superior speed feats in comic books. And AGAIN Kishimoto’s opinion > your fanboyism.

“7.Light moves faster than that and how long was it stated for goku to get there in the manga? And why does Goku not moved that fast again in the buu saga? If he was faster than light wouldn’t he have save Trunks,Piccole, and his sons in time?"

I totally find this hilarious:

“Light moves faster then that!"

and then.

“how long was it stated for goku to get there in the manga!"

Wow your fanboyism is going strong isnt it?
Why should I even bother answering that, you’ve already decided that light is faster then whatever occured in the manga regardless of what proof I show you that prooves otherwise. For your information novice there WAS NO TRAVEL TIME, Goku literally just from point A (on one side of Namek) to B (other side of Namek) INSTANTLY. It certainly could be argued thats near-luminal limits, but one things for sure, its a heck of alot faster then any speed feat Itachi’s got.
And Goku does move just as fast in the Buu Saga. As for your question its pretty simple really, he was already holding onto Mr. Satan, being chased by a planet-ending blast and DESPERATELY trying to focus on a ki signature BILLIONS OF LIGHTYEARS AWAY for Instant Transmission. Quite a multi-task. Vegeta didnt see the kids and by the time Kaioshinn-sama arrived Goku only got enough time to see them before they were forcibly ported to the Heaven Planet. Moving away would have not only risked his life, but Vegeta’s, Mr. Satan’s AND Kaioshinn-sama’s (as Goku was the link between them all for teleportation).

“9.I doubt he has the stamina for that plus the lightning bolts only went a flew feet before he got to Choji and Shika they couldn’t even react to it.Since it was lightning it must have been less than a second when it happen."

Yeah, it moved fast, no ones questioning that, but just because it moves less then a second does not make it real lightning at all. And Kakashi is fast, no question, but theres a big difference between moving fast enough to cover a select portion of ground in a second and moving 98000 MPS. You drastically underestimate how fast things can get in the universe.

“10.I never said it would kill him and you forgot about the last jutsu."

The next best thing Itachi’s got going for him is the Amteratsu and Susanoo, neither of which are anywhere near Dragonball level attacks. Fact is his techs have such a bad stamina drain he’d probably end up passing out trying to breakthrough Goku’s skin using the two techs, look at his fight against Sasuke.

“11.Charaka energy in cells said in naruto already like our cells."

Like does not mean EQUALS idiot. And again, Goku = Master of his own bodies energy, including the cells.

“12.Yeah you are him."

Think what you want, whats the point in trying to suay a stubborn fool away from his decision...

“13.The two other MS powers."

Neither of which are anywhere near Dragonball level...

“14.You missed the whole point."

If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black. Just because you are too lazy/ignorant to write out a full response don’t blame it on me. Saying “you missed the point” without providing evidence just shows how out-of-ideas you really are.

“15.You missed another point again and 2 comes after one."

Because we both know you NEEEVEERR make typos *rolls eyes*.

“Unnecessary if your that upset leave."

I’m not upset, I just think it’s stupid that you are so desperate to have Itachi win...I guess due to some self-esteem problem you have, that you find it neccesary to totally corrupt the brilliant narrative of Naruto by tastelessly power-whoring its characters. Some fan you are.

I also think it’s stupid that you’re clearly out of ideas on how to counter to a point of which you write one-sentence answers (most of which are garbled or riddled with typos) which either completely miss the point or basically are pointless responses. Saying “you missed the point” over and over again doesnt mean crap unless you can back that up with some evidence child. Seriously, its been like two-three posts...are you seriously done already? Out of ideas?How dissapointing...

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goku will snap itachi’s little sissy sword. its a fact that Bleach characters cant even fly, they just added that into the series for no fucking reason without any explanation.

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You missed the point yet again. Wow, you sure are good at ignoring stuff that contradicts you. Anyway, regardless of whether or not Chakra is celluar energy, the fact remains that you cannot apply the Deus Ex Machina of the Naruto Universe (the Chakra in the Kishimoto sense) to the Dragonball Universe, which has a completely different system of energy altogether. There is NO CHAKRA SYSTEM in Dragonball, there is NO HANDSEAL/CHAKRA relationship in Dragonball and there is NO ELEMENTALISM CHAKRA in Dragonball. Not only are these things non-existant in the Dragonball universe, they don’t actually apply to the basic cultural origins of the real world concept of chakra itself, they are just things Kishimoto Sensei came up with to make his series cool. You are trying to give Goku the Naruto energy system simply so that Itachi can win and that’s a bunch of bullcrap.
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1.Essential to even the most basic jutsu, chakra is mixture of the energy present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy gained from exercise and experience. Once mixed, it can be channeled through the chakra circulatory system, which is to chakra as the regular circulatory system is to blood. Witch dbz characters have and check this out.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/147/04/

Plus elemental chakra is a has nothing to do with genjutsu.
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Goku has full mastery over his own Chi, which is the universal energy of Dragonball and that INCLUDES the energy in his Cells. What do you think a Kamehameha is? It’s the gathered ki (body energy) in Goku’s body. Not only does Goku have full mastery of his own body’s energy, he is so powerful that he can sense and draw in the energy of inanimate objects or celluar-level life on other planets. Itachi arm-wrestling the control of Goku’s celluar energy away from him is laughable. And seriously, that’s your own assumption, if Itachi could freely control celluar energy in his opponents he would be godlike, able to make their vital organs stop working by shutting down the flow of blood via celluar control. You are again overpowering Itachi because you want him to win. Stop it fanboy.
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3.There no evidence that ki is at a cellular level it was never even stated all you said was that it came for the body. Android #16 had ki.

Why should I even bother answering that, you’ve already decided that light is faster then whatever occured in the manga regardless of what proof I show you that prooves otherwise. For your information novice there WAS NO TRAVEL TIME, Goku literally just from point A (on one side of Namek) to B (other side of Namek) INSTANTLY. It certainly could be argued thats near-luminal limits, but one things for sure, its a heck of alot faster then any speed feat Itachi’s got.
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4.Did you study the anime? Manga only bud and how long did the manga said it took him? Kakashi couldn’t touch Itachi at 30% of his chakra and theirs the whole lightning thing in his fight with Sasuke.
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And Goku does move just as fast in the Buu Saga. As for your question its pretty simple really, he was already holding onto Mr. Satan, being chased by a planet-ending blast and DESPERATELY trying to focus on a ki signature BILLIONS OF LIGHTYEARS AWAY for Instant Transmission. Quite a multi-task. Vegeta didnt see the kids and by the time Kaioshinn-sama arrived Goku only got enough time to see them before they were forcibly ported to the Heaven Planet. Moving away would have not only risked his life, but Vegeta’s, Mr. Satan’s AND Kaioshinn-sama’s (as Goku was the link between them all for teleportation).
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5.So he should be even faster than light(186,000 miles per second) in ssj2 so he has been fast enough to save piccole,trunks, and his sons plus people on the Superman vs Goku topic still say Goku is still not faster than light speed you probably made it up.
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Like does not mean EQUALS idiot. And again, Goku = Master of his own bodies energy, including the cells.
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6.There goes that ego problem again and it was never said ki came from cell and if he mastered his cell would he be immuned to a virus?
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Think what you want, whats the point in trying to suay a stubborn fool away from his decision...
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7.Thats what Go2movies said about you.....
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Neither of which are anywhere near Dragonball level....
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8.What? Its not a ki attack you think Supes heat vision wou3dn’t hurt him? Lightning 50,000 degrees(hotter than the sun) and it could even put out Amaterasu its like acid because it doesn’t radite heat with Naruto put his face up to it and its clearly hotter than normal flames.The Susanoo will indeed harm Goku and a virus wasn’t anywhere near DBZ level but look what happened to Goku......
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I’m not upset, I just think it’s stupid that you are so desperate to have Itachi win...I guess due to some self-esteem problem you have, that you find it neccesary to totally corrupt the brilliant narrative of Naruto by tastelessly power-whoring its characters. Some fan you are.
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9.You thought he could beat superman please and theres that speed of light crap you said before and you have that ego problem.
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I also think it’s stupid that you’re clearly out of ideas on how to counter to a point of which you write one-sentence answers (most of which are garbled or riddled with typos) which either completely miss the point or basically are pointless responses. Saying “you missed the point” over and over again doesnt mean crap unless you can back that up with some evidence child. Seriously, its been like two-three posts...are you seriously done already? Out of ideas?How dissapointing...
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Now your just bitching.

Last edited 24 Mar 2008 10:28 pm by Grimmjow

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can u two please go out and find some nice girls?

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Its a sword with no real form so how is he going to snap it? Thats like saying he can snap Prime’s sword of truth. Plus why are you talking about Bleach DBZ has WAY more plot holes.

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no dude, bleach’s plot holes are way more obvious, and although bleach has just recently been out compared to DBZ which was out for over 20 years now, Bleach has more plot holes.

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this needs to be locked. we already have one.

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Dude DBZ has tons of pole holes.

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dragon ball z does not have ridiculous plot holes like being able to fly after the hundredth episode for no reason. unforgettable.

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It had Nappa and Vegeta breathing in space.

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... maybe becuz they breathe in space? or maybe becuz they inside a space ship?

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No it was said sayians couldn’t breathe in space in the freeza saga.

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it was stated by freeza in the ending, and it was only directed towards goku.

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So your saying Vegeta and Nappa had tought themselves to breathe in space?

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There’s already one of these.

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/34695p1.html