UltimaLegendXReborn wrote:
Oookay. Some evidence that Kyle hasn’t refuted that Goku kicks his son’s ass...
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Are you all fucking kidding me???
Gohan is in NO WAY superior to Goku OR Superman. If Gohan could have beaten Kid Buu - Vegeta would have summoned him there BUT HE COULDN’T. The Grand Kai trusted GOKU with the fate of the universe, nobody else and oh guess what; Goku’s tough ass ARCHRIVAL admitted Goku was the only one in the entire universe capable of taking Kid Buu down
Supes is almost as strong so... Goku >>> Supes >>>>>>>> Gohan...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan was ubove Goku SSJ3 Proof:
NOT.
Kyle Knight wrote:
1. Goku’s SSJ3 consumes way too much power giveing him 30 mins tops in the transformation, now when reserected on World of the Kia’s Goku says “man in otherworld SSJ3 was easy but in this body it chuggs” meaning in a liveing body the strain is even greater and much harder to attain.
He managed to hold it fine against Kid Buu until he decided to try to go to his max. Wouldn’t make the same mistake twice.
Kyle Knight wrote:
2. Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than Goku’s as we see Goku saying to supream Kia and Kabito that he had to die to attain SSJ3 and train a great deal to learn to control it and still had not quight learned how to maintain it without excerting alot of energy, however Gotenks moved around freely with lack of strain and the huge amounts of energy loss so much so that he came on par with super buu and almost beat him with great effort.
Dude, Goku wasn’t straining... Gotenks reached that level since he’s a FUSION. Example: SSJ Vegeto was SLAUGHTERING Gohan Buu. Fusions have that HUGE boost. Goku couldn’t hold his power since HE WAS THAT POWERFUL. Btw SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu >>>>>>> Mystic Gohan >>>> Super Buu = Gotenks SSJ3
Kyle Knight wrote:
3. Gohan however fought Buu without any effort he made Buu seem like a child and toyed with him showing no sighns of struggle, the brilliant thing about Mystic is that it is his Maximum potentiol released in his normal status so no energy drain and no need to waist power chargeing up as he was constantly able to use his maximum in base form.
Like I said, Goku was doing JUST FINE till he tried to go to full power.
Kyle Knight wrote:
4. Next Gotenks Buu was the combination of an SSJ3 Gotenks Super Buu (Fat Buu and Thin Buu merged) and Piccolo (a being who knew Gohans style flawlessly and could poke at him emotionaly useing the memorys of Goten and Piccolo combined placeing Gohan in a state of unfocus and breaking him down mentaly before beating him pysicaly).
They did no fighitng whatsoever. Gohan swung, missed, got kicked away and hid. Don’t see any “flaws” in his fighitng style since there never was a “fight”...
Kyle Knight wrote:
5. I surpose the biggest point being the fact that even if Goku could last in SSJ3 he still lack’s the power and skill to defeat Gohan, simply by the power toll.
If Goku > Kid Buu, he >>>>>> Gohan
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku vs Fat Buu = Goku probably if he tried but there is always the chance SSJ3 would not last long enough but we will give it too Goku all out.
He’s was TOYING with Fat Buu just like Gohan was with Super Buu. He said he wanted the KIDS TO TAKE CARE OF IT. He said the next generation should be able to take care of themselves but heobviously had to destroy the biggest threat himself (again)
Kyle Knight wrote:
Fat Buu vs Thin Buu = Thin Buu without a doubt flawless pwnage Piccolo even states he is far stronger than Fat Buu makeing me wonder if Goku could beat him?
Fat Buu is the one SSJ3 fought... Mr. Buu and Evil Buu pop out. They’re the same strength but Evil Buu’s better ADAPTED at fighitng (he’s skinnier and faster) So if Goku toys with both of them combined, NO WAY can Evil Buu win.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gotenks SSJ3 vs Super Buu = Normal form was weaker than Fat Buu SSJ was on par with Fat Buu and SSJ3 was on par with Super Buu, even so its 50-50 Gotenks cocked up before and Super Buu wasnt running out of energy...so ill say Super Buu.
Fat Buu and Super Buu are equal in strength. SB’s better adapted once again. And no SSJ Gotenks isn’t as strong as SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Mystic Gohan vs Super Buu = total anialation Gohan picked him apart without trying this means Goku would have to be over 3-4 times Fat Buus power to fight Gohan due too Thin Buu being way more powerful than Fat Buu then the merger of the too into Super Buu and then be able to flawlessly take on Super Buu to fight Gohan (and thats not includeing the power lag).
Just look above - Super Buu is as strong as Fat Buu, buddy. HIS POWER WAS STABLE TILL HE POWERED UP.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Kid Buu vs Goku = Kid Buu no doubt in my mind 1 on 1 the Buu wins here Goku hadent even slowed Kid Buu down with rest and help from Vegeta and Fat Buu going all out only the Spirit Bomb stoped him and Goku was restored to his full strenth again. Kid Buu is easily on par with Super Buu in my opinion as he beat Fat Buu just as easy as the Thin Vertion yet he lacks the brain power of Super Buu... in power he might be stronger and regeneration is quight obviously greater id even say that his stamina is never ending almost!
Funny how Goku lost his energy trying to get to his peak or he woulda WTFPWNED Kid Buu... Kid Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SUper Buu = Fat Buu
Kyle Knight wrote:
So Goku could not have beat Kid Buu without help and even when they fugh the battle seemed tied and eventualy in Buu’s favour as he dousent tire yet Goku douse GREATLY!, as it is with Gohan.
DUDE, HE TIRED HIMSELF OUT - KID BUU DIDN’T DO THAT.
Kyle Knight wrote:
6. Gohan vs Kid Buu = Giveing Gohan never tried against Superbuu and dousent tire unless excesively useing Ki id say Gohan would pumble Kid Buu into a pulp but im not to sure if Gohan could strike the final blow considering the Spirit Bomb beat him?, also considering Kid Buu’s lack of intelligence he couldent mentaly weaken Gohan with taunts, but if Buu destroys the planet he wins apart from that its a waiting game to see who tire’s first.
Kid Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan. Gohan would be dead in 2 minutes. Vegeta said only GOKU could beat him.
Kyle Knight wrote:
oh yea as for skill Goku admits in the time chamber Gohan became just as good a fighter as he was and was capable of much higher levels of strenth than he or any Z fighter could ever hope to imagine, it was also the creators intent that Gohan would eventualy inevitably surpass his farther so in Mystic Gohans full potentiol was awakened (strenth speed skill, and power) notice how Gohan no longer had any of the qirky flaws in his fighting style upon his return and was completely confident in his abilitys.
His power still never matched his dad’s, never will. Are you fucking retarded? Goku’s fighting style is on the very TOP. And no SSJ3 has no quirks - just not being able to reach max power and losing life energy faster...
Kyle Knight wrote:
So their is a pretty large gap in power between father and son but this is rectified the only way they really could (Gohan stops training completely and Goku trains for ten years straight once again reclaiming his title lol).
He kept his title... He could WTFPWN Gohan before even fighitng Kid Buu (got a huge power boost after)
Kyle Knight wrote:
P.S also i noticed that Goku actually surgested to have Gohan and Gotenks come and fight Kid Buu...weird huh why would he do that if he knew they were no match.
He said MAYBE. And note that he said to get both to fight Kid Buu at the same time... Only Goku held his own against Kid Buu ALONE...
Kyle Knight wrote:
It would take all Gokus power to be able to keep up with Gohan man, ur logic is alittle messed up there bud, oh and why say i am a retard cus of my veiw just provide some evidence to prove me wrong thats enough no need to get all bitchy about it im not ur enemy i just see things alittle differently thats all.
Are you STUPID??? Goku would throw away Gohan like yesterday’s trash. Yah, “seeing things differently” by ignoring all my evidence. Huh.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Vegeta dousent (and i garuntee this) say Goku is the onlyone capable of beating Kid Buu.
Yeah, he freaking DOES.
Direct quote: Damn! I wanted to see this SSJ3 up close...
So the battle for the fate of the universe begins. Goku you are glorious. This creature is far behind my power.
Only you can beat him. First I used to think that protecting people created some unfathomable power in you, but I have that reason now too. But I kill to boost my pride.
You never killed your enemies, just fought them to push your limits and get stronger and stronger. That’s why you didn’t kill me either. I should hate you. A saiyan who loves to fight AND is kind? A fighting as well? Good luck, Kakkarot.
You are the champ!
Direct quote: Man, I didn’t know the Patora were so powerful. Buu’s helpless!
Dolt.
Those 2 have the power. The two greatest masters of the living AND the dead
Direct quote: Hmm, I wonder if Goku can win this...
Don’t worry.
My dad can beat ANYBODY - he’s the strongest guy alive! Just watch him beat that genie.
Heh, true. Goku never ceases to amaze me.
Want some scans as well, buddy?
Kyle Knight wrote:
Kid Buu took on Goku twice and Vegeta and Fat Buu without tire it was not untill Goku was given all his strenth back and had the SB that he could beat Kid Buu (if aything he relied on Vegeta and Hurcule a great deal here...even Denda and Supream Kia).
Goku twice? Wtf r u talking about? Vegeta lost in like 1 minute... a few ki blasts, then he gets destroyed. Fat Buu din’t make Kid Buu lose any ki whatsoever. Goku still fought when he lost his energy due to stupidity not fatigue. Oh, and Goku got his energy AFTRER he launched the SSB? Dende, SK and Hercule didn’t do a thing... Hercule just distracted him for a little time.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Alone on a deserted battlefeild Kid Buu would have slaughtered Goku, as we have seen Goku struggles in SSJ3 with a liveing bodey as the strain is much greater.
OMFG. He was fighting ON PAR with Kid Buu until Vegeta said to try to finish him by powering to max. As Kid Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>Super Buu, Goku >>>>> Kid Buu (at max power) meaning Goku >>>>> Gohan.
Kyle Knight wrote:
(mabe as you say Goku with Maximum power SSJ3 would win, but he could not attain it).
Did he need it to go toe to toe with Kid Buu? Thought so.
Kyle Knight wrote:
The Buu issue is simple Fat Buu fought Evil Buu Piccolo says “I cant belive it Denda he is even more powerful” thats were i got that from dude Piccolo says it and i belive him, next Super Buu swallows Fat Buu tranceforming, now when he arrives on the lookout Piccolo says that they have NEVER encountered a power like this before Buu would anialate Gotenks now and they need to breakthrough to win (keep in mind they have already senced Goku SSJ3 and Gotenks SSJ).
Funny how Goku was in the AFTERLIFE at this point. It wasn’t too much for Gotenks... SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu... He’s never said anything on the “power” He commented on the “EVIL”. Super Buu’s better adapted at fighitng. For example 2(Mr. Buu)+2(Evil Buu)=(Fat Buu). Then one 2 (the better one at fighting) gains dominance and “fuses” with the other 2. It’s better at fighitng BUT STILL 4. Capische?
Kyle Knight wrote:
Another interesting point before i move on is Goku could handle SSJ3 better in his dead form so when he fought Fat Buu that was his best really with as litte strain as possible on his body.
He’s wasn’t “dead” He was holding back. He said that in THE SPIRIT WORLD - heaven and HFIL... All he said is it drains life force faster and depletes some more energy than in the underworld. When fighitng Kid Buu, he also learned that he’s couldn’t reach his peak.
Kyle Knight wrote:
(another thing Goten and Trunks train in the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber before faceing Super Buu, i remember Trunks saying “hehe we wernt even half this strong when we came in here” that would workout as SSJ Gotenks was about Majin Buu’s Power when he went into the Room and had now morethan doubled his power thus being on par with Super Buu).
I never said he wasn’t. And again SSJ Vegeto was PWNIGN Gohan Buu. Does that mean SSJ >>> SSJ3? No!
Kyle Knight wrote:
Next Gotenks in SSJ3 your right Fushion made them real strong even stronger than anticipated, now remember how easily Gotenks moved around in SSJ3 he practicaly had no difficulty or strain that was apparent with Goku (massive energy loss) he practicaly breezed the form and could fight Super Buu (keep in mind Evil Buu wooped Fat Buu and this was there combined might) the only problem was the fushion time about 30 minutes wasnt it rather like Goku.
You mean life, not ki itself. Evil Buu whupped MR. BUU (his other half)... Goku had NO TIME LIMIT. He got hit MANY times by Kid Buu, shot at with ki blasts, even exchanged kamehamehas and HE still didn’t power down to SSJ2. He only depowered when he tried to get to max power.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Next was eveident proof Gohan was stronger than Goku, the Z sword Goku and Gohan both struggle to lift the blade when they first attempt to, yet later in normal state Gohan can fling it around with ease meaning he was stronger all the way up in to SSJ2 but Goku still had the Advantage with SSJ3.
R u kidding me? GOKU NEVER TRIED TO PICK IT UP. After solid training Gohan STILL couldn’t weild it easier than his dad. Goku commented that it was pretty heavy but wasn’t about to drop it. He just said Gohan was getting better. He also said taht despite Gohan gaining strength, this was nowhere near enough to beat Buu. Once again, Goku didn’t WANNA STEP IN, HE WANTED GOHAN AND THE NEW GENERATIONT TO LEARN HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND PROTECT EARTH.
Kyle Knight wrote:
The tie breaker was Mystic this allowed Gohan to surpass his farther and in normal state no less, giveing Gohan the extra level he needed without energy loss or strain and unleashed his max potentiol something Goku himself admitts is beyond him (Goku says i wonder if this can be surpassed meaning Gohan had reached a new level of power never before wittnesed).
Goku never said that, EVER. He didn’t even comment when Gohan went Mystic. The guys on Earth didn’t say anything when they saw Gohan. What could they say. Gohan was a lot stronger but Goku still far outstripped him.
Kyle Knight wrote:
And as the anouncer says Gohan returns home with his powers haveing reached all new limits.
FOR GOHAN.
Kyle Knight wrote:
now here is a power toll:
Fat Buu
Gotenks
Gotenks SSJ (twice as powerful as Fat Buu)
Goku SSJ3 (plays with fat Buu, on par with Kid Buu for duration)
Kid Buu: (beats fat Buus ass in and Vegeta’s SSJ2 and Goku SSJ3...twice
Super buu (Fat and Evil Combined)
Gotenks SSJ3 (on par with Super Buu)
Mystic Gohan (flaws Super Buu no problem)
Vegeto >>>>>> Mystic Buu >>>>>>> Gotenks/Piccolo Buu >>>>SSJ3 Goku > Kid Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mystic Gohan >>>>>>>> Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks = Fat Buu >>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Vegeta >>> SSJ2 Gohan >> Evil Buu = Mr. Buu
Omg...still in denial...
Wanna know something?
The term called who’s daddy was coined...
When SSJ3 Goku pimp slapped Gohan so hard that he flew into orbit, circled the Sun, then came back to Earth!
Kyle Knight wrote:
Im not being a fanboy lol its just solid facts vs denial
Yes you are! I’m the one who tells fact after fact of hard evidence of Goku being able to pwn Gohan and you deny that that is true. You blow away all my reasons than post all your bullshit reasons... (while, I admire you giving your opinion and all yeah but all you have is speculation againt my cold, hard truth)
Kyle Knight wrote:
here take it like this...
Ok...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan becomes Mystic in the Manga Goku “whoa unreal, i wonder if even this power can be surpassed”
Never happened. If it did show me a scan. I also have a scan of EVERYONE being scared of SSJ3.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Anouncer: “and with his power raised to unheard of levels Gohan Returns to earth as its hero once again”
Once again unheard levels FOR Gohan. Goku WASN’T trying aginst Fat Buu at all meainign he was NOWHERE near full power but far stronger than his son still.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan arrives back on earth Piccolo “what is this power its mind boggleing, but what is it ive never experianced a power like this before its outrageously strong, boys stay close it could be a new enemy”.
No he didn’t. All he said was, “This power...It’s Goku!"
Goten: No, it’s my big bro!"
The fact that full power Gohan was mistaken for Goku (while not even trying) shows just how big the power gap is.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Gohan, Supream Kia, Kabeito, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks sence Goku go SSJ3 against Fat Buu, why would thy think Gohan was way stronger when he go’s Mystic?
Wtf r u trying to say here? They’ve SEEN Goku at “full” power - Goku was toying with Fat Buu but they don’t know that. Then they sense Gohan going Mystic (at full power ftw) and they mistake him for Goku...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku inside Super Buu’s head “wow feel that decrease, but even tho his powers droped alot we are still no match for him if we go out there he is going to kill us”
They were in SSJ. And you’re being retarded again. I just countered this exact statement before. Do you even read my posts? Vegeta was pissed at Goku for hiding SSJ3 from him and this would have created a huge rift between them. It got so bad that Vegeta nearly didn’t fuse with Goku to save his own life. Goku tried ki blasting Super Buu in SSJ and nothing much happened... He said they were gonna die (in SSJ1) and they were. Even them in SSJ2 would have gotten slaughtered since even AN ARMY of SSJ2’s couldn’t beat FAT BUU. Goku couldn’t fight at SSJ3 since Vegeta was with him at the time, they would have lost in SSJ2. And in case you’re wondering Goku SSJ2 >>> Vegeta SSJ2 >>>>>>>>Gohan SSJ2.
Kyle Knight wrote:
As for Kid Buu doing way more impressive things than Gohan...such as oh he destroyed a planet wow did you know Cell (half SSJ2 Gohans power) could wipe out a Solar System) sure Kid Buu is alot stronger than Cell but think about it why would Gohan blow up earth again?, and its called controlling your power.
Yeah, Goku and Kid Buu’s Super kamehamehas have enough power to destroy the universe or hella galaxies at least. Kid Buu can control himself...he didn’t try to blow up the Kai planet.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku to Vegeta “thats way to much energy to be for us, he must be trying to destroy the planet”, Buu could breath in space Goku cannot so thats why he douse not destroy worlds heck even Vegeta at Power level 18,000 is planet destroying so what did you prove here that good guys hold back evil Buu like shitheads dont lol.
Exactly. Goku does - nobody else does. All I gotta say. Oh wait Kid Buu was the only villain (other than Frieza who eventually cut loose too) to hold back for the whole time (Cell too for a short time) unlike anyody else, even all other incarnations of Buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
And Goku dident breeze Fat Buu he complements his fighting and says he is to much of a gifted fighter to be controlled by a coward like Bobadi,
Just because he’s competent doesn’t mean he’s that strong. Once again Goku was TOYING with him and Buu STILL barely landed anything on Goku...
Kyle Knight wrote:
Goku could beat Fat Buu but it would have been difficult he tells Piccolo that he may never of stood a chance who knows cus Majin Buu isnt an ordinary opponent, plus the fact Majin Buu wasnt even hurt and was haveing the time of his life fighting Goku and dident want him to leave (Majin Buu says “me like u, ur strong” Goku “thanx so are you”.
He was complimenting him since he kicked just about eveyne’s asss but him. He never said he wouldn’t stand a chance. Piccolo goes where you holdin back? Goku said yeah, how’d you guess? I was trying to help the new generation so they can take care of themselves. Piccolo goes you amaze me as always. The point? Goku was LETTING the kids do the work in this fight but guess what? HE had to fight and destroy Kid Buu - nobody else.
Kyle Knight wrote:
Here: Fat Buu hitting Goku lol/Remember Gohan can flawlessly beat the much stronger vertion Goku is affraid of.
Super Buu’s NOT stronger, just better at fighting. Goku was afraid of him in the FIRST level of SSJ... Hmm....
How about this. If Gohan and Gotenks really WERE sronger than him, he woulda saved THEM rather than Hercules. But he figured that only he could beat him and let the four die quickly instead of getting them slaugtered by Kid Buu.
Kyle Knight wrote:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zsVqa5oV9Jc
Non canon.
You ignore EVERYTHING I say. If Gohan or Gotenks coulda done it, Goku would have let
them fight Buu. But he goes, you’re gonna bring Gohan
AND Gotenks to
help fight Kid Buu. See? Them TOGETHER and still not fighitng Kid Buu but rather HELPING ALONG from the side. Goku alone was the only being in the universe who could go on par and toe to toe with that crazy ass djinn and live. Vegeta and Mr. Buu got PWNED. Goku’s a gangester unlike the rest.
You know what, this is my ace in the hole... There is evidence that throughout the Buu saga, Goku’s trys to draw out Gohan and Gotenk’s power. He encourages them to fight and lets them fight the biggest threat alive at that time. Fat Buu was too strong for either at that time so he pwned him. But he practically MADE Gotenks fight Super Buu and entrusted Gohan with everyone’s lives now that him and Vegeta were dead. That shows Gohan was capable of taking on Super Buu and the most powerful Z fighter (alive) He left his legacy and honor to Gohan. But Kid Buu scared him, he knew even Gohan wouldn’t stand a chance anyways so he LET HIM DIE AND SAVED THE WORTHLESS MR.SATAN AND A DOG over him, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo. He WANTS to draw out his son’s power sure, but he knows when he is in over his head. He let Gohan fight Cell since he was confident Gohan could win but he never thought Cell would transform into SPC. Same here, he didn’t know Super Buu had an even more powerful and even MORE dangerous form: Kid Buu. Then when he has no energy left, Vegeta’s drained, Mr. Buu’s at the brink of death - he suggests to get BOTH Gohan and Gotenks and for them to HELP us. If he fought Kid Buu on par ALONE, and Gohan was actually stronger - he wouldn’t risk his son’s life (especialy one who had died already before and was only 7 years old) to HELP his “stronger” big brother AND the rest. Why would he want to help his son, if he had almost no energy, his man Vegeta was almost dead and the noble Mr. buu was nearly screwed as well unless he knew even Gohan AND Gotenks fighting Kid Buu alongside with their almost completely wasted friends/family was a LOST cause. Goku alone could do MUCH more - not even at his max or peak so he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Gohan.
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So MB try this my man...
And Kyle you and Peta are just sore losers
And think: were Gohan actually stronger, all the Goku vs. Supes threads would have been GOHAN vs. Supes but since he’s not...
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