| 27 Nov 2007 04:00 pm |
Banned Rep: 51  Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | bugsbunny wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
Whats wrong with it.
everyone has their own beliefs and we’re all entitled to them. So I don’t the reason why ppl make such a big fuss over it. Its stupid and pointless.
if u can prove to me that god is real without reference to the bible then maybe i’ll beleive.
ok, how is that possible?
It’s not. Which is exactly the point.
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| 06 Dec 2007 06:00 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6 Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | so what wrong with beliving in God? ---
Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
| 06 Dec 2007 07:01 pm |
-:Angel of Independence:- Rep: 49 Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 9,874 OFFLINE | DARKSLAYER07 wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
i thought christians were supposed to others as they wish to be treated. i thought god tought all his children to love their enemies not cast them aside.
How in the hell..I supposed to love my enemies?..I hate them all....
that’s Jesus' biggest teaching everything good is founded on it
get my point?
I’m still a renegade back off or I’ll cut you
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| 06 Dec 2007 08:58 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 85 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,452 OFFLINE | zeta_evolved wrote:
DARKSLAYER07 wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
i thought christians were supposed to others as they wish to be treated. i thought god tought all his children to love their enemies not cast them aside.
How in the hell..I supposed to love my enemies?..I hate them all....
that’s Jesus' biggest teaching everything good is founded on it
get my point?
I’m still a renegade back off or I’ll cut you
John F. Kennedy wrote:
Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.
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| 06 Dec 2007 10:45 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10 Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,510 OFFLINE | Weasel 16 wrote:
so what wrong with beliving in God?
Just read my quote, and then think about it.
I’m determined to live forever, or die trying. - Yossarian
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| 07 Dec 2007 01:28 pm |
-:Angel of Independence:- Rep: 49Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 9,874 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
zeta_evolved wrote:
DARKSLAYER07 wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
i thought christians were supposed to others as they wish to be treated. i thought god tought all his children to love their enemies not cast them aside.
How in the hell..I supposed to love my enemies?..I hate them all....
that’s Jesus' biggest teaching everything good is founded on it
get my point?
I’m still a renegade back off or I’ll cut you
John F. Kennedy wrote:
Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.
don’t you wink at me!!!! 
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| 07 Dec 2007 08:48 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 6Joined: 01 Oct 2005 Posts: 3,602 OFFLINE | daledude wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
so what wrong with beliving in God?
Just read my quote, and then think about it.
where your quote, can you just quote your self...
Dogbert said the deepest thing ever.
“It is all a part of the big illusion we perpetuate upon ourselves and which is in turn perpetuated upon us. When we believe we engage the illusion, when we stop believing we shatter the illusion and ourselves in the process because we are part of it." | |
| 08 Dec 2007 09:04 pm |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 54 Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 40,095 OFFLINE | There is nothing wrong with believing or not believing in a god or other “superior” creature.
It’s just as you’ve seen over time, once an orginization gets powerful enough it has the ability to corrupt people under one belief/idea/cause and pit them against all opposers. A nationalistic sense of pride, but instead of a nation a religion.
Over time though this has definetly started to bellow down and most people are accepting of others belief’s while still being able to retain their own, but its still a natural human quality to deny other’s opinions. But over history its mainly been fueled by corruption. ---
 
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| 08 Dec 2007 09:29 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | zeta_evolved wrote:
DARKSLAYER07 wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
i thought christians were supposed to others as they wish to be treated. i thought god tought all his children to love their enemies not cast them aside.
How in the hell..I supposed to love my enemies?..I hate them all....
that’s Jesus' biggest teaching everything good is founded on it
get my point?
I’m still a renegade back off or I’ll cut you
If Jesus loves his enemies so much... then why does he send them to hell?
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| 08 Dec 2007 10:05 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,799 OFFLINE | Kyle_dude wrote:
i thought christians were supposed to others as they wish to be treated. i thought god tought all his children to love their enemies not cast them aside.
No, retard that goes for everyone! If you treat me like shit don’t expect me to treat you any better than you treat me. That is a lesson the bible teaches and for someone who doesn’t believe in God you sure sound like you have a strong desire for someone to force you into believing in Him... “The Golden Rule” is more like a moral guide for everyone to believe in believer or non-believer, it’s called morality look into it!
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| 08 Dec 2007 10:13 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,799 OFFLINE | daledude wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
so what wrong with beliving in God?
Just read my quote, and then think about it.
Are you really going to live by a quote from Carl Sagan... LMAO... that’s the most ridiculous thing ever! Why not live in fear of a fat man in a red suit watching your every move and then casting judgment on you at the end of the year, because you weren’t nice but in fact you were very naughty! Religion is for some, but not all. Why can’t you just leave it at that! Why do believers and nonbelievers always have to argue about stupid shit like this and why are unbelievers looking to other humans to “prove” the existence of God? I believe He exists whether you do or not has no bearing on any thing that I am going to do in my life. I could quote scripture all day and in the end the choice to believe is still going to be up to you and nobody else... accept it and move on!
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| 08 Dec 2007 10:19 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,799 OFFLINE | Zucas wrote:
There is nothing wrong with believing or not believing in a god or other “superior” creature.
It’s just as you’ve seen over time, once an orginization gets powerful enough it has the ability to corrupt people under one belief/idea/cause and pit them against all opposers. A nationalistic sense of pride, but instead of a nation a religion.
Over time though this has definetly started to bellow down and most people are accepting of others belief’s while still being able to retain their own, but its still a natural human quality to deny other’s opinions. But over history its mainly been fueled by corruption.
Read his last sentence and then look up the tyranny of the modern church... religious zealots caused the crusades a needless loss of human life, because someone else wanted to force another belief system out of an entire group of people.
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| 08 Dec 2007 10:21 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,799 OFFLINE | There have been more RC popes that have caused death and famine than have had a positive impact on their followers. ---
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| 08 Dec 2007 10:33 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,799 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
Whats wrong with it.
everyone has their own beliefs and we’re all entitled to them. So I don’t the reason why ppl make such a big fuss over it. Its stupid and pointless.
if u can prove to me that god is real without reference to the bible then maybe i’ll beleive.
ok, how is that possible?
It’s not. Which is exactly the point.
Do I have to believe in you for you to exist? No, you just do. And yes it is possible just look at the world around you. Has science yet, been able to prove that from a random explosion something perfectly round can be created? No, why not? because that just isn’t possible.
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| 08 Dec 2007 11:26 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Unit_DTH wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
Whats wrong with it.
everyone has their own beliefs and we’re all entitled to them. So I don’t the reason why ppl make such a big fuss over it. Its stupid and pointless.
if u can prove to me that god is real without reference to the bible then maybe i’ll beleive.
ok, how is that possible?
It’s not. Which is exactly the point.
Do I have to believe in you for you to exist? No, you just do. And yes it is possible just look at the world around you. Has science yet, been able to prove that from a random explosion something perfectly round can be created? No, why not? because that just isn’t possible.
Perfectly round? Are you talking about the Earth? Because the Earth isn’t perfectly round. Remember that the Earth didn’t come directly from the big bang, it took billions of years of matter after the big bang to form the Earth. Even so, it is very possible for a planet to be perfectly round but it would probably be mostly gas instead of solid.
Also, when did I ever say you have to believe in something in order for it to exist? One’s belief has nothing to do with what exists or affects it in any way, that’s why I get frustrated when I ask people for scientific evidence of their god and instead they give me all this theology crap.
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| 08 Dec 2007 11:27 pm |
or just Red Rep: 72 Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 16,991 OFFLINE | Yay Jesus. ---
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| 09 Dec 2007 10:34 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 12Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,799 OFFLINE | ramunematt wrote:
Unit_DTH wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
Whats wrong with it.
everyone has their own beliefs and we’re all entitled to them. So I don’t the reason why ppl make such a big fuss over it. Its stupid and pointless.
if u can prove to me that god is real without reference to the bible then maybe i’ll beleive.
ok, how is that possible?
It’s not. Which is exactly the point.
Do I have to believe in you for you to exist? No, you just do. And yes it is possible just look at the world around you. Has science yet, been able to prove that from a random explosion something perfectly round can be created? No, why not? because that just isn’t possible.
Perfectly round? Are you talking about the Earth? Because the Earth isn’t perfectly round. Remember that the Earth didn’t come directly from the big bang, it took billions of years of matter after the big bang to form the Earth. Even so, it is very possible for a planet to be perfectly round but it would probably be mostly gas instead of solid.
Also, when did I ever say you have to believe in something in order for it to exist? One’s belief has nothing to do with what exists or affects it in any way, that’s why I get frustrated when I ask people for scientific evidence of their god and instead they give me all this theology crap.
Do you expect them not to give you “theology crap”? Theology is the study and debate of religion and any time you even talk about religion, even if you are not religious, you will be talking theology. Even if the big bang were/is true why could it not have been used as a means to an end by God? If he is all powerful, could he not create everything however he wanted to?
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| 09 Dec 2007 06:48 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | Unit_DTH wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
Unit_DTH wrote:
ramunematt wrote:
bugsbunny wrote:
Kyle_dude wrote:
Whats wrong with it.
everyone has their own beliefs and we’re all entitled to them. So I don’t the reason why ppl make such a big fuss over it. Its stupid and pointless.
if u can prove to me that god is real without reference to the bible then maybe i’ll beleive.
ok, how is that possible?
It’s not. Which is exactly the point.
Do I have to believe in you for you to exist? No, you just do. And yes it is possible just look at the world around you. Has science yet, been able to prove that from a random explosion something perfectly round can be created? No, why not? because that just isn’t possible.
Perfectly round? Are you talking about the Earth? Because the Earth isn’t perfectly round. Remember that the Earth didn’t come directly from the big bang, it took billions of years of matter after the big bang to form the Earth. Even so, it is very possible for a planet to be perfectly round but it would probably be mostly gas instead of solid.
Also, when did I ever say you have to believe in something in order for it to exist? One’s belief has nothing to do with what exists or affects it in any way, that’s why I get frustrated when I ask people for scientific evidence of their god and instead they give me all this theology crap.
Do you expect them not to give you “theology crap”? Theology is the study and debate of religion and any time you even talk about religion, even if you are not religious, you will be talking theology. Even if the big bang were/is true why could it not have been used as a means to an end by God? If he is all powerful, could he not create everything however he wanted to?
What I just bolded is considered theology. Theology isn’t the study and debate of religion, it’s the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God’s attributes and relations to the universe. Basically, it’s interpreting a bunch of fictional stories about god without any evidence that would suggest any of it is true.
My point is that when I ask religious people a question like, “what created god?" and they give me a theological answer like “god created himself” or “god has always been” instead of giving me a scientific or even logical answer with evidence to back them up, I’m not going to take them seriously.
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| 09 Dec 2007 09:36 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 10Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 2,510 OFFLINE | Unit_DTH wrote:
daledude wrote:
Weasel 16 wrote:
so what wrong with beliving in God?
Just read my quote, and then think about it.
Are you really going to live by a quote from Carl Sagan... LMAO... that’s the most ridiculous thing ever! Why not live in fear of a fat man in a red suit watching your every move and then casting judgment on you at the end of the year, because you weren’t nice but in fact you were very naughty! Religion is for some, but not all. Why can’t you just leave it at that! Why do believers and nonbelievers always have to argue about stupid shit like this and why are unbelievers looking to other humans to “prove” the existence of God? I believe He exists whether you do or not has no bearing on any thing that I am going to do in my life. I could quote scripture all day and in the end the choice to believe is still going to be up to you and nobody else... accept it and move on!
Because I believe that the world would be a better place without religion. No more killing each other over which god is the best.
And Carl Sagan makes about a million times more sense than your pathetic analogy.
I’m determined to live forever, or die trying. - Yossarian
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| 09 Dec 2007 09:40 pm |
Banned Rep: 51Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,808 OFFLINE | You should be glad that 21 isn’t here anymore. Last time Zucas and I said we think the world would be a better place without religion he intolerantly tried to get everyone against us by claiming we wanted to kill every theist in th world.
If he were still here he’d do the same to you haha. ---
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