| 24 Nov 2007 02:57 am |
bahaha--its me Guest | amazing. food for thought. if u havent seen it yet, watch it now. its on rammunematt’s sig if u want easy access to it, btw thnx ram.
but i dont agree with the religion part. i mean there are some parts i agree with, like people use religion to control people. but christianity, true christianity, not its butchered form, is beautiful.
they said a lot of things about christianity that isnt easy to believe and i wished they had a historian or a bible scholar to comment. but it was just the narrator all the way. they didnt even provide evidence. look at how much evidence they provided on 9/11 and all the other parts.
if u agree with them on that part, heres something to think about: jesus wasnt born on december 25. bible doesnt mention the date but it does mention that on the day jesus was born there were shepherds sheperding out on the field. if it was december they wouldnt be doing that because its freezing cold.
other than that its a very good movie. thought provoking.
if uve watched it already read this:
“19(A)We know that ( we are of God, and that (C)the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
— 1 John 5:19 (New American Standard Bible)
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| 24 Nov 2007 03:00 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3  Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 1,234 OFFLINE | "because its freezing cold.."
what if they were ice sheeps?
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| 24 Nov 2007 03:09 am |
bahaha--its me Guest | ice sheeps? well if the shepherds werent “ice” shepherds it wouldnt matter. cuz shepherds dont go out on december nights.
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| 24 Nov 2007 03:18 am |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 3Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 1,234 OFFLINE | global warming melted the ice sheeps and the ice shepeards and they claim that global warming doesn’t exist
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| 25 Nov 2007 02:22 am |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47 Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,689 ONLINE | definetly very thought provoking
It’s always good to hear both sides of every story haha.
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| 25 Nov 2007 09:48 am |
I created "The Pain Series". Now u die Rep: 15 Joined: 26 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,720 OFFLINE | a lot abt Hinduism is untrue ... the movie is “ok” .. i aint finished it though .. i just saw the first hour ..
and then life got busy .. SUPER BUSY !
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| 25 Nov 2007 11:53 am |
hahahahaha Rep: 26 Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 14,936 OFFLINE | heh, well, with that last point, eh, we really don’t know anything about when jesus was born. we just slap a date on it really. in fact, as you sorta pointed out, its probably not the right one. but thats not really whats important about it. its more of the symbolism, of recognizing his birth.
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| 26 Nov 2007 09:49 pm |
bahaha--its me Guest | kev360 wrote:
heh, well, with that last point, eh, we really don’t know anything about when jesus was born. we just slap a date on it really. in fact, as you sorta pointed out, its probably not the right one. but thats not really whats important about it. its more of the symbolism, of recognizing his birth.
the reason why i mentioned december 25th is cuz the movie says, if u havent watched it yet, that jesus is basicly just astrological, and on(or near as i recall) december 25 a bunch of stars line up known as 3 kings and another star, forgot. and if jesus wasnt born near dec 25 these astrological myths will be meaningless..
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| 26 Nov 2007 10:36 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,624 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
heh, well, with that last point, eh, we really don’t know anything about when jesus was born. we just slap a date on it really. in fact, as you sorta pointed out, its probably not the right one. but thats not really whats important about it. its more of the symbolism, of recognizing his birth.
bahahaits me wrote:
the reason why i mentioned december 25th is cuz the movie says, if u havent watched it yet, that jesus is basicly just astrological, and on(or near as i recall) december 25 a bunch of stars line up known as 3 kings and another star, forgot. and if jesus wasnt born near dec 25 these astrological myths will be meaningless..
He wasn’t born on the 25th, that date was appointed for the celebration by the roman catholic church when they were setting up a church year calendar for all the celebrations of the saints throughout the year.
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| 26 Nov 2007 10:40 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 7Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 1,624 OFFLINE | I think that it was the council of arimathea* not sure I spelled that correctly.
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| 27 Nov 2007 04:59 pm |
Loli Master (Kinky Bear) Rep: 27 Joined: 25 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,414 OFFLINE | There’s no mention of the date of Jesus’s birth. Saying that he was born on Christmas day is most likely wrong anyway.
In fact, Jesus’s birth used to be celebrated on January 6th.
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| 27 Nov 2007 11:21 pm |
bahaha--its me Guest | jesus wasnt born on dec. 25th, ok i think we pretty much got that settled.
this topic isnt about his birthday its about zeitgeist the movie.
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| 27 Nov 2007 11:59 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46 Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | It’s very unlikely that Jesus was born on Dec. 25. The Bible mentions that during the birth the sheep (or some other type of cattle) were being tended to in the fields. I highly doubt that sheep would be tended to in the fields in the middle of a cold Judea winter.
A better explanation was that the birth sequence was completely astrological. If you look at Part 1 of 3 of the Zeitgeist movie in my sig you will see.
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fuck that load of bullshit. i dont care if the enemy dies. not fighting back is stupid
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| 28 Nov 2007 08:15 pm |
bahaha--its me Guest | ramunematt wrote:
It’s very unlikely that Jesus was born on Dec. 25. The Bible mentions that during the birth the sheep (or some other type of cattle) were being tended to in the fields. I highly doubt that sheep would be tended to in the fields in the middle of a cold Judea winter.
A better explanation was that the birth sequence was completely astrological. If you look at Part 1 of 3 of the Zeitgeist movie in my sig you will see.
the movie mentioned that on or near december 25, 4 stars align. 3 of them the narrator refered to as “the three kings”, i forgot what the other one was something about bread.
if jesus wasnt born on dec 25 or on december, then this astrological phenomena is meaningless, totally unrelated to jesus.
also “three kings” didnt visit jesus when he was born. three wise men did.
the movie also takes note of the similarities between jesus’s cross, the southern cross, and the solar circle. implying that they are related.
but did u know that we are not sure whether or not jesus died on the cross?
the greek word describing what jesus died on is stauros which, in literal translation is “stake”. now some people argue that the word here can also be used to describe a cross, and, strangely enough, the greek word cross can also be used to describe a stake.
so what did jesus die on, exactly? we dont know.
the point im trying to get across is, the southern cross, solar circle, and what jesus died on, are completely unrelated.(though, its likely that the modern day cross had some pagan influences).
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| 28 Nov 2007 11:46 pm |
Dr. Matt Rep: 46Joined: 07 Jul 2006 Posts: 14,449 OFFLINE | Unrelated? How is it unrelated? It makes perfect sense when you compare the story and the astrological metaphors. It’s not like there is actually any physical or historical evidence that would lead you to assume that it literally happened.
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| 01 Dec 2007 03:31 am |
bahaha--its me Guest | ramunematt wrote:
Unrelated? How is it unrelated? It makes perfect sense when you compare the story and the astrological metaphors. It’s not like there is actually any physical or historical evidence that would lead you to assume that it literally happened.
i can find a youtube video of that part of the movie and show u all the flaws but im not feeling it.
if u really wanna know, get a bible, turn to the gospels, read. after reading every verse ask urself “how is this related to astrology?".
but thats if ur willing to check for urself.
also, i dont see how u can believe the movie immediately after watching it. they had no astrologers or even astronomers to comment on anything. actually they didnt have anyone comment. only the narrator.
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| 02 Dec 2007 02:05 am |
Agent of Chaos Rep: 47Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 38,689 ONLINE | It really doesn’t matter when Jesus was born in the video. They are denying the existence of Jesus in the first place. Why are we putting a concrete discussion on a birthdate if he was never born in the firstplace. The video is either suggesting that early sun god worshipers used the date for “Jesus”, a mythical creature, or that later on the Church or political elite of the time took a man named Jesus and the old school sun worshipers and combined them.
Either way there is no suggestion that a man named Jesus Christ was ever born. They are stating the myth is purely astrological and that the man never existed. I don’t see what yall are arguing about in that case. Your trying to cross what the religion says and what the video says which is obviously going to show descrepencies as they believe entirely different thing. The video goes under their presumption Jesus never existed. Thus what his birthdate really was doesn’t matter haha. Right he never was born.
While the religion states Dec 25th while he probably wasn’t born on that day. They are only tied in as the video is stating that the Dec. 25th thing was either added later or taken from prexisting sun worshipers.
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| 03 Dec 2007 11:23 pm |
bahaha--its me Guest | it does matter because jesus story is written in the bible and they should base their accusations on biblical teachings. the bible never mentions jesus' birthdate, the movie does. so really, everything the movie mentioned regarding jesus' birthday is completely irrelevant.
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| 22 Dec 2007 05:17 am |
Wannabe Rep: 0 Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 11 OFFLINE | If you really think about it, it comes down to who Jesus really was. Three possibilities. Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?
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| 22 Dec 2007 05:18 am |
Wannabe Rep: 0Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 11 OFFLINE | If you really think about it, it comes down to who Jesus really was. Three possibilities. Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?
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