| 25 Nov 2007 08:25 pm |
when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33  Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right. ---
 | | | | 25 Nov 2007 08:56 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83 Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right.
I disagree with just about everything you said.
First of all, it’s not unhealthy to form relationships online. Neither romantically or just ordinary friends. Some people just need to be comforted, and they don’t have people in rl to do that. Perfect example in the lonely thread in on topic.
Second, yes, some blame falls on the girl. But 95% of it falls on that mother who was cruel enough to pretend to be a person who the girl could trust.
Third, indirect or direct cause, it’s the same thing. The mother was involved in the child’s death and she is the primary cause of it. She deserves to have some form of punishment administered.
 | | | 25 Nov 2007 09:00 pm |
when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right.
I disagree with just about everything you said.
First of all, it’s not unhealthy to form relationships online. Neither romantically or just ordinary friends. Some people just need to be comforted, and they don’t have people in rl to do that. Perfect example in the lonely thread in on topic.
Second, yes, some blame falls on the girl. But 95% of it falls on that mother who was cruel enough to pretend to be a person who the girl could trust.
Third, indirect or direct cause, it’s the same thing. The mother was involved in the child’s death and she is the primary cause of it. She deserves to have some form of punishment administered.
yes they are. i know first hand how easy it is to be fake online. remember savage? yeah. you don’t really know people online. i respect your choice in this (it is your right, after all), but know, i will NEVER agree with it.
how do you figure? i’ve been told by people that they wish my house would fall on me. i’ve been cussed out countless times. i’m not going to go fucking kill myself. i have been mocked for years by certain people, but i’m still a happy person, most of the time. it sucks, its pretty harsh, but when it came down to it, it was just her. it was her choice, and she chose to hurt her family and everyone around her and run away from her problems.
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:10 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 52 Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,350 | kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right.
I disagree with just about everything you said.
First of all, it’s not unhealthy to form relationships online. Neither romantically or just ordinary friends. Some people just need to be comforted, and they don’t have people in rl to do that. Perfect example in the lonely thread in on topic.
Second, yes, some blame falls on the girl. But 95% of it falls on that mother who was cruel enough to pretend to be a person who the girl could trust.
Third, indirect or direct cause, it’s the same thing. The mother was involved in the child’s death and she is the primary cause of it. She deserves to have some form of punishment administered.
yes they are. i know first hand how easy it is to be fake online. remember savage? yeah. you don’t really know people online. i respect your choice in this (it is your right, after all), but know, i will NEVER agree with it.
how do you figure? i’ve been told by people that they wish my house would fall on me. i’ve been cussed out countless times. i’m not going to go fucking kill myself. i have been mocked for years by certain people, but i’m still a happy person, most of the time. it sucks, its pretty harsh, but when it came down to it, it was just her. it was her choice, and she chose to hurt her family and everyone around her and run away from her problems.
That’s great for you if no amount of taunting or cruelty would make you consider taking your life. But you can’t assume everyone experiences these things the same way, or that everyone HAS to experience these things the same.
The girl in question was also struggling with ADD and depression. The world looks much different from that kind of standpoint.
Not only that, but she was already also struggling with self-esteem and body image issues.
 Last edited 25 Nov 2007 09:12 pm by Etain | | | 25 Nov 2007 09:15 pm |
when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Cid wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right.
I disagree with just about everything you said.
First of all, it’s not unhealthy to form relationships online. Neither romantically or just ordinary friends. Some people just need to be comforted, and they don’t have people in rl to do that. Perfect example in the lonely thread in on topic.
Second, yes, some blame falls on the girl. But 95% of it falls on that mother who was cruel enough to pretend to be a person who the girl could trust.
Third, indirect or direct cause, it’s the same thing. The mother was involved in the child’s death and she is the primary cause of it. She deserves to have some form of punishment administered.
yes they are. i know first hand how easy it is to be fake online. remember savage? yeah. you don’t really know people online. i respect your choice in this (it is your right, after all), but know, i will NEVER agree with it.
how do you figure? i’ve been told by people that they wish my house would fall on me. i’ve been cussed out countless times. i’m not going to go fucking kill myself. i have been mocked for years by certain people, but i’m still a happy person, most of the time. it sucks, its pretty harsh, but when it came down to it, it was just her. it was her choice, and she chose to hurt her family and everyone around her and run away from her problems.
That’s great for you if no amount of taunting or cruelty would make you consider taking your life. But you can’t assume everyone experiences these things the same way, or that everyone HAS to experience these things the same.
The girl in question was also struggling with ADD and depression. The world looks much different from that kind of standpoint.
Not only that, but she was already also struggling with self-esteem and body image issues.
ok, and thats why i say the parents who did that are dirt. but, you cannot expect everyone to be nice and kind to you. people are assholes. thats a simple fact of life. you have to learn to take insults. roll with the punches. it hurts like a bitch, but its no reason to take your own life. “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:15 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48 Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,599 ONLINE | ADD is by far the most bullshit diagnosis I have ever heard of.
I was diagnosed with it when I was younger. They told me I had a hard time paying attention and keeping still. “What?" I said, “that’s not ADD, I just don’t care”.
After I realized that doctors and such were trying to diagnose me with some bullshit disorder, I got my act together just to spite them.
ADD isn’t anything someone can’t help. ---
 | | | 25 Nov 2007 09:17 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,599 ONLINE | kev360 wrote:
“sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.“
“Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit. "
-Oscar Wilde
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:19 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 52Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,350 | kev360 wrote:
ok, and thats why i say the parents who did that are dirt. but, you cannot expect everyone to be nice and kind to you. people are assholes. thats a simple fact of life. you have to learn to take insults. roll with the punches. it hurts like a bitch, but its no reason to take your own life. “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.“
Not always easy to “roll with the punches”. It depends upon the severity of the bullying. If the bullying/harrassment includes things like threats to the person’s life, physical injury, extreme emotional/mental/verbal abuse...it’s not something you can just “roll with”.
Last edited 25 Nov 2007 09:20 pm by Etain | | | 25 Nov 2007 09:20 pm |
when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | Atresac wrote:
kev360 wrote:
“sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.“
“Quotation is a serviceable substitute for wit. "
-Oscar Wilde
exactly why i used one. haha.
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:21 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 52Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,350 | Atresac wrote:
ADD is by far the most bullshit diagnosis I have ever heard of.
I was diagnosed with it when I was younger. They told me I had a hard time paying attention and keeping still. “What?" I said, “that’s not ADD, I just don’t care”.
After I realized that doctors and such were trying to diagnose me with some bullshit disorder, I got my act together just to spite them.
ADD isn’t anything someone can’t help.
I actually agree with that. It gets overdiagnosed just because it’s easier to make a kid with a normal attention span (or lack of) sit still with a dose of Ritalin.
And it’s a disservice to the minority of people who actually have this disorder.
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:23 pm |
you are smart Rep: 48Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 16,599 ONLINE | Etain wrote:
Atresac wrote:
ADD is by far the most bullshit diagnosis I have ever heard of.
I was diagnosed with it when I was younger. They told me I had a hard time paying attention and keeping still. “What?" I said, “that’s not ADD, I just don’t care”.
After I realized that doctors and such were trying to diagnose me with some bullshit disorder, I got my act together just to spite them.
ADD isn’t anything someone can’t help.
I actually agree with that. It gets overdiagnosed just because it’s easier to make a kid with a normal attention span (or lack of) sit still with a dose of Ritalin.
And it’s a disservice to the minority of people who actually have this disorder.
Seriously. Have you seen some of these kids on Ritalin? Boring as all fuck, completely robbed of personality, wit, and excitement. Just an empty drone.
I believe I read somewhere that Ritalin is more potent than cocaine.
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:23 pm |
when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, and thats why i say the parents who did that are dirt. but, you cannot expect everyone to be nice and kind to you. people are assholes. thats a simple fact of life. you have to learn to take insults. roll with the punches. it hurts like a bitch, but its no reason to take your own life. “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.“
Not always easy to “roll with the punches”. It depends upon the severity of the bullying. If the bullying/harrassment includes things like threats to the person’s life, physical injury, extreme emotional/mental/verbal abuse...it’s not something you can just “roll with”.
ok, so you are saying that even though it specifically says in the constitution that he (i’m just going to refer to the parent as 'him' for now...) can say what he wants, because he said something mean (very mean, granted. extremely crule and screwed up) that he should be punishable by law? what exactly makes her more important then other people? what, do we have this right, unless we actually use it?
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:27 pm |
I have earned my disillusionment. Rep: 52Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 7,350 | kev360 wrote:
Etain wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, and thats why i say the parents who did that are dirt. but, you cannot expect everyone to be nice and kind to you. people are assholes. thats a simple fact of life. you have to learn to take insults. roll with the punches. it hurts like a bitch, but its no reason to take your own life. “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.“
Not always easy to “roll with the punches”. It depends upon the severity of the bullying. If the bullying/harrassment includes things like threats to the person’s life, physical injury, extreme emotional/mental/verbal abuse...it’s not something you can just “roll with”.
ok, so you are saying that even though it specifically says in the constitution that he (i’m just going to refer to the parent as 'him' for now...) can say what he wants, because he said something mean (very mean, granted. extremely crule and screwed up) that he should be punishable by law? what exactly makes her more important then other people? what, do we have this right, unless we actually use it?
I don’t understand how that has anything to do with what I said? You were arguing that these things shouldn’t bother people. Suddenly we jump from that into the constitution?
| | | 25 Nov 2007 09:30 pm |
when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | Etain wrote:
kev360 wrote:
Etain wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, and thats why i say the parents who did that are dirt. but, you cannot expect everyone to be nice and kind to you. people are assholes. thats a simple fact of life. you have to learn to take insults. roll with the punches. it hurts like a bitch, but its no reason to take your own life. “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.“
Not always easy to “roll with the punches”. It depends upon the severity of the bullying. If the bullying/harrassment includes things like threats to the person’s life, physical injury, extreme emotional/mental/verbal abuse...it’s not something you can just “roll with”.
ok, so you are saying that even though it specifically says in the constitution that he (i’m just going to refer to the parent as 'him' for now...) can say what he wants, because he said something mean (very mean, granted. extremely crule and screwed up) that he should be punishable by law? what exactly makes her more important then other people? what, do we have this right, unless we actually use it?
I don’t understand how that has anything to do with what I said? You were arguing that these things shouldn’t bother people. Suddenly we jump from that into the constitution?
i’m saying that he shouldn’t be punished by law. sorry, i guess i’m kinda combining my points here.
life isn’t easy. everyone should know that. but, the fact that she would establish an emotional bond to someone that SHE DOESN’T KNOW, that, that i can’t rationalize. its ASKING for something like this to happen.
| | | 25 Nov 2007 10:39 pm |
The Magnificent Bastard Rep: 68 Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 19,531 | kev360 wrote:
ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right.
Having been in her situation before, I must say that even though its easy to say that you should distance yourself form stuff like that and be cautious, when you are living that life, experiencing that sort of sorrow and bullying, you are much akin to a rat on a sinking ship, you cling to whatever glimmer of hope you find.
She placed that much trust and hope in 'josh' because she had nothing else to cling to. She needed a friend desperately and while its all well and good for those of you out there that have always had friends, for those of us who have had periods of isolation, neglect and face the emptiness alone, it can be quite overwhelming.
I understand where you are coming from, but when you have no one, online relationships are better than having nothing at all and can be just as vital for learning social function in these cases.
 
  | | | 25 Nov 2007 10:40 pm |
The Magnificent Bastard Rep: 68Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 19,531 | Cid wrote:
firewolf81 wrote:
Its easy to see what has happened here.
After reading the article, we have a insecure young girl, desperate for companionship and acceptance.
She was insecure because of her ADD and her weight problems which in the past would have seen her ridiculed and outcast from a majority of the social circles, further creating her dependence on friends.
So when she and her female friend had a falling out which ended her friendship, she would be isolated, sad and fell alone. This is why she took a shining to 'Josh'.
Josh was the encompassing being that held her dreams and aspirations alive and made her feel like she had someone to talk to, to share things with. Josh was her hope and for much part, her sanity.
he would have been one of the few people of her age in her school area that was not out to judge her, a fresh start if you will and she fell for him hard.
So after a appropriate period of time, after she had began to place all her hopes in josh, 'he' broke her, leaving her desperately alone, depressed, isolated and essentially gutted.
The one person whom she felt close to turned on her and then she had no one.
She did not place faith in her parents as they sought to caution her with her online infatuation with Josh which made them in her eyes, strangers because they did not understand her feelings and therefore, she isolated herself form her parents and more than likely felt oppressed by her own mother, especially when her mother chastised her about the use of her foul language in retort to Josh.
The use of Foul language when normally she would not use such a tone implies the high emotional state of the child and the mothers lack of understanding and compassion combined with the harassment form her last friend would have left her feeling like the last person on earth of whom nobody gave a damn about.
It was at this time, at the hight of her emotional depression the message that the world would be better of without her hits home with all to much truth, albeit, only in her eyes. So, upset and alone, she goes up to her last place of sanctuary and tries to rid the world of her existence because the world would truly be better of without her.
Dead inside, the chocking of breath of her lungs is a release of all the negativity and sorrow. Chances are she would have not struggled as she closes her eyes and waits for the pain to end, safe in knowing that she will be better of away from a world that does not love her and only seeks to make her unhappy. A final tear would be shed, not for the pain, but for the mixture of sorry and happiness that she, like many others in this situation, has found her escape, her final absolution.
Thanks for making me feel like shit...
Eh, how so.
Did you kill her.
I think not, perhaps you feel a slight empathy for this girl knowing what she went through before her final moments.
| | | 25 Nov 2007 11:43 pm |
UBER 1337 Poster Rep: 31 Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,355 OFFLINE | kev360 wrote:
i’m saying that he shouldn’t be punished by law. sorry, i guess i’m kinda combining my points here.
life isn’t easy. everyone should know that. but, the fact that she would establish an emotional bond to someone that SHE DOESN’T KNOW, that, that i can’t rationalize. its ASKING for something like this to happen.
Excuse me? Like if a woman dresses provocatively she is asking to get rapped? It’s easy to blame a victim; don’t stoop to that level.
You don’t have to rationalize it, just understand that everyone is not like you. That’s all. Your life, what you believe, your education, how your brain works and how you were taught and choose to understand the world is different then anyone else(though it can be quite similar to others). You can’t take your mold of the world and expect others to fit into it they way you want.
On ADD and ADH  ridiculously over-diagnosed. That being said, my best friend growing up was ADHD and even for the time she did take Ritalin it didn’t do too much.What she was like though was very different then a simple “can’t pay attention in class”. Kids with ADHD are effected in lots of ways.
 | | | 25 Nov 2007 11:48 pm |
Guardian of MvC Rep: 83Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 44,426 OFFLINE | firewolf81 wrote:
Eh, how so.
Did you kill her.
I think not, perhaps you feel a slight empathy for this girl knowing what she went through before her final moments.
I understand completely what she’s going through. When I was younger, around her age I went through the same shit. And in some cases, mostly online... I still do. So I feel really bad that this happened to her when all she wanted a was a friend.
Last edited 25 Nov 2007 11:50 pm by Cid | | | 25 Nov 2007 11:50 pm |
The Magnificent Bastard Rep: 68Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 19,531 | treeplanter wrote:
kev360 wrote:
i’m saying that he shouldn’t be punished by law. sorry, i guess i’m kinda combining my points here.
life isn’t easy. everyone should know that. but, the fact that she would establish an emotional bond to someone that SHE DOESN’T KNOW, that, that i can’t rationalize. its ASKING for something like this to happen.
Excuse me? Like if a woman dresses provocatively she is asking to get rapped? It’s easy to blame a victim; don’t stoop to that level.
You don’t have to rationalize it, just understand that everyone is not like you. That’s all. Your life, what you believe, your education, how your brain works and how you were taught and choose to understand the world is different then anyone else(though it can be quite similar to others). You can’t take your mold of the world and expect others to fit into it they way you want.
On ADD and ADH ridiculously over-diagnosed. That being said, my best friend growing up was ADHD and even for the time she did take Ritalin it didn’t do too much.What she was like though was very different then a simple “can’t pay attention in class”. Kids with ADHD are effected in lots of ways.
On the whole ADHD thing, I agree with Treeplanter, having suffered through it my entire life. Its easy for people to say Oh ADHD, thats a myth, its over diagnosed, its this and that and the other.
Some of it may be true, there is a increase of misdiagnosis with ADD but for those who treuly have it, it can be very difficult for them as youths. They tend to be isolated by the teachers and by the students because they are deemed too hard to deal with. I myself spent much of my younger schooling years locked in a corridor away from the other students and teacher so I was not a distraction. The room was bare, devoid of anything stimulating, be it color or sound wise and it was here I worked on my class work.
I wish people wouldn’t be so quick to assume that ADD and ADHD isn’t real. It is and for the children and adults who have it, it is a debilitating illness.
Don’t give people who have it a hard time, trust me...they already have a hard enough time as it is.
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when you see it, you'll shit bricks Rep: 33Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 15,392 OFFLINE | firewolf81 wrote:
kev360 wrote:
ok, this is going to be very harsh. if you get easily emotion by things over the internet, i recommend you not read this...
first off, the parents who did that are dirt. lets get that out of the way. they are pathedic human beings, if you can even call them that. there is no excuse for doing something like that. its just sick and twisted. these are the worst kind of people: those who prey on the innocent and weak.
BUT, i don’t think that it is their fault, or that they should be charged with anything. this goes out to a lot of people here, and i think it should be said to some of my rl friends. it is her fault, and her fault alone. no one should put that much emotion into an online relationship. it is unhealthy, unwise, and makes you more unstable then anything else. you don’t know who you are talking to online. you could know them for 6 weeks, like she did, or years, like some people here have. you can’t let emotion get in the way of your logic with things like this.
if she was this reliant this easily, she was going to be hurt sooner or later. it could have been anyone. you CAN’T do things like that. you can’t invest emotions into people you have never met. this is what happens. and, it is entirely her fault for letting it happen. if she can’t talk online without becoming attached to people she meets, then SHE IS NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO BE ONLINE. her parents should have taken myspace away as soon as she started obsessing over him.
and, why they shouldn’t be charged? why there should not be a law against encouraging suicide? well, that goes back to what i love about the USA. i can tell the president of the united states to shut the fuck up, and no one can do shit to me. freedom of speech, bitch. as horrible as it can be, we have the RIGHT to say what we want. no one should be punished by the law for exercising this right.
Having been in her situation before, I must say that even though its easy to say that you should distance yourself form stuff like that and be cautious, when you are living that life, experiencing that sort of sorrow and bullying, you are much akin to a rat on a sinking ship, you cling to whatever glimmer of hope you find.
She placed that much trust and hope in 'josh' because she had nothing else to cling to. She needed a friend desperately and while its all well and good for those of you out there that have always had friends, for those of us who have had periods of isolation, neglect and face the emptiness alone, it can be quite overwhelming.
I understand where you are coming from, but when you have no one, online relationships are better than having nothing at all and can be just as vital for learning social function in these cases.
yeah, it sucks for her. no one is denying that. that doesn’t make her somehow free of blame. how do you think her parents feel right now? her dad, who in her last moments was just trying to comfort her? he will know for the rest of his life that she died because HE WASN’T GOOD ENOUGH. suicide is unforgivable, no matter the circumstances. yeah, life can suck. hard. but thats no excuse. you gotta see this! suicide is never a viable option! you can’t just take your life because things are getting tough. thats part of life. when it came down to it, this could just as easily have happened with any person online. remember that whole derek vs skittles thing? there are a lot of people who don’t take the internet very seriously, myself included. when i heard that i had actually made someone cry online, i was shocked. say whatever you want about an online relationship, but it doesn’t change the fact that in the end it is hollow.
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