americans vs brits

Black Hydra XxX

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Ha ha, well, yeah your right.

Clare

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Black Hydra:

Ok fine that was ignorant of me but we’ve been on this same topic for too long now we should debate something else. Though don’t think this as me giving up I just think that we keep coming back to the same (UN-anwsered) questions.

HESH:

Yeah your probably right about the miracle thing but you never know what if God is the only anwser to that question.
The priest who molested kids didn’t molest them because he was a Christian he did that because he’s a sick pervert. I’ve agreed with most of the other posts you’ve made (much to my annoyance) but I completely disagree that all Christions are stupid for having faith in something. You can’t go around judging people based on their religion, just like you can’t judge people on their skin colour or sexuality.

I think we should debate on political issues, or environmental issues, or things like “The death sentence”, “Abortion”, “Iraq war”, etc. We can always come back to religion if you still want to fight about it.

weird guy

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what the hell I love england? I have an I.Q of 154 on a sixteen year-old test, and I’m 11 years old! and our tests are not stupid.

weird guy

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here’s something: why do you think blacks killed whites and whites killed blacks? because someone told the public that blacks were murderers ( ever seen bad boys? isn’t it suspicious that most of those suspects are black?). Someone told the catholics that the illuminati should be burned to hell. someone told the mormons that blacks go to hell no matter what. Those people that are someone are the leaders. they trick you into believing something else so you support them or are not paying attention to something else they’re doing (example: a dirt-poor white man says, “at least i’m not black. Doesn’t matter if you’re black, 'cause you’re still dirt-poor you dumbass). Racisism was used by the government so that they’d get more money. but it backfired. The next thing they used - and you’ve probably seen the damn thing - is propoganda. they use T.V to inform you on lies, or at least only half-truths. ever seen farenheit 911? if you have, you know Michael Moore showed us what fox news didn’t. In short, we should refuse to give in to government lies and we should fight back.

HESH

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Clare:
The molesting priest thing didn’t mean that christians are stupid because of their beleifs or faith, i just think that the christians in my area are stupid for buying a bunch of crap just because a priest said it. I’ll give another example, say something is proven 100% effective against preventing cancer, but then the pope said that it didnt' work, and people bought it, then wouldn’t you agree that those people are stupid?

And as for the new issue things, im game for any of those, just choose one and tell me what your stance on it is, and lets FIRE IT UP.

weird guy, im kinda inclined to agree about the government stuff, seems to me the only real way to make a difference in the government right now is a violent overthrow, or dare i say, a revolution? Oh well, probly wont happen.

Clare

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HESH:

There are stupid people in every society, sad but true, but yeah I understand what you mean.

Anyway onto the new topics of dicussion-
I’m against the death sentence, I’m pro abortion and I think that the war in Iraq was to satisfy the Governemnts greed for more money and power. Argue back to whichever point.

About the revolution thing, I think that it’s a good idea on the outside but if you truly think about it, is another war and more innocent people’s lives destroyed what the world needs?

HESH

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Alrighty clare, i agree with you on everything but the death penalty thing, so lets start with that. I think that the death penalty is a good idea, if people feel that they have the right to kill others, then they should be put to death themselves. Under some circumstances i can see why the death penalty would be put under question (i.e. lack of evidence, introduction of DNA evidence, and so forth)but i hardly think that it is a bad thing to put someone who shot up their neighbors because he was mentally unstable on death row. Plus most people on death row are there because they committed worse than first degree murder or manslaughter. This means that they killed one or more people in cold blood, and in a sick or unusual fashion.

But thats just me. I gotta work on some stuff right now, be back later.
Toodles

by some college student

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Hey listen guys I couldn’t help but noticing you guys were debating the death penalty. I’m reaserching a paper on that subject and was hoping you guys would help me out. I need to interview as many people as I can. So if Claire of Hesh or anyone else could answer the following questions I’ll be enternally grateful (unless I forget). Make sure you put your name, occupation and gender. Ok, here goes:

1.)What are your feelings about juveniles being senteced for heinous crimes?

2.)Is there an appropriate age limit for a Junenile to be eligable fo capital punishment? Explain.

3.) What criterion should be met for a juvenile to be eligable for the death penalty.

4.)Do you think parents should be held accountable for minors crimes? If so under what circumstances? Explain.

5.) Maryland is the first state to make juveniles eligable for the death penalty. What do you think the effects will be if the rest of the country follows suit?

Please answer these by this Thursday. Thanks.

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So let me get this straight Clare,You think it’s alright to kill babies,But you have a problem with killing adults? And you claim to have a high I.Q.? Where do you keep it,in a little jar by the side of your bed?Ever thought of actually using it?

weird guy

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1. Seanking and Brian, will you quit using the goddamn n word? do you know how fucking long it took the blacks to get the whites to stop calling us that? And why do you keep molesting people? and even if you do own the site, it’s not smart to molest the people who visit because it gives your site a bad reputation and you won’t have anymore people to molest (better yet, don’t molest at all).

2.I think that maybe religion has some truth. like for example, most of the proberbs have gotten carried on into our current life. most of the teachings have been carried on. To me, the point of the bible was the teachings. But, the stuff against the romans was totally crap. You shouldn’t be against someone just because a pamphlet tells you to!

3. What I really think is that maybe religion and science are related, because i’ve recently finished Angels and Demons. That’s a good book. It just seems realistic even though it’s fiction.

4.and as for miles saying fuck america, I ask him why? Are you going to class our people based on Bush? In this current election, Bush actually lost. He rigged the voting machines to make kerry’s votes go down after a certain number (example: Kerry has 100 votes. but when someone votes again, it goes down to 99). Americans had to work hard to make america the country that it is now.

5. To clare:

most people were against the war in Iraq. It was our president who decided to continue with it, not ours. I think you’d like Michael Moore.

6. Why do Humans think that human life is worth more than dogs, cats, or rats (or any other species for that matter)? There’s one problem with religion: we always decide that humans are the owners of the earth, even though there are about 1,000,000 more species on this planet besides humans. And why do people argue about being american or british? we’re both human. no more, no less.

7.here would be my way of being the hegemon of the world: I’d take money from the richer countries and use them to build facilities for homeless and retirement homes, schools for children who don’t have the money to pay for education so that everyone has the opportunity to have a good job, I’d build more hospitals, and I would make basic resources like water in poorer places free, if they are not already not poor. I’d make laws against cigarettes, coccaine, weed, and tobacco, because you don’t need that, and it can kill you. I’d have laws against racism, making fun or harming someone because of their religion, or anything like that. I’d promote science and research into things that don’t waste as much resources. I’d also support recycling and the preservation of endangered animals, and I’d have severe punishments for poaching. I’d have rights for animals and humans, mostly being the same. One of my laws for animals is that they cannot be abandoned, and if you don’t want to take care of them, they have to be taken to an adoption center. Each adoption center would have to have a standard for the good well-being of the animals.

I’d promote the abolitioning of war, trying to make war through money and resources, instead of taking lives and blood. I’d outlaw nuclear bombs, bombs, missles, guns, knives, and this field. I’d promote self defense as well to be allowed to be taught in school. the minimum ammount of pay would be 15 bucks per hour. the average job would get 3 months of vacation for spending. There would be no excuses for murder for the murderer, and he/she would be sentenced to a life-time sentence in jail, or the death penalty. police would not be allowed to carry firearms. Video-games, movies, books and music would be based on intellectual age and not based on age.

8.

some college studenat

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Hey listen guys I couldn’t help but noticing you guys were debating the death penalty. I’m reaserching a paper on that subject and was hoping you guys would help me out. I need to interview as many people as I can. So if Claire of Hesh or anyone else could answer the following questions I’ll be enternally grateful (unless I forget). Make sure you put your name, occupation and gender. Ok, here goes:

1.)What are your feelings about juveniles being senteced for heinous crimes?

2.)Is there an appropriate age limit for a Junenile to be eligable fo capital punishment? Explain.

3.) What criterion should be met for a juvenile to be eligable for the death penalty.

4.)Do you think parents should be held accountable for minors crimes? If so under what circumstances? Explain.

5.) Maryland is the first state to make juveniles eligable for the death penalty. What do you think the effects will be if the rest of the country follows suit?

Please answer these by this Thursday. Thanks.

HESH

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Alright some college guy, here goes

1) I think it’s fine for juveniles to be sentenced for heinous crimes.
2)yes, because after a certain age even children know that it is not alright to kill, and realize that there are consequences for their actions
3) I think that in order for them to be eligible for the death penalty they would have to have killed someone in a particularly deplorable way.
4)No, because after a certain point parents stop being a major influence on their childrens lives, and friends and teachers start to be a larger influence.
5)I have no idea what the effects will be, i can only assume that they may go down, because, hopefully, people will start to think of the consequences of their actions if harsher punishments are enforced.

I’m Nathaniel Binneweg, im a student, and im a male.

some college student

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Thank you so much Hesh! If I can just get your age that would be perfect. Thanks again.

some college student

Clare

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HESH:

What good will killing another person do though? It just makes us as bad as them, the death sentence just keeps us held in a time where crimes were punishable by death like the dark ages or something. In the 21st century were supposed to be more advanced and therefore not have to kill people for what they do wrong.

Prison atleast gives them a second chance, which all people deserve. Prison is practically the same as taking someones life away anyway, it gives thme chance to think about what they did and repent.
I just think that the death sentence is too extreme, and also HESH if someone was mentally unstable then he should be put into a hospital for the mentally ill, as it wouldn’t be his fault techinically.

Clare

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College student:

Clare, 15, high school student,

1)I too think ity’s fine for juviniles to be sentenced for heinous crimes.
2)I don’t think any age is apropriate for the death sentence personally, It makes us as bad as them, forgiveness is the right thing to do,
3)I don’t agree with the death penalty full stop.
4)Sometimes yes they should be, if the parents ould have done more to stop the child doing the crime then yeah it’s their fault, but kids no the difference between right and wrong and have to face up to their own actions.
5)I don’t think it will stop crime to be honest theirs always gong to bad people in the world no matter what. There’ll just be less teenagers around I guess :P

HESH

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Oh, sorry college student, im 16.

Clare:
You act as if people are being sentenced to death by hanging, or being drawn and quartered, in fact they die quickly, and without pain.

Yes, in the dark ages people were killed for killing others, people still kill others, so why should murderers be spared now, when they weren’t then? Thats kinda like saying that the theory of gravity is wrong, because it’s old.

First i’d like to explain something once again, people are usually only put on death row because what they did was really bad, like they tortured people to death or the like, they dont get the death penalty for killing their husband after they find out they were having an affair. So if the people did something horrible enough to get on death row then they deserve to die for it.

Have you ever been inside a prison? It’s not really taking someones life away, they have all the comforts that i have at my house, a tv, phones, hell some even have computers, so prison isn’t really a punishment anymore. Plus i dont think that if a duranged person took away the life of a husband or father or mother that they should be living in comfort while their victims are suffering emotionally or monetarily.

Clare

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HESH:

Your saying that just because it’s not a painful death that it’s still ok? And it is painful the injection takes a few mintues for you to die and the poison slowly shuts down all your organs, sounds painful to me.

I just don’t thinking killing another person will do any good, there’s just no point. All the death sentence does is insight people to hate other people rather than try and forgive them, even if it’s hard forgiveness is the better option.
Yeah but prison keeps them of the streets so they can’t kill again and it gives them a chance to turn their life around and change. Also it’s not the same as we have it at home because we have freedom and they’ll never regain the same freedom again in their lives.
If the man was insane then it’s not his fault, he’s not acting under a sane mind and doesn’t know what he’s doing he needs help not punishment.
The death sentence doesn’t do anything for society as I doubt that it would stop murderers from killing, it didn’t in the times of the hangings so why should it now. I was comparing it to those times because it’s something savage people do, but it’s the 21st century and we know better.

Black Hydra Xc

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Death is not bad, it’s just stupid to die before you actually get to the point where you can enjoy things more. Experiences are worth having and all death does is ruin it. Suicide is not just running. It’s being a coward. Don’t kill yourself.

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You can’t exactly help it if you die, you have no choice over when you die or how. Obviously except in the case of committing suicide, which I don’t think is a cowards way out by the way.
Imagine your like that guy who got his arm caught under a big rock and couldn’t pull free, the only way to stop the pain was to cut off his own arm with a pocket knife. Imagine how much he must have been shitting himself and how much it would have hurt him but that was his only option to get out and survive.
I think suicide must be kind of like that, the only way they see to escape their pain is too take their own life, and it must be a scary, painful experience that even the bravest person would find difficult to cope with.

I don’t know, it all sounded better in my head.

Black Hydra Xc

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Yes Clare, but this is a suicide room. People want to die here and I am doing something for the purpose of common good by trying to reevaluate their decisions. I am just telling them how ridiculous death is so soon. We all die but we usually CAN change how soon we die.