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Yeah but your talking to suicidal people hear they don’t care whether you think their cowards or not, they just want to vent frustrations or get advice on how to kill themselves.

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Clare:
No im not saying that just because it’s not a painful death that it’s ok, im saying that being electicuted is much more preferable to being drawn and quartered or crucified, get it?

Yes, im sure aftering seeing a family member vicously murdered the victims relatives are all about forgiveness. People who talk about forgiveness of murders and shit usually havn’t had it happen to them, hell, i used to think like you did clare, but then my uncle got plum murdered, and i wanted them to kill the basterd, why should he live the rest of his life in jail, with free food, clothes, tv, and the like, while my aunt and her children had to take out a second mortgage on their house because the main bread winner of the house was struck down.

Sure, to you it seems like killing another person satisfies nothing, but to me it satisfied a feeling of revenge that i thought that i was entitled to.

Yes, jail gives people a chance to change, horse shit, i’ve read that most murderers or child molesters who are let out of prison commit another crime in less then 6 months of being released, and all that crap about “finding jesus” and so on is usually said just so they can get on the good side of parole boards.

And exactly what freedom is being taken away from prisoners clare? They dont have to pay taxes, go to a job (excluding cleaning highways and other jobs that inmates are subbed out to do), they get tv, computers, free food, and books to read. Oh no they cant vote, how sad for them, oh my god they cant go on a vacation, what deplorable conditions.

Alright clare, i’ll tell you the whole story of the mentally unstable man i was referring to, there was this guy living in texas, one day he went out and shot up his neighborhood, later his lawyers blamed it on some kind of mental disease he got in vietnam, problem is he was a mechanic, and he was stationed 100 miles from any major battlezone. Where he was you couldn’t even feel vibrations from artillery. Also up to that point he showed no mental instability of any kind, and in prison he was diagnosed to have no mental diseases. Still think he needs to be let off?

Yes, savages to have the death penalty, well seems to me that if there are still people who rape and kill others we could still be called savages. What exactly makes us different from the people a hundred years ago? Certainly not our physical make up, did you mean technology? Why yes, we certainly are more technologically advanced in that aspect, we now have more ways of killing each other, hurray for us, the non savages of the future with our mighty militaries and our thousands of possible mishaps that may doom the earth as we know it, arn’t we advanced?

Sorry if im a bit pissy, but im really tired and as i’ve explained before, some points in this kinda make me angry.

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are there no comments on the post I did?

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My appologies sir, i shall re read it right away.

1. Agreed
2. Never said that the proverbs were wrong, in fact i said that i had nothing against what religions teach, but when they preach that they are right and all others are wrong, i have a problem.
3. I can see your point, some things you just have to beleive are in effect even though you cant see them, like gravity and air, but the main idea of religion seems to be the irrational beleive in an all knowing, all doing being that transends time and space, while science seems to be composed of observations of our world.
4. Agreed
5. for clare
6. Agreed
7. Agreed on most point, but i wouldn’t take away drugs because even in the perfect societies described in most futuristic books, drugs are used to docile the masses, and keep people from commiting hateful acts, but other then that i agree fully.
8. Agreed on most point, disagree with war, from a strictly intellectual standpoint, war and the like is used to keep our numbers in check, so the means for war should be kept, but, i agree with taking away the nuclear bombs and such, because those can completely destroy the world.

All in all very insightful weird guy.

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HESH:

I’m really sorry to hear about your Uncle, that’s a terrible thing to happen and I now understand why you feel so strongly about the death sentence. I know that in your situation I would probably feel the same.
However, this perspective is not necessarily the correct one, do you think that your opinion could be slightly biased because of what happened to your Uncle?
Revenge is not the anwser and I’m sure you know that, it only leads to more feelings of hatred for both parties involved. The courage to forgive is far greater than weakness to condemn.
By using the death sentence we inturn bring ourselves to their level of violence, anger and hatred. It’s not for us to judge others, they have to live the rest of their lives paying for what they did, and being ridden with guilt, which will never leave them.

The murderer in Texas you described was not mental, it’s obviously just a plea bargain by his lawyers. Though if you were talking about someone who was derranged then it’s not their fault, as they can it control it. These people need our help and support not condemnation.

I agree that some prisons are giving prisoners too many luxuries, however many aren’t nice and if it were you would you rather be in or out of prison? What kind of life can they possibly have inside four walls? Many people commit suicide because they can’t stand it.

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1.death rates are lower than life rates. so war is jut a waste. the only way to stop life rates would be to (i hate this idea) spay woman, because the womb is what gives birth to babies. that would halt the growth of mankind by alot. But I hate this idea, because it is so inhumane. but then again, don’t humans spay animals? wouldn’t that be considered inhumane? Or do you think human lives are worth more than dog lives (or cats, or rats, or wolves, or birds? or any other species).

2. the bible seems bogus because there’s no dinosaurs in it. You might say, why does that matter? It matters because dinosaurs came before humans! and in genesis, it says first the animals were created, but it only lists modern ones! no dinosaurs in it at all. And death couldn’t enter the world because of humans, because dinosaurs died too.

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Weird Guy:

1) Humans spay animals because it stops them having babies that the human culdn’t look after, which I think is a lot better than letting the animal have the babies and then throw them off some bridge somewhere in bin liner. It’s painless and the animals don’t care. Whereas humans have emotional feelings attached to birth etc and so tht’s why it would be inhumane to spay women. Aswell as just plain sick.

2) Genisis was not in literary terms, so it’s not meant to be what exactly happened, it’s just telling the story of evolution in a easy but magical way. All it is really saying is that God started evolution and God will end it. The people who wrote the Bible would not know that dinosaurs existed so how could they include them?

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Agreed, animals don’t care whether or not they have babies. Sex is just kind of a natural instinct and they honestly do not understand that what they just did will give them a baby so there is no harm done.

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Exactly. Hydra, what’s your opinion on the death penalty?

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Well, I believe that some people deserve to die and some deserve to rot in prison. The death penalty is fair to those who deserve it.

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Clare:
Thank you for your concern. Yes, i am biased because of my uncles murder, just like your probly biased because of your upbringing. Right now i dont really feel like a lecture on “the courage of forgiveness” and so forth, because stuff like that is self rightous crap made up by people in order to sway others to their opinion, it’s just like calling someone to isn’t a christian a heathen.

Yes clare you may think that by using the death sentance we lower ourselves to their level of hate and so forth, but i was lowered to that level of hate the moment i found out my uncle was dead, if i could i would’ve thrown the switch to kill him myself. If it is not for us to judge others then who judges them, and dont give me that “he’s gonna go to hell for what he did” crap, because heaven and hell is stupid, if the murderer was christian he would probly have a better chance of getting into heaven then i would, so if there is a heaven or hell, i would have to share the same fate as a murderer. Where’s the justice in that? If i cant get justice in the supposed afterlife then i would want to get it now.

I doubt that most killers feel guilty about what they did, if they are heartless enough to kill another person, i doubt they have enough heart in order to care about it.

I agree that if a mentally unstable person commits murder, they should have special consideration about the punishment, but i dont think that they should return to society after they murder someone.

I would probly want to be out of prison, of course right now i dont have any adult responsibilities. They would probly have a better life in prison, because last time i read time magazine on the subject, it said that most people who are in jail are poverty striken, so what’s better, working like a dog to support your self and or your family, or living off the government, not paying taxes, and getting free food and entertainment?

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1. War would indeed be a waste if we could spay people, but since we cant and most people feel like they can have as many kids as they want, war or disease is necessary to keep our numbers in check. I dont really see what the problem with spaying women is, oh no emotional ties to birth, how horrible. What if i had emotional ties with my forskin? No one asked whether i wanted to be circumsized or not, but they did it anyway. Dotn try to throw in any of that “love” crap, love is just an invented emotion to explain our irresistable urge to breed and look after our young. We have human babies that people cant look after, so whats the problem with spaying people? Oh, and clare, some people throw their babies off of bridges, so how is that in any way different then having animal babies thrown off of a bridge?
2. Yes, yes of course the bible wasn’t written in literal terms. Horse shit, people just say that to compensate for the fact that the bible is wrong on most of the stuff it talks about. How is “and then god made the heavens and the earth” not literal? Oh i get it, it’s for me to interperet, ok, i think that means that theres a dog outside on my lawn. Hows that? Oh and clare im pretty sure that the people in the bible would know about dinosaurs, because it was proven that the last dinosaur died off at rougly the same time the roman civilization started.

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You think animals don’t care about their babies? then why do wolf mothers kill you if you get near their babies? why did my dog’s mom bark at me when I touched one of her puppies? That is a stupid thing to say. Animals do care about their babies. Hell, humans ARE animals. That’s a stupid thing to say! all animals care about their cubs. And black Hydra, what the hell? Animals don’t know?!? read the above! animals care about their babies, so that must mean that they know what sex does. And clare, that’s a stupid comment about humans are the only ones who care about their babies. like I said above, wolves will attack or KILL YOU if you try to get near their cubs.

and hesh, saying disease is like saying that the Africans might as well be the ones who keep our numbers in check. that’s cruel. Because Africa has lots of diseases, and no one ships medicine without a price, are you saying that africans are the ones who should die to keep our numbers in check?

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Not at all sir, but last i checked africa did have the most people of any other continent, but thats besides the point. Think about it, most of the diseases that africa has, parasite and the like, have been there since the beggining of time, and because of that most people have either learned to live with it, or have developed an immunity to it, and those that havn’t are destined to die because the weak and the sick always die first, whether in the animal kingdon, or our own. As for aids, that wasn’t one of our diseases, that was origianlly contracted from monkey blood when people killed monkeys, it was transferred to a person, a person had sex with another person, and so on, and because we have global travel it soon started to appear all over the world. Now do you see? Because we have global travel diseases can be spread all over the world, and the people in other countries contract them, and if they arn’t strong enough, they’ll die, hence keeping our numbers in check. Im sorry if that seems a little “cruel” but it’s the truth. And weird guy, keep in mind, sars killed lots of people in china, and fevers and colds kill lots of people worldwide, hell even hot weather can kill people.

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Africa doesn’t have the biggest population. Even if it does, it soon won’t because 4000 people die there every day or something from aids, starvation, burns, dehydration or malaria. And because some whites in power (i’m not trying to be racist) don’t want to spend money on others, they’re still dying at a fast rate to this day (I hate this because I’M black).

I feel sorry for the chinese as well. South Park made a rude joke about that when the Casino people wanted to demolish south park for a casino, and used chinese people to give carpets sars. That was rude.

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4000 people there may die everyday, but 3 people are also born ever 2 seconds there, every day. And i agree with the south park thing, that was uncalled for.

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Lmao, if you didn’t want to be insulted, then why even flip the channle to SouthPark, that’s like..contradictory, “hmm, i feel real bad for the peolpe who live in the third world countires, so i’m gunna see what south park has to say”......yeah, bad move..

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because I didn’t know that they’d do that.

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There are too many people as it is. Suicide is bad but it has positive effects as well.

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HESH:

For starters I’m not a Christian and my up-bringing was not Christian either so I wouldn’t say that I was particulary biased at all. I just think any killing is wrong, revenge doesn’t justify taking someones life away no matter what they did. And what would that do for you? The killer’s dead and you feel justice for the time being, but it doesn’t bring back the person you’ve lost in the end.

Your having a go at me for lecturing you and trying to sway your opinion etc, well then what exactly are you doing? You seem to completely dislike Christians and everything thy stand for why is that? When Christianity promotes loving one another and world peace I just wonder why people can hate it so much, ok so some people are corupted but that’s the individual not the religion.

How do you know that a killer doesn’t feel guilty? They could be regretting it their whole life. It makes no difference whether the prisoner is poor or not there still incarcerated between four walls with no fredom or rights to life.

Another thing about the death penalty is that sometimes their wrong, infact in a lot of cases their wrong, have you never heard that police forces can be corrupted too? (It’s not just the Christian community you know)
In Ireland in the 60’s the IRA set of bomb killing 12 people, police arrested 6 men on a train, because they couldn’t be bothered to find the real killers. Those men were all killed. It’s not the first time that that’s happened and it definately wont be the last.

Not all of the Bible is literal and yes you are meant to interpret it, but obviosuly your going to think like that because you seem to have a big problm with all Christian views at the mintue don’t you.
And about the spaying thing, are you sick? Women have a natural instinct to be mothers and have children, so of course there’s going to be emotional ties, men get all pissed of when they can’t be all fucking macho and shit just think what women would be like if they couldn’t have children. Do you honestly have emotional ties to your foreskin? As much as a women has emotonal ties to her baby? No, I didn’t think so.
I’m going to ignore the “love” crap,invention part as I think you know that’s not true.

Weird Guy:
Of course animals have emotional attachments to their children just like humans, but they don’t have the same need and want to have children as humans do. Animals can go through life without having and babies and it wouldn’t bother them. If a women had to deal with that it can cause her severe depression. That was all I was meaning.

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Clare, just to let you know out of kindness, your statements are a bit too long. I would shorten them down so people will read them.